I’m specifically interested in the Sorcerous Stag. I’m aware the files exist on my computer already, and if I had access to the Battle Pass or whatever from past eras I’d be fine paying pretty hefty money for it, but I can’t so I’m left asking this: any mods or tools that can help me here?
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There definitely should be ways for players to participate in older Battlepasses. Making them exclusive at specific points in time is not as lucrative for either the players or FC themselves.
There is 6 Battlepasses that players who start playing today cannot access simply because they didn’t own the game before. That’s 6x the login time those players could be spending getting them done. Potentially 6x the premium spent as well.
Why would there be? The whole point of the battle pass is to offer exclusive content for the ones who buy it and that’s it. I missed out on some nice content as well but tough cookies, i should have gotten the pass then.
As businessman, you work to maximize profits. If a battlepass is X dollars for a series at a discount price, then just offer the items again at x*10%.
Players that were not around or did not participate will see said product. And may wish to have certain said products. And thus make money. But you wait until after the next battle pass is completely done. Or two depending on the period between. Otherwise people will hold out. But the market today is one of impulse buy.
At the end of the day, it’s poor business practice to hide product that you got a one time return on, when your business can reap sales in a long term setting.
How much sense does that make? There’s items in the first six battlepasses. Items that took quite a few man hours for the artist to make the textures for, modelers to make the meshes for. And that work just gets no longer compensated because of an artificial cutoff date.
It makes sense for physical limited run collector items due to the costs to running the process to make them. But for digital goods it makes zero sense. The one selling the product is saying, “I want to make money until this date and then I want to stop making money.”
Please explain in utter detail why someone would want to stop making money on something after all the work on it is complete. Exclusivity doesn’t make more people buy something than the potential that would buy it after the cut off date.
There are a lot of problems with this. I’ll put them in a neat list, because I like those.
- Not everybody bought Conan Exiles at release nor bought the Battle Pass. Taken to the logical extreme, your response implies buying every game and Battle Pass in case I become interested later. It’s unreasonable, if not “screw you, I got mine.” It’s also real bad for newbies.
- You imply the exclusive Battle Pass business model is functional. The number of games that used this model and died can fill a graveyard, if not several. For every barely-functional game using this system, there are ten dead ones. It just does not work.
- The most popular games of the modern day don’t use it at all, use a modified version that lets you progress past Passes, or let you directly buy the rewards once the season ends. They do this for a reason. A lot of them are owned by Tencent too, so there’s no excuse.
- Oh right, as evidenced above: the work on the content is already done. It’s essentially cutting off a revenue stream that LoL has proven to be very popular because maybe it’ll make a bit of money in the short-term… and trash consumer goodwill and retention in return?
- Exclusive content is a misnomer. The files are on everyones’ computer, which is why you can show it off. The moment live support drops for the game, it’s not exclusive anymore - and it isn’t for cosmetic hackers right now anyway. If you have a problem with it, neither you nor Funcom would be taking it to court - you’ll get dumpstered by the fact you provide the files, don’t sell it, and so on.
- Finally, it’s just morally garbage. I want to pay the talented artists for their work, and can’t because some arbitrary system makes hacking it in the only alternative. This is money they don’t get that could be going to the people who made stuff I like. Same reason companies like SE now sell FF1 and so-on via Steam when, prior, they didn’t. They learned, why can’t Funcom?
I won’t promote this other game for reasons, but there is one i used to play that does actually sell past event items at high price so that people who originally missed the item can still get them.
I don’t agree with marking the items up just to get at people for being late or missing out completely as that is just an unnecessary punishment when the item really didn’t lose value or technically gain any either as the printing costs for re-releasing hasn’t just magically gone up, it’s just a dang flip of some store code…
I am completely fine with them delaying the re-release over a couple months to let those people who where there and participated have a bit of fun owning before anyone else that came later, but keeping it rare just cause or to mark it up later for huge profit margins just cause they can take advantage of some people isn’t cool.
