True, and so the explanation is that you misunderstood the game, but rather than admitting you made a mistake instead you describe the game as “nagging at me with its wrongness.” If you’re being honest, it wasn’t the game that was wrong.
But if you agreed to buy the house even though you knew the floor tile was there (or you should have known and it was your own fault for not knowing) then the only person responsible for your feelings of wrongness is yourself.
Fair enough.
Conan, likewise, doesn’t describe the entire game/story/lore in the first 15 minutes, for that matter neither does any other game, ever.
The simple fact of seeing obelisks floating in the sky (not to mention all of the other large, glowing lights dropping down to the surface and giving you free materials and equipment) should be all that anyone needs to realize it’s a game and not a documentary. Even without knowing what was happening, it shouldn’t have required any description at all to understand that something is weird about this place.
Let me know when the Kickstarter for your new game is ready.
Joking aside, I get it now, you were describing your misinterpretation of what was happening in ARK. Fair enough, we all make mistakes, yours was jumping to a false conclusion about the nature of the game.
Please quote where I claimed that was a quote.
Because the dinos could have been taken from Earth stock without the setting of the game having to be on Earth. Another answer so obvious it’s surprising that someone of your abilities has to ask it in the first place.
Just because the dinos are from Earth (teleported, cloned, transported) in no way implies that the game is taking place on Earth. And those lovely, scenic obelisks and brightly glowing drops are, yet again, instant evidence that what’s happening in the game is happening somewhere… somewhere else.
My character likes pie. Any other biographical details are extraneous to their narrative.
I see your character likes pie too, something they can agree on.
Some times I seriously question your reading comprehension.
Tripling down on your narrative doesn’t make you any less wrong.
I know how to replace floor tile, I don’t know how to mod ARK.
Conan starts with telling you why you are there, ARK just drops your butt on a beach.
Ignoring facts that don’t support your narrative does not help your argument. There is still no intro or explanation. Looking around and seeing the world you are in is neither.
Why do you not get that?
What kick stater it could easily be a mod, I may not be able to do it but I know it can be done.
Once again some times I seriously question your reading comprehension.
Now look who is trying to write back story.
And no where does it dissuade you from believing it to be other wise.
But hey you keep trying to convince yourself ARK isn’t a crap dino game. If some one had done Jurassic world before ARK, ARK would have lasted about as long as a fart in the wind. Or if funcom had done a dino game on par with Conan it would be the big Dino game.
ARK’s only draw is the dinos. As an open world sandbox survival game it’s about as generic as they come. If it had been set in the middle ages, or had zombies, or was post apocalyptic it would have failed. Because the dinos make the game. If your game is based on dinos and you do an eh job of it, the rest of the game isn’t enough to keep you in it.
This is a very good topic. Thank you to the person who opened the issue.
The old “Purge” was very nice. Yes, I wish it were now. But it also had its annoying side. It’s also a very big problem. When will it start? Yes, I had to keep watch during the “purge” time every day. until it happens.
The T4 reward was very nice <3 northern and cimerian. “Purge” who doesn’t miss those days
Is this the old purification? The choice is very difficult. Because waiting and keeping watch can be a huge problem. So my choice: I don’t know
The original purge was supposed to be an equalizer. Something that happens to keep you humble and ensure clams didn’t get too large. It turned into thrall delivery. And the players enjoyed thrall delivery…It had to go because the original purpose was no longer being accomplished and it was revised to be what people wanted.
Nah, you just don’t like it when your dissembling and trickery don’t work on people.
You made a mistake, you misunderstood the game, that’s not the game’s fault, and you can’t bring youself to admit it. It’s just that simple.
Whether you know how to replace it or not is dodging the point, moving the goal posts isn’t going to help you here. The point is that you agreed while knowing what you were getting into, or if you didn’t know then you should have known because it was obvious, which is still your own resonsibility.
You agreed to play a game that was fundamentally “wrong” (according to your own criteria), that you knew was “wrong” before you ever installed it, then you complained that it was wrong. That’s on you.
Again you’re dodging the point.
Conan’s 2 minute exposition when you first log in barely qualifies as an explanation, you still have to learn a whole lot more during the course of the game, including the vast majority of the story/lore that you progress through as you play. The difference between 2 minutes and 0 minutes is absurd to argue about. That’s a difference between 100% mystery and 99.9% mystery, it’s silly to argue that this 0.1% matters. It’s a distinction without a difference.
