Yes, And this was one of the single stupidest and alienating EXCUSES given by Funcom to date at least as far as for new players (if there is anymore at this point) and players who do not want to play on Admin powertrip lands (aka. privates servers) . I say excuses as this was in FACT just an excuse to not upgrade their servers to actually make the game function as it should and be playable in a stable state.
Bottomline: To new players and for gamers in the majority the servers the game officially run on (main game owned by the company that developed the game, please donāt try to weasel out on definition, just donāt) is the one that REPRESENTS the game to new players and server as the flagship of the game. People who donāt like this fact all I can say is tough . This is simply how it was, is , and will be as far as the majority of players of video games are concerned.
Donāt want to run your game in a playable state (multiplayer 40/40 as the server states is supposed to be number of players the server was set to allow maximum) ? Fine. Donāt expect players to continue to play and invite their friends over to play either. But, do NOT insult players by saying your OFFICIAL SERVERS are not the servers that the official game is supposed to be played on !
Yeah I thought that was odd that they donāt run the servers they are responsible for like the game that CE was intended to be. Sounds too much like a cop out excuse to not put resources on officials and placation to the private server crowd where the numbers donāt lie and there are more private servers active than officials.
Thatās why thereās so much freedom The players who do not want to play on those servers and arenāt okay with the rules on official servers can simply play in single player, or host their own servers where they can become the āpowertripped admin of the landā
But itās NOT an excuseā¦ at least it does not seem like one to meā¦ Itās a ruleset specifically tailored to be able fit a lot of people on a serverā¦
It is simply not possible to have it both waysā¦ Atm they have thousands of serversā¦ WITH these strict rulesā¦ if they suddenly tell people they can go ham with their buildings youād need like a server per every 20 player, cuz theyāll have massive towns and a convenient second base set up at each landmark, but then decide hey why not build bridges and overpasses between them as well, cuz thereās not much else to buildā¦
A server atm can serve hundreds of players, since just because theyāre not all online at the same time does not mean they donāt have a base there and simply log on at different timesā¦ if you tell them they can landclaim to their hearts content half of those wouldnāt have an empty spot to build inā¦
The building system in this game is just too powerfulā¦ look at any single player saveā¦
Hereās an example from reddit:
The person did this in a couple of daysā¦ Now Iām sure they used creative mode, but itās not THAT hard to farm mats so without these rules they would definitely have no issue building that on an official server either.
What happens then? They get bored and start a new project somewhere elseā¦ but they ofc donāt wanna destroy this, because itās art, no? You just canāt have that on official serversā¦
So itās NOT an excuseā¦ it never wasā¦ the capabilities of the game are NOT in any way represented in official servers and they can never beā¦
Now youāre confusing TWO DIFFERENT THINGSā¦
The first one, youāre talking about performanceā¦ THIS was not about that in any wayā¦
The topic is NOT about server performanceā¦ itās not about how the server acts when 40 people joinā¦ With THAT, I agree and I have said multiple times that they should upgrade the quality of the servers.
Itās about landclaim first and foremost, that what the rules are about. Taking up MORE space than what you NEED (and not what you WANT, because thereās an important difference between the two)
You also seem to be misunderstanding their take on thisā¦ They said that in the context of buildingā¦ just like I explained it aboveā¦
So no, thatās not āinsultingā players in any wayā¦ theyāre saying that if you want to hog the map then go play somewhere elseā¦ the game ALLOWS for itā¦ official servers DO NOT. Thatās it pretty much.
I have gone through your post and fully understand the point you are trying to make, but simply put nothing you have said changes the fact that the above statement that I quoted was a message to convey excusing the poor function of the official servers.
āStandard of the game should be playedā
The official servers provided (they are paying for them to provided by GPortal wth the OFFICIAL stamp on them by the official owners, developers, and directors of the game are not the standard of how the game should be played and represented ?!? Sorry but, dosesnāt many amount of sense at all. Players do not see it that way and in fact see it the opposite way. The Official server represents the official way game is supposed to be ran and played approved by the officials of the game itself. This is an escapable fact.
