Game mode: Single-player
Type of issue: Bug
Server type: PvE
Region: NA
Blunted arrows are downright deadly to NPCs, especially when fully charged. Even with the weakest bows, the arrows are very likely going to kill an NPC before they can be knocked out proper. This is even worse with the stronger variants, killing any non-named NPC in 2 or 3 shots. Tested this several times with northern area NPCs.
Have you tried blunting your bow?
If youâve put points into accuracy, itâs pretty much a given. Even with the lowest quality bow, advanced blunt mod, and blunted arrows, you still deal too much damage.
If you donât level accuracy, it doesnât seem to be much of an issue.
Yes, they may be, especially in singleplayer when you spawn in blunted arrows, and use them on low tier thralls, theyâre deadly i agree.
But when you take a look at what level you can learn these arrows, mostly you try catch then way highter thralls. Also take a low tier bow, put some blunted mod on it. Then never ever power shoot, and donât aim the head. Aim the body, the legs, mostly 1-3 arrows a pretty enough.
But theyâre working well, but only on higher level tier thralls. 
@ShadowAimai
But in general he is right.
The Blunted Arrows (ID: 51103) seems to deal way more than the stated 1 Health damage.
Test setup:
As Level 1 without any attributes skilled and just a simple Hunting Bow (ID: 51401)
Without using power shots and just body hits.
The Exile NPC is close to death but only 50% unconscious.
Greetings
SirBowen
Blunted Arrows are useless without Blunted detail on the bow. Even Truncheons give too low blunt damage by themselves (and too much ordinary damage if you have extra points in Strength). Iâd like this to be fixed by adding a bit of blunt damage to those weapons.
Hey @ShadowAimai
Thanks for the heads-up, weâll send it to our team so they can look into it and thereâs any irregularity.
Also, happy birthday @SirBowen
See what kind of npc you show, exile I, sure a low level.
Yes, theyâre mostly deadly in this case. But mostly when players are hunting these kind of thralls here, theyâre not able to craft blunted arrows.
And if you try on highter, they work fine, still itâs an arrow, not a truncheon.
But i knock you the captain out in 2-3 arrows in Sepermeru, and the highter thralls everywhere.
Still, iâm not against lowering the damage on health they do, itâs not the goal of these arrows. Just should be keep in mind that weâre still using a bow, and arrows to knock out people, and that may still harm bit.
What they said, Make a crap bow with low damage + blunt fitted mod on it + blunt arrows.
Even on 1/5str, 4/5 Acc archery stat build, its fairly deadly if you do head shots, but works decent on body shots.
If your using 22 damage bow with blunt arrows and acc stats. You base damage is just to high.
Bows are not just âArrow damageâ There Stat + bow + Arrow. There more going on here then using a truncheon.
Like said above, i use them for hight tier thralls with lot HP.
I agree they make more damage than a truncheon. But i donât use them for all and all the time, but for special cases, where they come very handy.
But yes, maybe lower again bit the damage they do. They shouldnât become nor the easy take out in all case for all thralls.
Concur. I have found there are very few, even Lemurian golds, that I can knock out before killing them.
I will try again, in Sepermeru, where there are more hitpoints to the target, but the simple fact remains âŠ
If health is reduced faster than the knockout bar, the target will die.
As pertinent information, my accuracy is 20, the second perk. I reduced it from 40, wanting âCrevice in the armorâ which, according to the description also applies to melee weapons.
To be continued âŠ
Regards
jim
In our community we go over this issue sometimes with players who ask. Tested it over with several players. It isnât about the arrows at all, itâs about the weapon (which has damage), the weapon fittings (which adds stats such as damage/armor penetration/blunt/etc), your stats (points I accuracy) and any stats an enemy has. Use a bow with the lowest stats possible (such as wood bow), add blunt weapon fittings, no accuracy points on your character and use the blunt arrows. This will give you around the same effectiveness as a steel truncheon with the blunted weapon fitting but youâre mobile and out of armâs reach from melee. Good luck!
Like said, i use them on highter thralls, Sepermeru and up.
I tried them also first on lower thralls, like the exiles the long the river, blackhands and such, sure you may kill them quickly in some few shoots. So there mostly a trunchoen is better.
But for highter thralls, especially if you want take one out of many, it can be handy, especially if you like play solo like me.
Sure, for people making community thralls hunts, they will never know the same problems than a lonely player.
I use a regular hunting bow with Advanced Blunted fitting with 0 Accuracy, and I barely manage to KO Lemurian T4 archers without killing them. It feels silly that the better archer you are, the worse archer you become.
It shouldnât be too easy to KO thralls at range, Iâm sure we all agree on that. But the right solution isnât to make them die too easily.
@Kapoteeni, I want to take what @Vattende said and try Sepermeru. I now have a small setup there and can single out a gold using buildings as protection. Unfortunately, I have 20 in accuracy and will not give that up when a thrall and a bat will do the same.
There is quite a difference between 7400 and 2700 HP, but again, if the rate of health damage exceeds the rate of KO effect, it may as well be 1m HP; the result will be the same.
Still, I am intrigued.
Will let you know how it goes.
Regards
jim
Stay bit away, on a roof or so, and hit them only at legs, never the head.
Few arrows should be enough .
Often i use a second bow with hight tier arrows to kill the unwanted, and make my selection.
You can climb the wooden outer wall at Asagarth and stand on top of the catwalk. There are some golds you can easily target, like Janos*. With no ACC points I used the top blunt on a scrounged Hyrkanian Bow. It took 12 power shots plus 5 or 6 standard shots to subdue him. His health bar ended up depleted by about 1/6, which is a loss of about 850 HP.
* May not be Janos, could be the V guy.
I must chime in here again due to experiences in the Pagoda.
I can use blunt arrows in a hunting bow with a blunt attachment and 20 accuracy to knock out a T3, T2 and a T1.
The same setup kills a T4.
Something is bassackwards.
Itâs like the knockout to health damage ratio is inverted by level.
Quite repeatable, give it a try.
Regards
jim
If you have any points in the Accuracy perk, you are likely adding more damage to your weapon without intending to. Points in accuracy determine the damage you do with ranged weapons. You compound this with things like potions, weapon fittings, better weapons, better ammo (arrows in this case), etc. So: use the worst possible bow as a knock out bow. Just a wooden bow is excellent. Wipe all of your accuracy points off, those will add damage and you donât want that. Head shots on enemies do the most damage, followed by torso so aim for their fingers and toes.
We have tested this in LNDN, youâre welcome to join us.
I fully agree with everything you just said, and I appreciate the advice, and am honoured at the invitation
My point, however, was that T1-T3s will succumb to a knockout before death. T4s will not.
Is this design? Is there an inherent resistance to knockout that increases with level? Max health does.
I ponder.
Regards
jim
Edit PS: Yes, I intended to increase the damage through attributes since KOing thralls is a small part of what I do with a bow