And even if, just for the sake of discussion, I was willing to agree that those 2 minutes matter there’s still nothing at all wrong with telling players, “You don’t know why you’re here, that’s one of the mysteries you have to solve as you play the game”, that’s a perfectly valid way of beginning a game. Conan starts with a (brief) speech, ARK starts by visually informing you that there are mysteries to solve, both are equally legit ways to start a game.
The only real difference here is that ARK shows you the implant in your arm instead of giving you a speech, which is all that anyone who is using their brain needs to see in order to understand that there is a mystery to discover and that this is probably not Earth, or at least not Earth as they’ve ever known about it or understood it. It’s super obvious that players should avoid drawing any conclusions until they learn more about the mystery. And, yet again because you keep deliberately avoiding it, no matter where your character logs in you see a humongous obelisk (which is obviously either unknown technology or possibly magical in origin) plus glowing balls dropping from the sky all over the place.
And also yet again, all of these elements were featured in all of advertising and trailers before you ever decided to get the game, if you were surprised by ARK not being historically accurate that’s your own fault.
There’s nothing historically accurate about the implant in your arm.
There’s nothing historically accurate about the obelisks.
There’s nothing historically accurate about drops from the sky.
There’s no reason for a player to assume, or feel entitled to, the game being historically accurate in any fashion.
Oh the irony…
The implant, the obelisks, the glowing drops in the sky - all of these things immediately tell you that you’re not on Earth, or at the very least not on an historically accurate earth.
Why do you keep refusing to get that?
I’m sure it has nothing to do with you digging in your heels, refusing to admit that you made mistakes, misunderstood the game, then tried to blame someone else for your errors.
That’s strange, yourself that existed two paragraphs ago didn’t know how to mod ARK.
What a miraulous learning curve.
Once again you’re just mad when your rhetorical trickery doesn’t work.
Nope, swing and a miss.
You asked the question, “So the point of earth like dinos, right down the the latin names?” By asking that question you were making the implied argument that there’s only one good, legitimate reason for using earth like dinos, which is a terrible argument. There are multiple posible “points” to using earth like dinos in a game, that was just one of them. It wasn’t necessary to list all of reasons in order to debunk that failed argument, a single example was all that was needed.
Demonstrating why your implied argument was a failure in no way qualifies as trying to write a back story.
Yeah, it really does, you just don’t want to admit it.
You jumped to a conclusion, a conclusion which had multiple pieces of evidence stacked against it in all of the trailers and advertisements, not to mention all visible in the first 30 seconds of game play. You made a mistake, you jumped to a conclusion which is no one’s fault but your own.
Oh sure, it’s a crap game in many ways, you’ve clearly forgotten or overlooked that I entered this thread by saying that Conan is a better made game. You should try scrolling up in a thread before you make spurious accusations.
But whether it’s crap or not is another red herring and has nothing to do with the dispute you and I are having. It’s just not crap in the one specific way that you keep trying to deny was your own fault.
Maybe, but that hypothesis has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. Another failed attempt at trying to move the goalposts.
Maybe, but it that hypothesis has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. Another failed attempt trying to move the goalposts.
Maybe, but more failed attempts at trying to move the goalposts.
Sure, that’s fair. I’ll always support anyone’s right to like or dislike games of their own choosing. Because… obviously.
The only thing I’ve been arguing with you is that you keep trying to blame the game for a false preconception, false expectations and jumping to false conclusions, that were your own fault.
You don’t understand the term “moving the goal posts” do you?
Man I think I found your calling, being wrong.
That intro just sets the stage, and is longer then 2 minutes, plus character creation. But that is still 100X more intro then you get with ARK.
I’m not dodging the point, I’m making it.
You honestly do not comprehend the difference that 2 minutes makes do you?
No there is no mystery in Conan as to why you are there, you get a list of your crimes at the end of character creation.
And usually about the time I say “what a load of crap”. The developer obviously do not know how to set the hook.
Conan sets you up for the game, ARK is a cold open the 2 are not comparable.
Which tells me absolutely nothing.
There is no story line to ARK, there for no mystery to solve, there is no plot to the game. Conan is full of lore stones that tell you the tales, give you motivation to find the next chapter, give you quests to gather items to finish the story. And ARK has obelisks, drops, and a crystal in your arm. What mystery can you actually solve? What is the story line and plot? Right ARK has none.
What mystery? In all your time in playing what have you learned about this mystery?
In Conan I’ve read all the lore stone, and notes. I’ve done the quests and removed the bracelet. I know all the stories on the exiled lands.
ARK has no story.
How? Where you around at the time of dinos to know there wasn’t obelisks or drops?
