@WhatMightHaveBeen, did someone hack your account, you are giving too much love 
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LOL.
Sometimes all you can do is love someone to help them thru their issues.
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Agreed, the changes are very appretiated.
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Figured from the start that people are only trolling, namecalling and gunning for the asura tag instead of having a discussion.
I want a asura tag
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most of us just gave up trying to have a discussion with you 
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No, not better. Itâs still âIâm not affected by words so everyone else has to be like meâ. You can rephrase it any way you want, but as long as the essence is âanyone who doesnât do what I do is wrongâ, itâs still going to be about how your way is the only right way. 
If it worked the way you described it, I could:
- report you for not using the apostrophe in the word âpersonâsâ
- say that itâs offensive to me
and - get you banned
But it doesnât work like that. Thatâs just you, pushing your slippery slope argument up the hill of âwe ainât fooled by fallaciesâ
Yeah, thatâs another argument youâve been pushing all this time. This idea that Funcom will be âfloodedâ and, I guess, incapable of dealing with it. And I suppose that because Funcom is totally incapable of dealing with it, thatâs why we need to get rid of that part of the rules, right?
You might have a point there. Itâs not like Funcom could see that theyâre receiving a disproportionate amount of spurious reports and put up another message that says something along the lines âdonât abuse the reporting systemâ with an explanation. And itâs not like they have the power to put that message somewhere where everyone can see it, like when they log into a server. And to even imagine that, if people keep abusing the reporting system despite that, they could give the report abusers a slap on the wrist in the form of a 1 day ban or something like that, so the word spreads? Now thatâs preposterous! Youâre totally right, we should get rid of these unreasonable rules that Funcom wonât have any chance of dealing withâŠ
Thereâs a point where âcome debate me broâ stops being taken seriously. Itâs different for every discussion and for every participant in it. I donât know about others, but for me it was when I realized that youâre doing a textbook motte-and-bailey argument. The only reasons I keep engaging is because:
- There are times when it looks like you can drag others down the same path.
- Sometimes Iâm too distracted to focus on important stuff in real life, so I kill time by arguing in the most pointless online discussion I can find
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So, you go from saying âquit making this about youâ to this now? There are many ways to deal with the situation being discussed: quit the server, mute and ignore, use Funcoms already in game mechanics.
You can put I, me, you, random person in as the subject and its still the same - deal with it the same way, I just donât understand how you cant see that. At no point did I say if they didnât do what I do, they are wrong, you are making things up and shoving words in my mouth. I told how I deal with these issues, and that there is in game mechanics already in gameâŠwhich was promoted by Funcom to use. Now, with the changes, and the rewording of the rules (which didnât need to be done on the language) it will cause more reports to come in, most of which if not all, will be ignored. Thatâs what I said.
Ahhh, but YES IT CAN. You CAN report me for that, and low and behold, Funcom gets another waste of time report. The ban wouldnât happen (in this case) but someone took time out of their day to read that. Remember them saying they donât have time to admin their servers because there is 1000âs of them? You think they will read the increased amount of reports? Which seems like a better way to spend time to ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE GAME.
Once again, you are making things up and putting words in my mouth. I said they will get more reports, I never said they are incapable of dealing with it, or making their call on those reports. Let me state it again, since you just cant grasp it - There is in game mechanics to deal with language, and there is no need to report every word that triggers you!
I will agree though, that abuse of the new changes may lead to additional warnings/repercussions due to false reports/abusing the reporting system. How much do you want to bet that scenario will happen 100x more often when reporting someones foul language vs a clan that is exploiting or undermeshing/cheating etc?
I missed the part where I said to remove the rulesâŠI said, it was an unnecessary change that will not improve anythingâŠheck why am I just repeating myself after every time I have to quote you being wrong?
THANK YOU for admitting you are not contributing to the actual discussion, but rather are trollingâŠwhich, if Im not mistaken is against the forum rules. But, Ill leave it at that and ask that @Ignasi close this thread since it is no longer worth talking with trolls.
