I think the tables are a contributing factor but not the only factor, a integrated pvp base would be a greater wheel, Animal pen, 2 stables, Map room all the T3 stations, storage, vaults and thick defenses and 1-2 altars.
it really adds up, the stations are a contributing factor but not the only one, and there are many stations that are not only large but have stability requirements which means you are less likely to stack them on a ceiling more the ground especially if you aren’t a great builder and these objects tend to be the larger ones like map rooms, stables or wheels.
Yes, I think the nutshell take is just that - considering the topic here.
If we are going to play by Funcom’s Admin’s interpretation of the rules then yeah, seems like you have to sacrifice 70% of what typical players call beautification. And that was my stance in so many threads too: These are the rules and FC’s vision - comply, go to privates/SP, or get wiped.
If however, @Umborls and any team members behind him, are here to also reassess and reevaluate those rules to any degree at all (which he said is the case) then everyone’s playstyle should be considered - and it’s a bit counterproductive to promote conformity to the previous & current expectations - whether we agree or not I would think.
So it’s okay for me to expect that someone should at least talk to me before deciding to plop their stuff right on top of mine, and it’s not quite okay for someone to do that without asking just because they thought they should or have a right to it. Glad we’ve sorted that out.
And since you might take this whole discussion personally, let me explain why it’s not. You have your own ideas about what’s “normal” and how etiquette and protocol should work on a server. That’s your right. What I’m pointing out are actual problems that arise from someone who isn’t in my clan building too close to me.
Getting targeted by someone else’s purge is one of those problems. Not being able to replace a wall that’s on the edge of my claim, or build a new wall vertically on top of it is another.
Both of those are real problems that arise from clashing land claims, which is why people shouldn’t assume it’s okay to build right next to someone, as @speedice said.
Arguably, both of those problems are bugs, but until they’re fixed, it’s normal to be annoyed by the fact that someone is making those problems for me.
Also, other people have little regard for the despawn of a carefully-cultivated forest view. I am not playing a gorgeous game to have it despoiled by another’s brutish building or feeble habits!
Dude it’s been three months and you’re still deluded into thinking you did nothing wrong. I’m fairly certain literally the first example is your squalorsprawl. How do you not see that?
Depends on the specific proximities and the area we’re talking about. It’s just as normal to be “friendly and welcoming” - more-so I would say! My example was of three friends sharing an open space where no one was obstructing anyone’s view and all involved were in the same active discord. But you can change that context and personalize it (in order to berate? with remarks like “glad to know we’re not normal”) if you like - that’s up to you.
Sure, as you like. For me, I tend to avoid making expectations: fewer frustrations and disappointments.
Yeah, your example was of three friends. If you really can’t see why I objected to how you generalized a definition of “normal” from one example, then that’s up to you.
And that contributed to the discussion in what way? Or was it you teaching a personal lesson? I apologize for generalizing the definition of “normal”… can we move on now? Please?
The objection contributed to the discussion by describing problems with clashing land claims, since the general topic of the thread is land claim abuse on official servers. It doesn’t necessarily pertain to the latest clarification of the rules, but it does contribute to the offshoot discussion that was started about where it’s okay to build and where not, and specifically whether it’s okay to build right very close to someone else.
That’s how that particular reply contributed to that discussion. The rest of the reply chain from there on did not contribute anything, but I would’ve been okay with leaving it there.
Dude, I don’t need your apology. I explained what problems I’ve had with people building right next to my claim and why I think that it is, in fact, “normal” to be annoyed about those problems. You took it personally and wrote a detailed comment about what you think is normal. Now you’re questioning me about how that contributed to the discussion without questioning your own contributions.
I don’t need or want you to apologize, just stop dragging out the discussion because you didn’t like that I pointed out that I disagree with what you consider normal.
i think a great idea would be to make the build in landclaim radius a bit bigger.
That way people wouldnt have to build as big, to make some sort of decent landclaim.
Since the fall damage is bugged, its way too easy to jump on top of peoples bases and not take dmg.
And they cant landclaim to “defend” against it, because then they will get banned
I remember building a huge tower to jump into the enemy base while walling them in before an attack so they cant run with the loot. It was a shame they got on to late to realize what happen. Waited two hours to light the bombs to make sure they dont spawn in.
Note: I didnt start the war and they had siptal gear while we had normal. Also we were fighting a 20 man clan.
I don’t think funcom clarified anything about the rules of land claim. Everything I saw in those pictures was very obvious abuse of land claim. It may be a step forward but still not enough
Yes and no because people like to build and make fancy building. I think spider web land claiming is abuse but i do understand why they do it. If you remove the why then those land claim would no longer occured. Massive land claim are cause by two factors or three. To prevent trebs, gods, being boxed in or all of the above.
Community: Rules not clear.
Funcom: Shows pictures.
Community: Still not clear
I said this a while back that there is no way for FC to be able to get these people happy. They don’t want to be happy. The more and more FC shows pictures of offending buildings, the more and more these people will complain that their creativity is being stifled, or they’ll play dumb and say they don’t understand.
Clarification is a futile measure. The simple fact of the matter is people can’t play nice with each other and have no intention of doing so. Its telling when you have a few peeps in these forums who have these overly large builds and give a sob story about how their pretty things will be demo’d.
THEIR pretty things. Its all about them. Not the ones around them. Not the ones they share the server, just them and them alone. Well artists can be jerks and selfish too, especially when they care more about their work than the people around them.
Look at it this way: Funcom’s post marks a boundary, and there’s a time before it and after.
Before that post, any discussion on the forums about whether, say, foundation webs or roads are against the rules or not would end up with two sides disagreeing with each other vehemently and each side convinced that they’re in the right. People would quote parts of the rules and point to the verbiage there and make their own arguments, but good luck changing anyone’s mind.
Now we live in the time after that post, where you can grab a link to it and post it whenever someone says they were banned unfairly and did nothing wrong and it turns out that they had a foundation web. You probably still won’t change that person’s mind, but at least you can avoid a protracted, pointless discussion with them
Now, I know it doesn’t seem like a big deal, but it helps shift the Overton window, and that’s valuable.
On top of that, it seems that our concerns in this thread are finally filtering through to Funcom, and it might help them calibrate their rules, or the enforcement of those rules, or communication around them. I hope that something good will come out of all this.
To be fair, the community here does have some very valid concerns that are still unclear.
There might be those that will keep insisting that their ban was unfair no matter how clear Funcom is about their rules, but that doesn’t mean that we have to throw everyone’s concerns out the window because of that.
At some point you have to make a hard decision. I’ve seen players do this time and time before on many servers. Usually they try to edge up as close to the line as they can. And ignore the spirit of the rule. Whether that is intentional or not (meaning whether they get the spirit or not) is irrelevant. The point is, they want to get as close as they can so when someone eventually complains, they can point at the line and say they are under it. Their intent was initially selfish, so their ignorance isn’t excusable.
When asking for clarifications, people are asking, “how big can -I- go,” “where can -I- build,” “how can -I- build,” “what can -I- build,” “how close can -I- build to that?”
Rather than asking what actions affect others. That they don’t really want to hear. The point is, the questions being asked are disingenuous. So at some point the questions need to be dismissed. FC has better things to do then answer every little thing about a free service provided. Especially considering there literally is a server for everyone, as they said.
They offer the experience THEY want to share on their official servers. Players need to decide if that’s the experience they want, or not. Its not a democracy, servers never were.
Well written but still vague rules. You won’t be changing my mind on the topic. Not to mention no warning and permanent bans. Seems a bit unnecessary to me
