Anyone against items returning are just elitists wanting to keep content exclusive so they can maintain a certain status. It’s a marketing scam and these idiots dropping hundreds of dollars the second something gets added are just sheep. They don’t even realize they’re being scammed and defending their own robbery. There’s absolutely not a single reason a virtual in game item meant to bring enjoyment to a gaming experience should be made exclusive to players who just happened to have the money when it was added.
Having more available content and not removing things from the rewards pool gives new players and old players a reason to play even longer as they want to collect the missing items.
Fear of missing out is still stupid even tho it forces players to jump and buy things immediately, eventually people get sick of dealing with that environment and find something else to play actually.
So maybe they get immediate results but long term it won’t sustain itself. They will constantly have to add more content to get people to play the game because they keep removing older content instead of adding it indefinitely.
Much smarter play to take after decades old games that are still successful like final fantasy online and stop removing past content. They’re successful because they enrich the players experience while still charging for cosmetic items and mounts ect, without removing everything from the game. All content is made available so new and old players have a reason to play.
If you already know there is no chance to ever obtain the items you really want, what incentive do you have to continue playing? That’s about the time I quit a game as my experience has been completely halted and ruined. I wouldn’t want to continue knowing I’ve already been defeated.
Exclusive items create a toxic community environment and ruin all sense of true community. It divides the player base and then the company has to rely on half of their players to religiously buy items because no one else will.
Get real funcom. I remember you saying battle pass items would not become exclusive. You said that. That there would always be a chance for return and now they’re exclusive somehow. Always lies. You were never this type of company that’s why we all loved this game. Idk what happened.
Totally agree with the sentiment but some obvious issues with logic.
How is this any different than price walled DLC’s?
Name calling will not win over people.
How are they being robbed? An interesting phrase here because this suggests that your prime motivation to have all access to the wares is so that you can wait for the discounts. Which is probably why the DLC model failed as people just waited till the 60% off sales.
If the do so only when there is a discount, then the business exchange fails.
If your reason to play is cosmetics, then the game is dead to you already.
Literally happened at launch of this game and yet a community grew.
Quote please because I heard the BP was exclusive but bazaar items would be rotated.
Reality that this is a business first and margins matter so that all folks that work will have jobs long into the future? What everyone is failing to see is that FC was inches away from bankruptcy before CE and it was CE that saved it. HOWEVER those undisclosed debts are still on the books and needed to be paid off. They can’t do that if their consumer base will only purchase goods at under 50% off.
At the root of this is why does exclusive content that you don’t have make it less fun to play? You can point to FOMO as being evil but the reality is that envy is at the root of the dissatisfaction. If you were simply happy with what you have and can purchase things whenever you can, then there wouldn’t be a problem. The fact that the BP literally gives you your crom coin back and at the current time I did the math and it ended up being about $0.05/item if you maintained the battle pass from AoS chpt1 without purchasing any other goods, that is a great bargain and gets more value on each chapter.
Yes I also want to see it more open to purchase the past content but can’t stand by the root reasoning you are suggesting which is just rooted in envy and bitterness that others got what you didn’t.
Because the dlc will always be available for purchase in the future. Meaning players will always have an opportunity to purchase them in the future…
There has never been a discount on DLCs. They’ve always been the same price at least on console. So uhh idk what you’re talking about. We pay full price for everything.
They’re being robbed because funcom is now using the fear of missing out so people are quickly buying everything they add new because there WONT be an opportunity to buy them in the future… being robbed. Forced to buy right now or forever miss out. Lmao. Get real.
I have played the game 7 years so I guess you could say the game is dead to me without cosmetics yes… I own every single recipe, completed every dungeon, killed every boss, built in every location imaginable, PVP, PVEC, PVE, siptah. Have owned every legendary except breath of the red mother. Lmao still waiting. Have dealt with every bug, every griefer, every shortcoming. So yea if the game is completely dead after 7 years of gameplay that isn’t a good thing Lmfao you’re making it worse. I’ve played final fantasy online more than 10 years and there’s is plenty to do on a daily basis.
