Fix Katanas (Special attacks)

VYDR-VSR · 2022-11-07T21:53:42.565Z

There was a thread started by SirDaveWolf on this very topic a little while ago (maybe a month), alas my forum-fu is feeble and I cannot find it to link it. One thing I recall was some delving in the dev kit (probably by Xevyr) turned up that the katana finisher is multiple hits and so it doesn’t get stopped by steel thewed.

erjoh · 2022-11-07T22:16:37.696Z

Thing is that the katana always had this. It’s a hard one to set up since the weapon is clearly a katana and so you roll out when you see that special move gets activated. In PVE, it really shines because AI is dumb but when you get more familiar with the move set, there are glaring weaknesses to it.

I think what makes the katana stronger in 3.0 is that it’s an agility weapon and the level 15 agility perk means you can stack attacks faster than others can. Maybe switch it to strength and move spear to agility?

SirDaveWolf · 2022-11-07T22:51:49.597Z

erjoh:

Thing is that the katana always had this.

Drawbridges were in the game like this for 4 years. They changed them after 4 years because they realised how OP they were HP wise.

Horses were 2 years too strong. They fixed them after 2 years.

It is pretty common that Funcom does not see these things by themselves. So players need to point that out.

erjoh · 2022-11-07T22:54:47.723Z

yeah good point.

What I think would be good is to quicken the heavy attacks somewhat and turn special into a block.

SirDaveWolf · 2022-11-07T23:00:08.692Z

erjoh:

What I think would be good is to quicken the heavy attacks somewhat and turn special into a block.

It would be enough if you could just stagger them out of the charge attack.

SirDaveWolf · 2022-11-07T23:26:26.313Z

Here you go:

Katana does too much damage Feedback

The dash of the katana can do more than 700 damage in “1 hit”. Actually those are multiple hits. You basically start chaining with 3 light attacks and then perform a dash with the offhand key. If you hit your enemy, you have a high chance of killing them in 1 blow. My proposition here is to remove the high damage from the dash, make the dash quicker to perform and do normal damage and also allow it to cripple and apply bleed. Here are some video examples: 20 Vitality with Redeemed Legion Hea…

VYDR-VSR · 2022-11-07T23:35:54.231Z

Thank you Sir! I was a little hesitant to @SirDaveWolf you but it seems to have worked out.

demonado · 2022-11-08T07:07:02.266Z

What players want:

Katana does too much damage

My proposition here is to remove the high damage from the dash, make the dash quicker to perform and do normal damage and also allow it to cripple and apply bleed.

What FC is probably gonna do:
Nerf it to oblivion like Crom Sword.

SirDaveWolf · 2022-11-08T08:38:56.350Z

They seem to be unable to do proper balance changes. The only thing they seem to know is: “nerf into the ground”:

rolee9309 · 2022-11-08T10:39:07.311Z

I would leave the special attack as it is - an attack. But the multiple hits is kind of weird.
If you think, ingame you dash through an enemy, as opposed to attacks that hit the enemy in one relative small area, so the multiple hits make sense.
But logically (IRL) you just can’t dash through something without slicing it into two. And enemies don’t fall apart when you do so in Conan. But it is a game, does not have to be over-realistic.
Plus balace-wise it is on the little too much side despite the fact that in my opinion it makes sense to having multiple hits with that attack. Does so much damage, I killed a croc world boss with 5 combo. Kind of reminds me the choo choo veterinarian which has a crippling shouting and a fire beam out of its hand and both of them is capable of taking world bosses’ HP by 25% in one attack. (I hope FC will not remove these two attacks, because they can be easily interrupted and have a pretty long prep-time.)

SirDaveWolf · 2022-11-08T10:50:29.168Z

rolee9309:

But logically (IRL) you just can’t dash through something without slicing it into two. And enemies don’t fall apart when you do so in Conan.

IRL you can’t just dash FROM A STANDING POSITION. It is physically IMPOSSIBLE.

SirDaveWolf · 2022-11-08T11:02:37.629Z

Testlive Update Age of Sorcery: Chapter 2 (2022.11.08) - Head Hunting, Pet rebalance and more!

Fixed an issue that caused the katana dash attack to hit multiple times in certain situations.

Xevyr · 2022-11-08T11:15:46.364Z

Hahaha!! Don’t let the wording fool you on that one.
There’s 2 possibilities They either “fixed” the part that they did intentionally and made the dash identical to the regular one: aka. nerfed the weapon to the ground
Or: They actually took the time to rework it and “fixed” the multiple hits they did intentionally, but at least compensated for it from the multiplier

SirDaveWolf · 2022-11-08T12:10:26.193Z

Only the dash (after 3 light attacks obviously)

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Xevyr · 2022-11-08T12:13:02.524Z

So it’s the second version then? Hmm…

SirDaveWolf · 2022-11-08T12:14:44.616Z

As reference:

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erjoh · 2022-11-08T12:30:04.794Z

Well I’m doing near 1k on red mom with full charge with 4L,1S About 800 or so on guard of flame for immediate 3L,1S.

rmetal · 2022-11-08T12:30:24.715Z

“dash” is that running during the attack or some other movement?
So 3 light attacks then run while attacking?

Xevyr · 2022-11-08T12:32:44.861Z

Oh, so you’re just using a pretty OP katana and essentially it’s the first version then.
Anyway, I can now store my useless katana in my useless white tiger while farming armor for the zombies

erjoh:

Well I’m doing near 1k on red mom with full charge with 4L,1S About 800 or so on guard of flame for immediate 3L,1S.

If you’re doing that on testlive then maybe they did change the charge-up curve or the multiplier to compensate - Your post appeared while making mine

rmetal:

“dash” is that running during the attack or some other movement?
So 3 light attacks then run while attacking?

It’s the one you can charge up by holding the block key and then attacking while holding it

SirDaveWolf · 2022-11-08T12:36:36.455Z

Xevyr:

Oh, so you’re just using a pretty OP katana and essentially it’s the first version then.

It’s a normal star metal one with master kit and bladesmith craft.

And this dude has 0 armor