Saying it doesnāt make it so, because frankly players are the ones who decide what they feel is the approved and promoted version of the game and majority of players coming into a game or speaking about a game will refer the game that is run and administrated by the developer and runners of the game. This is the stone cold reality of the situation.
Wellā¦ thatās pretty much the impression Iām getting from your postā¦
You disagree with what ruleset they decided to run them with so youāre saying that itās ānot trueā and itās just an āexcuseāā¦ but you saying thatā¦ does it suddenly make it so?..
Oh really? Howās that been working out for you?.. I personally didnāt get any invitations to the shareholders meeting or even the design / direction internal meetingsā¦
So what evidence points you to that fact?..
Because Iām the one who said it and even I donāt really have the official source for it like I said, just heard them and others say it here and there, so have others and so have you.
But I always understood it as a legit justification for the rules and not an excuse for the bad technical performance - thereās a massive difference between those two.
To me it always meant that you are restricted by rules on official servers from using everything that the game has to offer so that you donāt end up hogging the server.
And if I remember correctly this was actually their reply to the constant cherry-picked justification players come up with on a regular basis that the words ābuildā and ādominateā were being marketed with this gameā¦ so they saidā¦ āSureā¦ the game allows you to do thatā¦ BUT not on our serversā¦ā
So if you donāt like that āofficial way of playingā you described thereā¦ you can feel free to take your game to Single Player, you have that freedomā¦
And if you still didnāt get the distinction, I am not in any way saying that this excuses the fact that the servers themselves are of bad quality and canāt host the amount of players they advertise AND ensure the game remains playable at the same time. So on that note I fully agreeā¦ they should really get better servers
This thread was mainly about the rules and wipes and landclaim and whatnot and not about server performance.
This is such an ignorant BS claim. I am so sick of the uneducated on this forum constantly bashing private servers while constantly complaining about official servers. Having played on both, since early access, and almost exclusively on private servers as of late, I can honestly say this is utter nonsense and the negative things that everyone cries about on the officials (which I have seen first hand as well) I do not experience on private servers. So yeah, if you want to play on poorly run, laggy garbage servers where you can get admin wiped at any moment and possible banned from then sure go right ahead. But stop complaining about it and stop insulting people who run and play on private servers while you do so.
Time will ladies and gentlemen. My words obviously do nothing for you. This is fine as the facts donāt care about your opinion over the opinions of the majority of game players. Read from more than just this forum and visit the voice chats and see what the prevailing point of view is regarding Official servers of a video game. Read is seen to be responsible for their (official servers of a video game) quality and how that reflects on the perceived quality players have on said game.
Gamers opinion matters and first impressions can make or break a game. Right now the first impression of Offical servers is poor and players in majority will attach the responsibility for quality of the developers supported platform (servers) for their game. You simply can not separate responsibly and perception when you label anditem, object, or other material OFFICIAL an not expect players to see it as the reprehensive of their (devs) collective work.
It is not in the end I who needs to be convinced of quality and ownership, but all gamers who would be interested in this game and be turned away from it due to the quality so called Offical servers.
Players do expect to purchase a game and then have to purchase a server after words in order to play this game in a stable state and enjoy the all designed functions of the game in a multiplayer capacity .
In short for enjoyment it is being said purchase the game and then purchase a server to enjoy it.
I simply saying the majority of gamers find this concept unacceptable and will just as simply take their business and time elsewhere. Again, it is not I you need convince.
We donāt have to like facts. But they are true. I donāt like getting older, in my opinion I shouldnāt. But its going to happen anyway, physics are physics.
Physically Funcom provided servers canāt do big builds and open servers. So they donāt.
Again, again, again please understand that the majority of players never visit the website aside from downloading the game and never look at the site again. The majority of them (players) also do not visit the forums to read performance disclaimers and state of the game on the official servers. The majority expect and assume that the official servers are the official way to play the game and will judge the game as it plays on the official servers first and foremost.
