Female body forms

I disagree because of the nature of art is to influence other people. It’s expression, is it not? And therefore has a goal of influencing people. That’s like saying no one is responsible for the word vomit that comes out of their mouths because of free speech. That isn’t true. Yes you can speak your mind but you will be help accountable to what you say. The same accountability should be applied to what an artist does since it’s also expression.

I have always said freedom comes with responsibilities. If you divorce these two concepts then regulation is the only way to maintain order.

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That is higly debatable.

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The essence of art is the creation of a parallel reality, an illusory world in which a person could relax, have fun and escape from the cruel reality.
Actually, this is the goal of all human spiritual culture. Psychotherapy, medicine, mental drug.

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His gym records included a 545 lbs squat, a 500 lbs bench press, and a 710 lbs deadlift . He also drove tanks in the Austrian Army circa 1965

Artistic expression should not be repressed for any reason. Period.

The responsibility for the consequences derived from consuming media rests entirely on the individual. Not the artist.

I’ve got the scars to prove my conviction on this as I do wholeheartedly believe in the expression of freedom of speech when it comes to artistic expression. I took my oath extremely seriously.

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… And let your mind fly!!!

This :point_up_2:. Art is indeed the best form of speech freedom!

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No one is saying repressing. Being responsible is not the same thing as being censored. My argument is that if you aren’t responsible then you are forcing your art to be censored.

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Look at where most regulation has entered into the fray of freedoms. Its when folks are profiting against the health of the public when regulation hits. The robber barons didn’t want the responsibility of ensuring children labor wasn’t done and we got hit with regulation. The snake oil salesmen didn’t want the responsibility of ensuring their products work and we got the FDA. These were all freedoms that were squashed because some people believed the freedoms were absolute and couldn’t be questioned. Well…guess what?

Then no censorship and no responsibility. Full creative freedom of expression.

Look elsewhere when looking for something to take the blame for shortcomings. The artists are to be left out of that entirely.

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For some people, what you just wrote is complete anathema, @Taemien .
You would put out of job every agency officer of liaison for entertainment. :smile:Controlling the culture and art through funding is common place since the end of WW2, even prior to that deppending on where we’re talking. It’s a soft form of censorship, obviously.

Maybe some barbarians did look like these Olympic women, but I doubt that was the case for most of them. As far as I am concerned, I think the current characters are already in good shape, showing lines of muscles (being “dry”, if that term makes sense in English too).
I wish for more diversity like, having the choice to be fat and still be a warrior.
All we know when we start the game, is the deeds we are accused of. But it would be weird if all people falsely accused were only well shaped. So as long as the game does not specify it, an option for bodies which are not “fit” would be nice too.

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Nothing beats the nightmare creations from Elder Scrolls Oblivion. Nothing!

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Point of order, have you seen the thread requesting the Nemedian Knight outfit?

This one would say that requests for comprehensive outfits and armours runs fairly strong in the race with calls for banana hammocks and leotards.
The question may be what is concordant with the genre.
Sword and Sorcery has room for fully functional and fully covering attire as much as it does metallic lingerie and fur trimmed negligees.
This one thinks the only thing not seriously and regularly requested is modern suits and power armour.
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As for fat = physical fail…
This one is both old and fat.
As was previously noted, most power lifters fall into categories that the casual observer may call obese.
Further, this one routinely takes treks of a dozen kilometers across uneven terrain, rock climbs (and yes, the gut does make climbing more of a challenge, no falsehood there, but not having any real upper body strength or general endurance is probably a worse impediment, based on all the bean poles that go to ground in the local training areas), and will still put most of the pups on their fourth point of contact when we get to have HEMA events, whether thru skill or endurance in armour. Being a life long uggo, this one has frequently had the pleasure of performing amateur dentistry on those who mistake stocky for soft. It’s a misconception that should be beaten out of those spewing it at every opportunity.
Moving along, the level of dehydration required for extreme definition is hilarious… but possibly accurate for being left out in the dessert for awhile… and by the way, Liver King lied, he was on PEDs, lots of PEDs, that’s not the natty body type. Which is a shame, because his “Ancestral Tenets” are generally quite solid, but that’s another rant.
Fat comes in two varieties, and they are not the same. Brown fat vs white fat is a distinction more basic health and fitness classes should teach. Especially in cold climates, that brown fat is fundamental, without it, pre-modern accomodations are going to suck.