As a pre-Crisis haberdashed and Esquire-Mag-subscribed gentleman, snowflake goes back even farther, to mean one who opposed the abolition of slavery. This was the late 1800s, once again proving etymology can be deadly serious and simultaneously ridiculous. At one point, it was a neologism, which took time to adopt, die out, then adapt and come back in full force. Sounds familiar, and spookily germane.
One of my journalism colleagues in Michigan said he was covering a courthouse today, and his cameraman got a blocking protestor to back up by calling him a snowflake. However, as he did so, the picketer settled his hand on his holstered open-carry. Just goes to show now, as in the 1870s, is a terrible time to be calling each other names.
Letâs all be safe out there, but truly, call me anything in the game you like. I broadcast, therefore off goes the chat. 
Heâs not a troll. But even if I didnât believe that already, nothing you quoted could be interpreted that way. It reads to me as if heâs doing a public service to with any hope attempt to steer this conversation away from a particular sawhorse. Which you are riding.
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@Nemisis As a relative newbie here with no horse in this race, youâre pretty argumentative for the sake of arguing from what Iâm reading. Further, you accuse others of trolling while hanging back just behind the lines of any kind of forum repercussion, which is a troll trademark.
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And teach the other side that bad behaviour will have no consequences?
No. Sorry. Wrong way.
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And you just did the same thing, called me a troll very politely as to avoid forum punishment.
Pot, meet kettle.
We have to be civil in discussions, and we can have our points of view. I can see very few see this debate from my side, and thatâs fine. In the days this thread has evolved, I have been chatting with the Conan group that used to play withâŠand they have gotten quite a few laughs as well. But, I guess you hang with like minded people so its to be expectedâŠand I can see these forums changing to that too.
Well that depends if your talking about actions vs words. Actions yes, should have repercussions, but words, thatâs a different story. I guess the forums, that majority of its users, and Funcom believe that any negative words should be censored, deleted or punishedâŠwhich we can see from flagged comments. I had one in another thread that was flagged for the line âthe squeeky wheel gets the greaseâ.
Bottom line, the minority wont change the minds of the majority, no matter the cause. Its ok, though. Next on the list of things to discuss is consensual pvp, where you must ask the other players permission before fighting them. I think its a good idea to explore since you would hate to be reported for harrassment or griefing, for jumping someone when they donât see you coming.
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Nah. Your MO is conflict. Itâs not about discussion with you and youâre clearly a contrarian. Like I said, Iâm new here so itâs not like I have anyone to need to side with over this.
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As I mentioned, previously:
"People will be offended by many things. Some are obvious; racist, sexist, culturally derogatory, and homophobic names. "
But itâs not âbad language,â itâs racist, sexist, culturally derogatory, and homophobic.
What good is done by allowing such things in a private community? What harm is done by preventing it?
At the heart of it, it is Funcomâs call.
This talk of censorship displays a profound misunderstanding of the word and the EULA to which we all agreed to play the game.
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This is a private community governed by the EULA. There is [no] freedom of speech, [only] allowed, or disallowed speech.
This is a basic fact.
[Edited for clarity]
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Even if it wasnât a private community, his objection is absurd: âIf there is a penalty, or some responsibility that comes from it, it is not FREE speech.â As if that somehow invalidates or even addresses the fact that the freedom of speech is never absolute and for good reasons.
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Didnât say free speech existed inside the game.
Yes, your freedoms are absolute. Thatâs why they are called freedoms. Anything that has penalties, restrictions, responsibilities etc, then it is no longer a freedom, but a privilege. Example, in the US, you can say anything you want to, without calling for action, or for violenceâŠso you can say anything you want, even if its hurtful. Now, that doesnât mean that person is correct, or that its not ignorant, but they have the right to say it. Now, take driving for example. Ive seen lots of people argue about driving being a ârightâ when it is indeed a privilege. There are rules to follow, and consequences if you do not.
On free speech, the US needs to be thankful that they have it. Enjoy it, and the fact you have it, since there is very few if any other countries that allow that.
So you canât say anything you want to. Also, those arenât the only restrictions the US imposes on free speech â there are also libel and slander laws, among others. As with everything else in a civilized society where the rule of law applies, there are rules to follow and consequences if you do not.
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Itâs a good start! Making the official servers not be an entire lag show is also a good idea.
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