Maybe I’ve had the implant since birth so not new to me, just itchy.
You wanting to believe that does not make it a fact.
I don’t know how a PC works, but I know it works. I don’t know how to do a back flip, but I know it can be done. Is that really that hard to understand
That isn’t rhetorical trickery.
Wow word salad, a paragraph or words meaning nothing.
Yeah, it really doesn’t, you just don’t want to admit it.
See how that works.
I have to wonder why you are so dead set on making me out to be the one in the wrong. I’m not the one that did dinos wrong.
You really need to google that term.
No actually I haven’t, I keep trying to point that out. I said I had issues with various aspects of the game, I’ve not once claimed to have been mislead, but your entire argument depends on that.
I said I didn’t like it because it had mixed epoch dinos, I never claimed to have been mislead in to believe it was going to be accurate. So basically your entire argument falls flat on it’s face.
I didn’t start ARK with any more expectation then what I had seen on twitch. A dino survivle game, that was it. I was never mislead, didn’t have expectations, just was not happy with what i found.
Lmao.
Ark has story and it’s much more than a few obelisks with audio attached to them on EL and some exposition videos on siptah with no end game scene.
There is an entire journey with cutscenes and massive lore drops with end game cutscenes and a hook for next game but you clearly didn’t bother to even look into it.
Ark had 5x more players than CE ever had.
Something tells me they did know how to set up a hook to keep players invested and it worked way better than “the year of the cobra…”
Yeah… things should go to ‘Extreme Cold’ or ‘Extreme Heat’ quicker. Heatstroke/Frostbite triggering is at a good place i feel.
Does ‘Very Cold’ actually do anything? I never quite noticed or really even have that status on me often. Maybe increases stamina consumption like a Headache does? Or is it just purely to inform the player hie close to freezing they are?
I don’t see a problem there, because the predators don’t actually eat those herbivores anyway. Anywhere you go in Conan Exiles, the deer and tigers live peacefully side by side. Humans (and the occasional aggressive herbivore, such as the elk king) are the predators’ only acceptable prey.
Then again, considering you get food poisoning from eating raw meat, I guess natural selection has eliminated the predators who try to eat the deer.
Original Ark Survival Evolved still has 5x bigger active player base than Conan.
And this is the same playerbase, same people.
So a player is 5x more likely to pick Ark over Conan.
Most players I met while I run private server were coming to Conan from Ark.
And their path was like that Ark → Conan → Ark…
Ark totally destroys Conan when it comes to the sandbox itself.
In Ark you get a living jungle, with animals wandering aroud the map, variable spawns, you never know what is waiting behind next bush.
And Conan is like a static map waiting for someone to press “play” so the life starts. Static spawns, just waiting there doing nothing, after they are dealt with the very same NPCs respawn to replace. Boooring…
The only mechanics where world actually interacted with player on it’s own initiative was The Purge, and it was removed.
Without The Purge the Exiled Lands/Siptah is like a Wax Museum.
All they had to do is just look up the most popular mods list on Steam and implement that into the game.
Nah, they talked to small cliche of fanboys and decided to turn NPCs blind+deaf and make the loot drop from the sky so their fanboys don’t have to worry about harvesting and crafting boring things like food
Every game has to have a mountain to climb to be fun. In Conan it was a small hill with no endgame. And then they flattened that hill.
Person responsible for current game design should go, and the original dude must be brought back to save this game.
And again, no point in talking to fanboys my dude. They don’t ever try to understand what you are saying. There is just emotional reaction because you are saying truth about their game.
If you want to protest, do it with your time and wallet, don’t buy at bazaar, uninstall the game, let them see the charts, play something else, play Ark or Space Marine 2 (warning - not for cucks, the enemy NPCs can actually see you and fight back)
The fun part is that apparently they have noticed brief success of Conan Exiles, and they are going to introduce tribe/thrall mechanics to Ark 2.
So Studio Wildcard can learn from Conan, but Funcom can’t learn from Ark.
Then you’d be wrong. It’s simply dinos have more fans then Conan. That is it, Conan looks better, runs better, and has plenty of stories, quests, and events.
Ya I see those hyenas eating that salad.
Which funcom seems to think belongs in your hot bar
In Conan you get a living jungle, with animals wandering around the map, variable spawns, you never know what is waiting behind next bush.
I hear about the so called “fanboys” but I think they are a myth.
Say I’ve never played through Conan with out saying I’ve never played through Conan
Oh just because people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they don’t understand what you are saying.
And I hope to Set they never do.