Let people get the items, it’s not like anyone really had to work hard to get them in the first place, it’s not like they did a 100-person raid or something for some uber leet boss drop.
Sorry my WoW experience is showing a bit there lol.
I think some of the items make it into a rotation now that i think about it as reskins, but i am not sure if all the items do or will.
At any rate, i do support putting the items in the store after a brief delay.
I’d be fine paying like $20 or whatever for the Sorcerous pack. As long as I can actually buy it I’m happy.
This is an interesting fact.
Begs two questions… Why can’t we purchase access to stuff that was downloaded to our computers. And… Why do we have to purchase stuff that is downloaded to our computers?
Makes you wonder if regulations or legislation was passed that prohibited distribution of unpurchased, but paid content. Unless you’ve bought everything in the bazaar and every battlepass. You have files on your computer taking up space that will continue to get more and more as more stuff is created.
Legally, there’s nothing preventing you from doing that. Funcom’s EULA is unenforcable but they’re a private company and can choose to restrict access/terminate your account for any reason - and that’d be one of 'em. Of course, you can still play single-player so no biggie.
It’s the same “loophole” (but not really) that protects adblockers in court. They put it on your machine, it’s yours to do with as you please - as long as you don’t distribute the copyrighted material, of course, which is a crime. But we’re talking about accessing files, not reproducing them.
Also of note: people are already doing this and Funcom will not litigate it in court because there’s precedent and the outcome would negatively affect a lot of other companies owned by Tencent.
yet they said, the content will be gone for good, that there might be… some different ones with different colors, but not the same.
so knowing funcom , they will NOT revert on that, those who were not around will not get access to content is gone.
because thats the decision they made. it does not matter if we like it or not.
would i want to have this content available? absolutely, they could for instance provide all the Battlepass content outside time for 25 USD, meaning it will be cheaper if you do it on season and more expensive later. but they are unlikely to change that stance.
Then why bother responding? If you’re making a descriptive claim, you’re telling people what they already know - and in fact, you’re telling people the thing they’re complaining about.
I like Minecraft Dungeons take on this.
You can equip Season as one you want to progress, and earn points towards it at anytime.
CE can let players get free items, thou only would really get 1 purchase of Crom coins over all. Might get a few more sales.
Fallout 76 randomly puts old season stuff into the premium shop for purchase. It took a couple years before they started, but I think it’s a good idea. I own everything from previous seasons, but it’s given other players the opportunity to buy the items on occasion. Funcom should do this. It’ll also mix up the items a bit more in the bazaar.
because it is a discussion forum and i simply do what i feel i must do and i have the time to waste?
yup , true, but it is based on my experience, i know complaining rarely makes changes…
however i did add some thought (some might call it wishful thinking) about what i would like to see. even as a suggestion to allow this content to become available. but i simply know better… (i wish to be mistaken) nothing wrong with allowing content to become available, but keep in mind, that doing that will destroy their FOMO Tactic. a tactic that funcom has adopted in the worse possible unethical ways…
how many times people have complained about the prices and FOMO?
have you seen any changes? i have, its more expensive now hehe, the elevator case was really something that scalated fomo to the next level …
i do agree with you, but i feel they are into so much fomo tactics, that they will probably not do it. (i wish they do )
i lost count how many times the atlantean sword has been requested during the years. but guess what i have seen people angry at the posibility of others buying it because it wont be exclusive anymore (such is the nature of humans)
I might just be more on the optimistic side, but with how games from Fallout 76 to League of Legends to Gunfire: Reborn to Helldivers 2 have either moved away from or done Season Passes without FOMO content, I think complaining - constantly - does a lot of good.
Note: it reads like sarcasm but it isn’t. I could just be outside of communities where it persists.
i can agree with your statement. i am just tired of complaining and seeing no changes .
Aww. Imo we should just complain louder! No point in loving something if we are so willing to let it die, you know?
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