So you DO want to rent a server and then charge for it. That’s extra no, I can guarantee every server you rent will have in their terms of use that you can not do that and for good reason.
If you want to set this up as a way of making money solely, I have a better suggestion for you:
Get a job.
Everything you said is offtopic.
That’s not how forums work chief. You post on an open forum and you get open forum responses
Funcom might have rules in place about monetized servers, which is why I said that.
And, Im basing that off when I ran a server in Arma 3. We had to contact Bohemia and fill out an application for monetization explaining what we were doing, amounts that would be paid, what people got for paying etc. Then it had to get approved. Keep in mind, this was solely for donations, not actually paying to play on it…which is why I said he should be contacting Funcom because we all have different opinions on this and wont solve it for him.
Not really. He is selling their bread (70 loafs), but offering guaranteed loaf if you are club member of the store. You still have to buy the bread (own a copy of the game). The mods would be jelly, peanut butter, etc he makes and wants to sell for your loaf.
I’m going to play devil’s advocate here. But back in the past there was a server in Everquest, Stormhammer I believe. Where you had to pay an extra $15 a month (on top of the normal sub) to play there. There was benefits to playing there. Items not normally available. Frequent GM events. And the biggest one was the exclusivity.
Its like fine dining. Sure you can get a steak at Logan’s for like 12 bucks. But then you’re sitting with all the other riff raff. Some people like to pay a bit more to avoid that.
Now personally, I’m not above paying to play on a server like that. Even a Conan Exiles one. However, the perks and the experience better match the cost involved. I don’t believe or I should say I doubt the OP can provide such an experience.
The reason for this is like you and others have stated. You can go to any number of free servers who offer really great experiences, full time admins, events, and custom mods.
Thanks for the experience representation
Morally? Idk, if people know there’s a fee and are willing to pay for it, then I don’t see anything immoral about it.
Legally? I agree with others who say you need to talk to Funcom directly. I’d imagine this all falls under corporate law, not state law. So if FC says it’s okay, then you’re good to go.
Personally? After 7 years of paying to play WoW, I’ve had it with monthly fees to play a game. CE has tons of free servers and I enjoy SP mode. I can’t imagine what you’d offer that was worth a monthly fee when the mods that are free are so varied and high quality.
But good luck to you.
I am making a server with admin cities and admin houses to build up by player inside them. Admin just build wall and roofs (outside), except admin and government buildings, but there is plain ground texture inside a house, it is supposed that a user would build inside. But I set LandClaimRadiusMultiplier=0.010000 , but It doesn’t work properly. The game doesn’t allow to just build anywhere inside a house, a player can build foundaments in some places inside admin house, not everywhere inside. Game doesn’t allow to reduce LandClaimRadiusMultiplie to less than 0.010000, I tried to set 0.001000 and 0.00000, and all map was claimed by admin.
And if some programmer would make a mod to fix it, my idea would work.
Imagine big cities like in the Skyrim game, and you can take 1 house in this big city. And whole city will be full of the other gamers. It was my dreams when I was played Gothica and Skyrim.
It takes a lot of work to build and manage it, so I want to maintain my idea with payments. All good ideas should be maintained with payments. No one judge Adobe company with their high prices of subsciprtions.
I’m not entirely sure, but I think the issue might not be resolvable by a mod. Another modder who’s handled building restrictions can probably chime in if this is available to be changed in a blueprint or if it is C++. If its the latter, its hands off.
You JUST came into my discord, asking me to make you a free mod. And now I find out that you are going to use my mods, and others, to make a profit off of.
This is the statement in the vast majority of discords that we have posted. THIS right here, is why Mod creators need a black list feature to prevent people from using our mods.
Statement on Servers Selling Virtual Items
• We do not support nor endorse servers/owners/admins who choose to sell the ‘virtual items’ of any mods found on this discord on any server for real life currency. In the event that there is ‘legal tender’ aka real life money exchanged for any virtual item that pertains to our mods is by doing so at their own risk and at no time will we be responsible for any involvement with these transactions.
• We will never ask or request any ‘legal tender’ for use of the mods’ contents. We are here to provide server communities with FREE content to use for your Conan gaming experience.
• We do not favor one server over another and will always treat every community member with the same respect as others. We will never request sensitive information or passwords from anyone. The intent of the modded content is not to be placed behind any kind of pay wall or real life currency exchange system (i.e. blocking the content in game and selling the virtual items on a website).
• Please note that this does not mean the same thing as those servers who accept donations to support their communities to help cover their costs and offer the ‘virtual items’ as a gift.
First problem, you done ticked off @Multigun. Bad move. He’s awesome, and among the best modders in Conan and most helpful people on the forums. And I consider him a buddy.
Second problem, and this comes from someone who really doesn’t know much at all about computers. But I have to believe that a huge city like that and every player living in the same area is going to cause massive lag in that area.
Third problem, with taming pens, stables, crafting stations, etc., I can’t imagine people managing to have everything they need in one house.