Now if ARK is so good why is it copying Conan?
You do get in the real world dinos are easily 5X more popular then Conan. If Conan had flying dragon mounts the player base would probably double. Wouldn’t have to do anything else, dragons are that popular.
Note: Last I read ARK 2 had been canceled due to the poor reception of ARK:SA. And that private servers running the old ARK has more players.
Yeah the old purge… and their unique feature - little chance of showing up in the middle of your base.
I still remember years ago when a bunch of noobs (our clan of course) built a base in the highlands , prepared to defend against an outside attack (it was our first highland purge and second in the game overall) and what did we have to face ? Cimmerian beast tamers spawning in the middle of the base next to the production stations.
Actually, it was only because of a bug that we didn’t all die and lose the whole base that time. There was big green dragon in the last wave (I didn’t even know there were dragons in the game until then) and only because of his own AoE attacks he get stuck in the base foundations where we slowly killed him with bows ( and I carefully poked him with my spear)
Another time, we instead faced 10 hyenas attacking our base
But because FC logic Rocknose purge , with a 50% chance of one of the scourges of the game - Rockslide - had an area over half the map and especially most of the areas with newbies.
Once, after we built a base at Sinkhole (after we returned to the game after a several-month pause), we help a neighbor , a newcomer who was attacked by Rockslide in the purge… without us he would have just been killed. And after that experience, he moved to noob river. And he wasn’t the only one, I’ve heard of a few others over the years that Rockslide just completely wiped.
The old purges are something I’ll never miss - they were brutal, chaotic and buggy…the new ones are virtually bug free compared to them ( well ok they are buggy too but much less so)
I do miss the old purge but I also play on a private server and never cheesed the mechanic to drop the bar by not playing. YMMV.
That said, I wish the new purge worked in reverse. Why are we paying to be raided? We should be paying a bribe to stop the raiders which also has the benefit of actually using your coin. Fail to pay, they come to forcibly take it. Bigger the base (equation taking into account building pieces and placeables) and the more thralls you have, higher the bribe you need to pay if you want to continue peaceably. And to keep with the on-demand nature, you could have 3 options that go somewhat like this:
Receive correspondence from band of raiders demanding payment to continue to allow your existence. You can:
Pay the bribe. No raid.
Outright deny bribe. Imminent raid.
Ignore the bribe. Raid happens in variable amount of time to give people back some element of surprise, for that that miss it.
Could also have the raiders be random groups (I think I miss this most of the original purge) of human factions. If you keep paying your bribe, it’s to that particular group but if you do the raid, a different group (selected at random from the pool) may target you next leading to different enemies, with different rewards, and possibly even different strategies. (Cimmerians bring mammoths that target walls, stygians have the sorcerers, etc). This would add back some additional fun and excitement with some variety. There’s the possibility of even adding additional rewards or extra challenges if you defeat all the raid factions if they got it working smoothly.
This could have then also been combined with Age of Heroes where you pay an upkeep based on your thrall count. It takes money and/or resources to maintain workers. Make us work for our gold, give us more to spend gold on that works in a satisfying loop. Would probably need testing or sequential roll out to not make it too difficult at the start (for newer players that don’t have gold stockpiled) but I’d definitely appreciate something like this.
But, as of now, I rarely bother with purges. I treat it about the same as religion, which is to say I just ignore its existence because it’s a pretty lackluster feature in its current form.
In terms of calculations, there could be a minimum required amount, so a simple map room or teleport room sit under that, allowing people to travel without having multiple bribe locations but if you want to upkeep several mid-large functional bases, you have to maintain the effort of doing so.
Conan does look better than old Ark but it doesn’t look that good if we compare it with UE5 version of Ark.
Conan runs better…in single player or private server that doesn’t see more than 10 players pop.
Content wise, Conan is a failure.
No real endgame, no group content, no consistent story and only 2 maps with 0 randomised content.
Despite all the bugs and controversis around Ark it’s a better survival game than CE and has much more content that doesn’t get old after 10 minutes of interaction.
Ah handy little chart! Yeah, the increased hunger and thirst rates aren’t even noticeable to me but i guess that explains some things.
They really should revert some changes to the severity of temperature to pre-Ages. Being naked anywhere other than noob river/middle of the map should already be very uncomfortable.
Naked for a long time in the North, Savannah or deep jungle should just be a death sentence.
It doesn’t need to be like the old system where dipping into the Riversend body of water (with mild resistance gear) would start freezing you but there should be a nice inbetween.
That isn’t rhetorical trickery.
