Black Ice building still too cheap and also what about Temp?

Are we ever going to get a temperature pass again on building materials as now the temp seems like nothing as does the weather. All you see now is B I Buildings as they are still easier and their is no reason not to build them aside from looks.

It also doesn’t make sense to have it in hot or warm areas as it should overheat anyone inside or around it.

If you have 2 supermarkets in your town and supermarket B offers better looking milk bottles, but is 5km further away than supermarket A, will you ever go to supermarket B?

If you really insist on better looks, you will go to B, but if you don’t care, A will always be the option.

Eventually, people living in the same house like you that always take supermarket A will be more efficient.

And here we go again. You see nerf only as destruction of items. Stop thinking like that.

On EL black ice is really not hard to get. Usually 1 trip to the frost temple and you are set for your base.

What about introducing black ice bricks, that need to be crafted from 10 (5? 2? 1?) BI and 1 stone consolidant.

Hardened bricks are basically the same, just 1 more transformation step (10 Stone → 1 Brick → 1 Hardened Brick). That’s fine since you need to convert wood into dry wood first for insulated wood. This would even out the process of creating T3 building pieces, if the crafting times are about the same.

We had this discussion in the past already. FC already increased the BI amount needed per building piece. They also tried to put oil into the BI building piece crafting process but made a mistake with the progression system, which made them revert this change again.

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I’m not one to agree with nerfs, matter of fact I hate them but in this instance I agree. Every other t3 requires farming stone, cooking to brick, farming resin and plant fibre to make consolidant than cooking to hardened brick. While this in itself is not a difficult process why go to the effort of 5 steps when you whack a node with a pick and get black ice. It’s defiantly unbalanced and should be looked at imo.

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Their called opinions. You have yours I have mine :man_shrugging:

The option to have a cheap t3 building, especially in pvp is, well, cheap. The step from t2 to t3 should be meaningful. Hardened brick is not required for any t2 buildings but insulated wood is. Black ice buildings should be t2. Change steel reinforcement to iron reinforcement and it’s much more balanced and starts to make sense.

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For one T3 stone foundation you need 15 hardened bricks, which are 150 stone and a crafting time of 6:15 minutes in total. Add 4 shaped wood (thats 40 wood with 40 seconds crafting time). Steel reinforcements are used the same amount for both BI and T3 stone.

For one T3 black ice foundation you need 15 black ice and 6 insulated wood, which has a total crafting time of 240 seconds.

So in total you need 8:15 minutes for a T3 stone foundation vs 4 minutes for a black ice foundation (without the craft time needed for steel reinforcements, since the same amount is used for both).

8:15 is obviously a higher number than 4:00

Add this up if you need at least 5000 foundation for a decent PvP base (dagons embrace/watchers).

Lol dude. He is explaining why it’s unbalanced not that time is an issue :man_facepalming: Why can’t ppl just agree to disagree in here instead of trying to force issues to try and sway opinions. If you don’t agree you don’t have to let the devs decide.

5k foundations don’t include any landclaim spam. You need WAY more then.

How do you suggest they buff?? Make them t4?

He did. Your the one stepping in trying to answer for them.

He asked for a nerf. Let the devs decide to either nerf, buff or do absolutely nothing instead of trying to change opinions. I won’t take issue with any of the above options. I see an obvious imbalance as obviously do others. Asking for weapon nerfs is largely unnecessary as you can always find work arounds. Imbalances in the building system have ZERO workarounds.

And you will still have your “options” no matter what they decide. If they nerf you can choose your easy option and have a t2 black ice building or take the harder option and go with a t3 requiring many more steps, time and effort.

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Well you could try to RNG farm hardened bricks from NPCs :joy: :joy: :joy:
(just kidding)

If you would buff normal stone T3 you need to be careful what you buff. Make hardened brick cheaper?
Think about ALL the recipes here: Hardened Brick - Official Conan Exiles Wiki

Make shaped wood cheaper? Same, go here again: Shaped Wood - Official Conan Exiles Wiki

Make it a T4 with more building HP? This would make it OP compared to black ice then. Nobody would build in BI anymore.

So what other options do you have when you want to BALANCE and keep the effort low? Nerfing.

In case of nerf by adding a new resource (black ice bricks), you can’t do much wrong, because you won’t touch any existing recipes.

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And you are not part of it?

All I see from you is only “no nerf, nerf is bad, nerf is the end of the world” blabla.

There is not a single attempt from you (from what I’ve seen so far) of bringing a good suggestion on how to balance something by buffing. It was either too vague or useless.

I completly understand that. When a PvPer asks for a nerf, something is not right. “Nerf” basically means in other words: “Hey, this item/mechanic/whatever is not balanced!”

Nerf can also mean: rework. Because when you rework an item, you (hopefully) make it more balanced. So if it gets reworked because it was too strong, it was automatically nerfed.

Funcom needs to investigate these issue. Then they can gather feedback from the players. YOU are one of these. But eventually it is up to Funcom what will be done to the item/ingame mechanic/whatever. So if something got nerfed into oblivion, you should blame Funcom, not the PvP players who only state that something is/might be wrong.

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We ask for change because it matters in pvp. Your buildings hp and how quickly you can spam it doesn’t matter a bit in any other server type. I play both so can see the issue. Your tired of pvp players asking for change? I’m tired of pve players that whine about change that won’t affect them in the least. It’s a two way street.

Yes, this is correct. Eventually balancing is a mix of nerf/buff/rework and ofc bug fixing.

But sometimes it’s too time consuming to do buffs/reworks or fixing specific bugs, so a nerf is a quick, but temporary solution. You need to understand, developers don’t have all the time they need. There are deadlines for other features as well.

Remember Battle Standards? They were abused in PvP to prevent bomb placement. So instead of fixing the bug, they removed them completly from PvP, because of no time.

Let us not nerf black ice… LETS NERF BOMBS AND RAIDING MATS we need prepared bombs man the kind where 3 or 4 could take down a black ice base… not bombs where 2 are needed for sandstone