And again no idea what “discounts” on dlc packs you’re talking about. Bazaar items go on “sale” from their over marked prices to make it look like a sale sometime yes but uhh idc if it is sold at full price later on just don’t resell at discount then. Still doesn’t change anything. Considering they won’t ever be sold again idk why you assume I’m waiting for a discount lol. That’s wild.
One time. Promotional and that makes sense… still angry about that also tho.
And to your last paragraph idc. There is a right and a wrong way to do anything and everything. You don’t build true community and long lasting loyal customers by scheming ideas to extort money from them and pitting them against each other to buy and own the most exclusive items. Sorry. Yea many types of business exist. It’s a choice what you do.
When Funcom addressed this issue on stream before the first Battlepass, they stated that the items, or slight variants of them, would be available later through DLC or Bazaar.
So far, neither of these happened, so my guess is Funcom forgot.
Exactly. Which is why battlepass is so bad.
There never will be any discount. Which means the developers are missing out on all that money they would get from people who won’t buy it at a full price, but would at a discount.
Companies like battlepasse because they give the game a nice active playerbase, making it look good for investors. But the Conan battlepass sucks at that.
Riddle of Steel has been discounted off and on for a while on PS store (it’s the only one I don’t have so I can see the price changes) Not to the Steam discount levels but console store fronts do offer discounts.
But you do. You do care because you feel that because I have something you don’t, that you are pitted against me and you blame the company for allowing this. vs just being happy for me that I have a wight horse even if you don’t and you hope a variant of that will be published in the bazaar later so that you can get a version of it as well.
Really because I find CE battlepass the least amount of pain of all the other ones I have done since they have went out on record to tell us to go ahead and cheat our way to level 60 if you need to. Also they have events that increase the challenge points when they see enough of the player base having issues finishing. I don’t see any other battlepass doing that.
Age of sorcery is gone. So is the battlepass that was age chapter specific. Same will happen with age of war.
Unfortunately that isn’t dlc that is always available.
It is not players who wants to keep it for themselves lol.
Is that my decision, my fault? If I have it and you dont and you cant have it anymore.
Its the developer who decided that way. Not me
People who buy battle pass are just idiots who get scammed - same person in next sentence - I want to buy battle pass items I missed out on.
You should have been here with us, supporting Conan instead of taking a break to play Valheim or Rust
Also they have events that increase the challenge points when they see enough of the player base having issues finishing. I don’t see any other battlepass doing that.
Yeah I play also SWTOR and battle pass there is a GRIND, which you can’t skip in admin mode People who complete the grind get rewarded, you did not participate - sorry, grind another battle pass when it comes.
It’s seriously comparable to not participating in some sports event, but demanding to get a t-shirt from that event, or even a medal.
This is not how the world works, you can’t solve all issues with your mom’s credit card or demand things and act like spoiled child calling people idiots.
Just stop your tantrum, keep breathing and go out and touch the grass.
Player A Started in 2018 and has been playing for 5 years. They have a budget of $8 for the game after purchase. Battlepass is outside their budget. They didn’t buy any of the Age of Sorcery Battlepasses, nor any of the Age of War. If their budget raises in the future due to having an expendable income change, they still can’t buy what they missed.
Player B started today. They have a budget of $1,000. They can’t get the last few battlepasses. They have a literal blank check with revenue Funcom will never see because of it. And they aren’t interested in the current one.
Player A doesn’t get what they want.
Player B doesn’t get what they want.
Funcom doesn’t get paid.
Lose lose lose.
Now let’s put the Battlepasses up for sale.
Player A may get to buy what they want in the future.
Player B will buy everything they want immediately.
Funcom gets paid in both situations.
Win win win.
This isn’t even suggesting to go back to the old DLCs. Because yes… they were not monetarily feasible. They went on sale (and if you knew how to exploit Steam you never paid full price even on release day of the DLC), and Valve took a 30% cut on top.
This is simply a request by many to allow past Battlepasses to be purchasable. They don’t even have to include the crom coin awards, just the items. Could just be a bundle on the Bazaar. That’s all that is being requested.