Again, it is not I who you need to convince as said before. The majority of players perception of what they see as the benchmark of the entirety of the game. The official server will be the first place that a new player will visit alone or with their friends. This is when they will form their judgment of their enjoyment of the game (first impressions matter folks). Do you see the danger now of the Officials not presenting the game in a favorable light in this critical decision making time. This not the only survival multiplayer game out there and choices are plentiful. These are the facts. Food for thought.
Wait, are you under the impression that the majority of CE players play on official servers? Just wondering here.
Yup! There are admins who work super hard and their hobby / passion is to provide a GOOD gaming environment for playersā¦ Theyāre not even always players themselves so the āplayer biasā is not even a factor that people like to throw into these discussionsā¦
Just like some modders almost never play the game, because their passion is creating the mods and not using them there are server admins who found their thing in managing servers / creating unique things for their players etc.
Maybe Sairdontis needs to try a few servers
Its like you guys donāt read the post at all. I said that the majority of players START or PLAY FOR THE FIRST TIME on the OFFICIAL SERVERS. This is the first impression of the game. This is where the majority of players will first judge the gameās quality. They are not going to base their opinion and sense of enjoyment on a website posting that they wonāt read or a postings on a forum that they also wonāt read.
They will judge the gamesā quality on their first play throughs and will do this in the majority FIRST on the OFFICIAL SERVERS. Let me ask you guys a question: What do you think is the average attention span of the majority of gamers today and how long do you suppose you have to capture and keep a players attention on a game that bugs pop up or lags out (frame rates just for one example) on their first run through ? Or they get warned of a banning for building on a game that emphasizes building as one of its major selling and playing points ?
This is not a hard concept to grasp guys. I am not saying that this perception or impression issue is fair, but that is simply the way the majority of the gaming public is . You again donāt need to worry about my opinion(s) on the subject that is not where the problem is.
Nah, I read the post, I was asking to make sure.
I think when people try the game theyāre sort of splitā¦ at least I come across new players on a daily basis who need help setting up a dedicated server because thatās where they want to play with their partner for exampleā¦ while a lot of others jump into single player first to check out what the game is about without other people influencing it.
CE isnāt exactly a MMO, while PvP requires other people, in PvE theyāre just thereā¦ but not required in any way.
I get what youāre sayingā¦
Youāre saying that new players will automatically try official servers and dislike those so theyāll judge the whole game based on that. Right?
Iām just not sure itās the caseā¦ some will obviously without a doubtā¦ but some might ask further questions, get into private servers, others might just go along with their single player games while others will accept the rules and try to play on official servers as well as they can.
The rules are now displayed in a giant messagebox when you log inā¦ so while not reading them wasnāt an excuse even up to nowā¦ not reading them now puts even more of this responsibility on the player.
Great a disclaimer warning players on their first login on their first play though is the first thing they see telling them that the gameplay on the Official servers provided by the developer (through a 3rd party host wonāt matter to them) will be more than likely be subpar to what they expected. I suppose it might allow them time to refund the game right off the bat. At least they were warned.
That will definitely increase the chances that they will stay playing the gameā¦ and excuse completely in their minds a less than enjoyable experience is just what they are just going to have to accept .
You just purchased this game and logged in for the first time and jump on the official servers just to be met with a disclaimer to the game experience not possibly being up to standards, but no fear you can purchase or need to set up a game server to play their game in way it was intended to be playedā¦
I donāt understand what would you likeā¦
I get it that you dislike the current system, but I have very serious doubts you would be able to come up with anything better, or even comparable if you were Funcomā¦
I pointed out above that the building system in this game is just too powerfulā¦ if you donāt make any rules then youād have to supply a server for every player pretty muchā¦ which would defeat the purpose as single player is there for thatā¦
The rules are set up so that you share the serverā¦ likeā¦ do you have a problem with that? You donāt want to share? or what?