But none of that matters, because this game is set in make believe mytho-history, not in our own time and place. There are clucking bat demons airlifting worshippers of a giant snake that also sponsors literal giants who enslaved human refugees (lead by a sorceress queen) using a magical shock fence that doubles as a universal translator. There is a tundra less than a day’s walk from tropical coast line. Let’s not even touch on how everyone summoned via surge on Siptah sticks a standing landing at hundreds of yards freefalling…
This is Sword and Sorcery flavoured Bizarro World.
But it does have some internal consistency. Or rather, canon lore laid out by R.E. Howard.
With most people agreeing that Frank Frazetta captured the aesthetic… or do they?

Quick aside, yay or nay, did Frank Frazetta captured the aesthetic? This one is extremely curious about people’s thoughts on the matter. What artistic style one imagines for this (low) fantasy genre will help this one understand what informs people’s expectations of the setting and it’s inhabitants.

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[I was rather hoping this thread would have been taken down by now. But if they are determined to let it ride I will say my peace.]

Erjoh you are being disengenuous. This thread was just you getting on your soapbox and virtue signalling. You have hammered a sign into the ground broadcasting your own ideological leanings, and then propogated an in-group out-group mentality, before finally demarcating the community using the us versus them narrative. This is about you trying to pat yourself on the back and check a box.

In one breath you have said that we need more ‘diverse’ customization options, then in the next you are advocating that others are harmful to the wellbeing of others and have proclaimed them unsuitable for the wider population. So in other words you want options which resonate and align with your personal tastes and preferences and standards added, but of course those that do not align with your personal preferences are argued to be harmful to others and should be omitted from gaming. You are so full of yourself. You may be requesting more customization options in the background, but you are packaging it with your own agenda and biases.

You want more customization options…!? Fine. I am 100%, unequivocally fine with adding a butt slider and more voluptuous/plus size body types. But do not sit here and be a lobbyist for what options should and should not be included in game customization for the whole population. Play the game the way you want to play and let others play the game the way they want to play.

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Well, considering Tyros is a cheap knockoff of Gath of Baal, I’m going to say yes to Frazetta nailing it.

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Why no Captain Phasma gif ? Gwendolyn played her as well.

Hulk now sad! :cry:

By the way, why is this topic called “Female body forms”?
What about “Male” body form acceptance? :grinning:

I agree that the topic of thralls’ chest bugs was related to women, but Conan Exiles treats the women and men’s bodies the same regarding the diversity of shapes. We should not forget our follow men!

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Why? It’s one of the most popular threads on the board, deals with issues of gender stereotypes in gaming and has been a lively discussion all around. But I’m glad you decided to join in

Post the examples please. Show me where I am remotely showing I’m just a better person for thinking in these terms or pushing a political ideology? Hell name the political ideology that pushes personal responsibilities must accompany freedoms and if doesn’t the freedoms are doomed to be limited . I haven’t seen one that does this but itching to find where I can find like minded folks that believe social good comes from individual efforts filed by a personal conscience. You say I’m pushing my own personal beliefs and well …yeah in some sense I am because that is what we all do every time we get on a keyboard and come here. I’m throwing out a larger topic that I believe needs some discussion that involves gaming and specifically this game. Over 140 posts later and still strong, I would say most people agree it needs discussion. I

Yes to the first and no to the second. I’m not saying others are harmful. I’m saying that our freedoms come with a responsibilities to confirm they do no harm to the general public and yes that includes promoting gender stereotypes. And this is what is getting people bent out of shape. Here is the thing, show me where I say they need to get into trouble. I say accountability but I’m not talking regulations. In fact I, personally, find the public sector as the worst mitigator of anything moral due to the level of corruption and ot bias that plays into it. No matter what country, no matter what style of government, those that govern are not in sync with the governed and so they will always miss the mark. However I do express the warning that if you don’t take the responsibility of action, and the outcry is sufficient enough, that public sector will act.

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Reminds me of an article from a few years ago about Ubisoft changing one character in AC Valhalla to be ‘more inclusive’ because one person who didn’t even play the game complained on behalf of their friend (friend loved the game and had zero issues with the character). Ubisoft changed the character, person that filled the complaint lorded it all over social media, didn’t purchase or play the game after the update either.

The male animation is like an awkward linebacker, not the described “panther” of the stories… a complaint of mine

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