People have money they want to spend. Why tell them no?
I agree. I don’t agree with the BP exclusivities but I didn’t agree with Day 1 exclusivities either and half the loyal vet population threatened to quit if FC ever offered their exclusive content to the general masses so that sort of proves exclusivity is needed and some of P Athena’s critiques are not just feelings but truths.
This is the type of mentality I will never understand. Especially in Conan. Not saying you’re wrong, as I know these people exist (as evidenced by someone in this thread already) but I play in a private server. With one person. I will never know if “you” have battlepass items. You will never know that I don’t. This isn’t even an MMO where you’re bound to run into someone with the shiny.
And if you care so much for supporting the game, would you not want more people buying into things, regardless of when they have the funds to do so?
I guess I just can’t understand the mentality of having something JUST BECAUSE someone else doesn’t. Especially when it’s virtual items that have literally no limited availability like actual, physical possessions might.
I blame Daniel Kahneman. And other psychologists who decided to tell economists how people’s minds actually work when they think about spending or investing money.
Seriously, his book Thinking, Fast and Slow is brilliant. But once money-grabbing capitalists figured out they can manipulate buyers into buying with psychology, they figured out how to maximize the money flow when they want that money.
A steady flow of income isn’t good enough for those playing the stock markets. They need profit spikes timed according to quarterly reviews so they can maximize their own bonues, dividends or whichever parts of their personal income is dependent on said reviews.
I liked your examples of lose-lose-lose and win-win-win, but for companies whose sole purpose is to make profit, there is no inherent value in the customer getting a “win”.
Figured out? What like over 10k years ago when people were bartering and figured out that having the appearance of an emotional connection to people you do business with gives you an advantage?
I understand everyone wants to take down the 1% but come on. We are literally talking about human nature and not Scrooge McDuck. Everyone using leverages and angles to get ahead. Individual morals temper this to “acceptable” levels of greed but we all do it.
Its a great monetization model actually thats why its so popular. It makes the publishers and owners a ton of money.
Its not good for the consumer, but the consumer forks out the money for it anyway. Economic principles at work.
If everytime a battle pass came out the entire playerbase abandoned the game, battlepasses would not exist. The opposite is true. And I work in the games industry, so have seen the numbers with my own eyes on how effective and lucrative the battlepass systems are, and almost everytime they are both lucrative and incite rage in the player base.
But money will win every time. People have crusaded in forums and social media trying to shame those that participate and one day people will learn that shaming people online is about as effective as peeing into a hurricane and then wondering why you are getting wet.
I don’t care about exclusivity. I run private servers. Whether or not joe and alice have a sword that I also have doesn’t impact me one iota. So I don’t care about that. If they brought past DLC items from the battlepass into the bazaar I’d not say a word, because it doesn’t affect me and I have 100 other things in my life to worry about that are not about a video game I spend my leisure time in to have fun and get away from the real world with.
This thread went from “Hey could you maybe not time-lock content that’s added to everyone’s game files anyways?” to “Since the dawn of time, man has known greed”.
that’s because people always bring up evil corporate greed into the conversation. Like there needs to be some moral justification for simply wanting what others have. (and that is the very heart of this conversation. Those that miss out, want it. Those that have it may or may not care and the businesses that sell it are afraid that the time exclusivity removal would lower monthly revenue).
After covering those three aspects, the conversation gets slanted to socio-economic stances and here we are.
Yeah, I absolutely agree with you here. I didn’t clarify very well but yeah. It’s not a good system for consumers, especially when the entire focus seems to go into these drivers rather than making an engaging, functioning game.
dude you hold no value for money or do you have too much of it and nothing to spend it on? stop purchasing the bp if u have no intention finishing it. also, its very easy to finish the bp in admin mod- it should take you aproximately a week if you only do legendary or epic challenges on x10.
just don’t resell at discount then. Still doesn’t change anything. Considering they won’t ever be sold again idk why you assume I’m waiting for a discount lol. That’s wild.