You havenāt really defined what exactly is your issue and why youāre so angry about itā¦
Pretty much everyone agrees that the official servers should be upgraded to better quality ones
Also as far as Iāve seen everyone agrees that it would be nice if Funcom was more transparent about the enforcement part of the rules. So they supply proper reasons when they wipeā¦ maybe even some sort of a warning system if itās feasible
However, after this is where I and some others seem to disagree, because you have the āWe donāt need rules, let us build and dominate and hog everythingā crowdā¦ and hereās me and others and Funcom saying that official servers should be shared equally and people should only take up as much space as they NEED and not use the public servers as their personal art gallery.
If you have an issue with those two list entries, then welcome to the club If however you have a problem with the last oneā¦ then by all meansā¦ DO go to Single Player or shell out for that private server and enjoy the game along with any new players who feel that they do not need to share
Oh itās fairly obvious what he would like. He would like for everyone to stop talking and just agree with him because he doesnāt want to listen to anything or look at facts that say the opposite of what he might like to think, such as that lovely little screen shot provided by @Taemien
His mind was set in dried cement long before he started this discussion and he will not change it for any reason. It is called the Sunk Cost Logical Fallacy. He has invested to much time and effort into this stand that he simply cannot back down from it any longer.
an unkeep cost would solve a lot of problems, will probally get rid of refreshers (being reported by a refesher was a kind insulting for a player that plays every day) Will make people play more and spent more in game as they will be in touch with promotions and itens in the shop.
That is flat out wrong. They game was very much developed with them in mind. Most adjustments comes directly from officials playthrough and feedback. Like I said earlier, itās dang strange that FCās ideal CE play is not supported with their official servers. No one wants to address this elephant in that they are holding a hypocrisy with this in that their official servers refuse to allow the play they promote; leaving administration and players frustrated.
All of this could easily be rectified with a change in a promise they made early on. Periodic refreshing of officials. I mean you can promote the play you want and with the refreshing, officials can support it. It meshing with their stance that officials offer a taste and heavier or long lasting play will require private server investments.
Iām at the same spot. Iām just resetting my base in case I decide to actually play again (probably will a bit once the new chapter comes out but not sure for how long). Iāve played so much in the past that is it almost like trying to break an addiction.
At this point I just remember all the folks I met over the years and the epic and fun (online) battles that used to happen.
I play pretty much exclusive PVP and right now the lack of clear rules and the fact that raid balance is sooo bad now pretty much has ended my time playingā¦
Let sum up your points I guess you have against what I have said.
Greedy players bad (building?). They need to learn to share in a game world that is advertised as Conquer. Build. Survive.
I donāt know how to share and want to hog up the server resources (wait a second I will get my black hat and mustache).
I must be angry for some reason . I donāt get this one, but hey opinions I guess.
Maybe an ingame restrictor that prevents you from building more if you violate the building restriction in that area or server wide. Maybe make this on the player or the clan/ guild as a whole?
The āissueā if I even have one is this comes down to satisfying a players perception of the game that they gained from the impression the game advertising gave. Agreed that is a tough one. I would say again upgrade the hardware to the game can play for the players as advertised and the impression given .
Anything beyond that it leaves it up in the air if more players will give this game the time of day or come back to it after a bad experience. Time will tell. I do believe in some ways time has told. Now it is just a question of whether the right people listened to what it said or ignored.
@biggcane55 I seem to remember that being said on a stream about console numbers. That is a tough nut to crack.
Sidenote: Strongly belief that @Oduda may have a reading and/or a comprehension issue. They may need to have the checked out. Cheers.
I did. A dev stream i am not going to spend time finding. It was defibately said, as i remember a āwowā monent for me when lisyening. May have been when rob took over combat design.
The players who do not want to play on those servers and arenāt okay with the rules on official servers can simply play in single player, or host their own servers where they can become the āpowertripped admin of the landā 