Not saying what you’re doing is wrong or stupid, just pointing out some issues I see. But ticking off Multigun was wrong.
Short answer: NO
I rarely read or post in these forums. As a modder I agree 100% with Multigun’s post. OP has already stated that they wish to monetize their server “I need money to support my family…” that is income, well beyond anything needed to cover the cost or server or reasonable effort adminning said server. You are on thin ice.
Further you alread quoted Funcom’s policy
Conan Exiles Terms of use said:
Blockquote
You will not:
(a) distribute or sell the Software or access to the Software;
(b) use the Software to develop another product (other than a free mod) or service (see clause “iii” above)
Clause (a) there says you cannot sell access to the software. Fee to play on server is pay walling access to the software. Some servers get around this with donations, players who feel they want to support the server and admin team may CHOOSE to donate money in quantities of their choosing. This is acceptable. Some servers choose to offer specific rewards in exchange for higher donation values. This is technically acceptable, but ethically low. And in line with Multigun’s statement regarding paywall on other modder’s work it IS unethical.
OP seems to want to leverage mods freely offered (LBPR) to enhance and more importantly solve one of their challenges (cool player housing.) So they want an unpaid modder to solve their issue for a cool feature unique to their server so they can monetize. Gross. Moreover if Multigun solves public housing in CE, then it will be free to all and not exclusive to OP’s server!
Your business model and service offering at the moment is little more than smoke. Your verbal contortions are little more than mirrors. You offer promises and want people to pay you and your family and unnamed devs a living wage for something that does not exist.
Take a look at the top 20 most popular mods on Steam for Conan Exiles. DO NOT USE ANY OF THEM ON YOUR SERVER. Nor any mods from those authors that may be below top 20. Just about every one of those authors shares Multigun’s condemnation of those who would leach and seek to profit off of what we offered freely to the community.
How about selling password access or in another way, selling password keys ?
technically it is mot acces to the software. The players are paying to be on his hosted server. The services he provides is what they pay for. if they can use these mods he wants to make anywhere, then he is not blocking anything. He seems to he wanting to sell only guaranteed login access. That is a service. Nothing different than having a password server where only donors (not necessarily monotary) get the password.
Now, since the op is already trying to get free mods made, I believe this is all " lottery dreaming" by them and will never get to the point of it getting on a govt, tax or corporate lawyers radar.
So final answer, yes you can sell guaranteed access to your server. Profit will dictate what legalities you have to worry about, as well as whatever tax and employer rules that may come up based in your local/country government.
You cannot make a lod and sell it (pay for the download).
You cannot provide access to CE if the player does not already own the game themselves.
It doesn’t take alot of work to do that. I know, I admined on a server that provided that for free. Just a FYI, not many players are interested in what you’re dreaming of. They want their own towns, not someone else’s.
Oh they do, and I’m not going to mention what is done about it on these forums. Let’s just say Gabe Newell has a famous quote on the subject and leave it at that.
But as Multigun has pulled consent for using his mods in such a way, its safe to say others will do the same. Which is going to highly limit the functionality you’re going to be able to provide, so expect to have deep pockets trying to find a modder to give you a fraction of the functionality a typical private server has. Which will also limit the number of players wanting to play there.
You are treading on very touchy ground in the community. You’re already heavily disliked by modders and players.
Even assuming you are correct (I am not a lawyer and will not argue that point further) Whitelisting makes it possible to access the server, it does not equal guaranteed access to server unless OP limits the number of ‘paying members’ to the player slots of their server. 70 slot server = max 70 paying members.
If there are 71 paying members who all want to play at the same time one of them will lose out. Not guaranteed access.
OP could potentially guarantee access if he has the capability to spontaneously spin up additional servers on demand to fulfill that 71st member; though sadly they will be playing alone. That could be solved by setting up server transfer between these multiple servers, but that currently requires yet another free mod.
OP wants to charge for membership to their server and states that member fees will pay for dev work to make this awesome experience. Will OP be paying all mod authors for all mods they use on their server(s)?
If those mod authors issue ‘cease and desist’ as Multigun has publicly posted regarding his mods, will OP respect that cease and desist and remove those mods from their servers?
Devil’s Advocate, but just take a gander at FFXIV right now.
He’s requested mods to be made pro bono, so no.
I doubt it.
exactly my point. The op seems to be stating the guarantee as the selling point. Again doesn’t seem like a business plan I would 8nvest in. But smart and legal are 2 different things. And, the whole paying to develope mods is where I keep saying it becomes a company and not just a solo venture. All that leads to the “lottery wish” or fantasy aspect. I think 99% of us agree it is a doa idea to make money. That doesn’t make it illegal…which is what they are asking.
Since we’re playing armchair lawyers here, let’s point out again that charging for server access seems to fall under the part that says you will not “use the Software to develop another product (other than a free mod) or service”. Specifically, the “or service” part.