Umm… I don’t know if you’ve ever been in a crowded space where someone starts being verbally aggressive and no one does anything… it tends to go very badly in real life. Not only does it go very badly, but usually someone ends up getting hurt while everyone else is busy keeping their head down. This is NOT a healthy community when it happens. It’s generally the type of public space people start avoiding.
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Just wanna let everyone know, on PlayStation we haven’t had game chat for a couple years now. I’d be happy to even have the ability to request muting and blocking. We don’t even get the chat part. 
Ive been around my fair share of trolls and toxic people in the various PvP and shooter games, heck I just encountered what one could call a toxic player in Hunt Showdown. A team rolled up on me, and after engaging in some shooting, they proceeded to hurl profanity at me, simply for playing the game. After a couple mins of them doing it, they quit - because I never engaged. I have seen things escalate when you do engage.
So, while Im not saying that people must do what I do, I do speak alot from personal experience. The easiest way to deal with toxic chat and rude people is simply to ignore them.
No, not at all. People can handle these situations as they like. I will still just laugh and shake my head when I see people reporting and attempting to ban people for things they say. Thats just me. Feel free to handle it however you like!
Ill agree that such things are incredibly ignorant, rude and have no place in society. However, it cant be stopped, society has degraded so much in the last 20 years, I cant see us ever going back to being completely civilized. At least not in the next generation. Ban one here, another appears. It wont end unless you shut down official servers that dont have active moderation. You would literally spend a whack of time chasing your tail and pulling your hair out of your head dealing with this over and over again. Maybe some people take a sense of accomplishment when they report someone and they get banned? Dont know, and I dont care. You do you, Ill do me. You can report and hope for a ban, Ill laugh it off and ignore them.
Not at all. I dont justify language like that.
No one says you have to. But they exist, and they will always exist. Cut a head off the snake, another will appear. Its a neverending issue.
They shouldnt. It is that simple like you said. Id call them all a** holes and then either mute or ignore them so the problem goes away. (Then Id likely raid the hell out of them until they left the server, odds are you could find yourself about 30 allies on the server to help too!) Feel free to report them, not mute them, and let them carry on. The decision is ultimately up to the player to decide. But there will never be an ending to these types of people. Ill agree, its sad.
Eh, no.
I like the beer!
That you can get at the grocery store for 1/10th the price.
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I hop from thread to thread…which is maybe, one or two every few weeks when its a topic I have an opinion on. Wait, why cant people engage on the forums?
Cool, I dont troll on the forums thats against the ToS. You are free to think of me whatever you like, Ive made opinions on several people here too!
Yes, they likely would. Let say your on a street and someone does this. I mean, I guess you could call the police and depending on the country you are in, some free speech laws may or may not exist. But, why not just turn your head and walk away from the problem?
Well, if things got physical, that becomes a different story. If were solely talking about people saying things, thats way different.
Seems like people think I like that kind of behaviour despite me repeatedly saying I dont. People assume that, and completely ignore or bypass when I say the easiest thing is ignoring them. Maybe its just the way I was raised, that if someone is acting like that, to pay no attention to them. Let them show the world how terrible of a person they are.
Edit: I was just thinking while watching a youtube video and it reminded me of the early days of when we played Conan. I was reminded of the fights we always had against the exploiting chinese that were all over NA servers at that time. They used to stream on a chinese streaming service, and we had one clan member actually find a streamer who was on our server that we fought against. He translated the chat and what they said (and anyone who has pvp’ed against other countries where there is a language barrier…well, you dont mince words. They would say things that would make a sailor blush. Anyways, on their stream, they frequently talked about how “we” the players, were the game - and not the game itself. They took pride on exploiting to grief people, and to curse them out.
Learning that likely is also why I have learned to laugh things off and ignore it, because, well after months on end of it, you get used to it. To each their own in the end though.
Lol, not in Canada… 
Its all a symptom of the same problem. People not standing up for others and remaining silent. People think it a “bigger thing” to let these things go. I would say the “bigger person” does something about it.
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You know what’s even easier? Ignore them, and then report them so they get suspended or banned. You know why it’s easier? Because you don’t have to keep ignoring them once they face the consequences of their actions.
Yeah, we get it. As @Oduda put it – rudely, but accurately – we’ve all had plenty of opportunity to hear your opinion on how much better you are 
I don’t think we’ve ever been “completely civilized”, but we’ve been where we’ve been not because people shrugged and said “that’s just human nature, can’t be helped”, but because people actively worked to improve that human nature.
Part of that work is to teach people to be empathetic and understanding and put themselves in others’ shoes and all that. The other part of that work is to show them that not doing that has consequences they won’t like.
True, you’re careful to clarify you don’t justify language like that after someone confronts you for giving support to people who do justify language like that
So is death, yet we try to live as long as we can. So is entropy, yet we keep existing. Spare me the nihilism.
Except when the problem doesn’t go away. You know, because a bunch of other people don’t want to tolerate them and now you’re seeing their half of the conversation. Like I explained before.
And this is where you tell me yet again that you’re not really saying that people should act the way you do, but all of the reasons why we want to deal with this our way are bad
Sure, you could. Just dont think that if one person gets banned, it will end.
I swatted a mosquito that was biting me. Doenst mean the rest will avoid me. Thats all Im saying
Ok, then do it. No one will stop you. Dont be mad or think thats superior to people who can ignore such behaviour, or choose to handle it a different way. Odd how I say that people can do as they choose, and while I may find it funny, I dont belittle them for their choice…and you cant say that.
Heck, I can say that exact line about alot of people here too, but I dont. We can all have our opinions, and if I recall, Ive never once stated Im better then anyone, nor even suggested it. If you try to use this thread and my point of view on it as me claiming a moral superiority…then by you countering me are you not doing the same thing?
True, a utopian society where everyone gets along has never been around before, but I refer back 20-30 years ago, if not even 40. People had more respect for each other. There wasnt as much hatred for others as there is now. Heck, Id love to return to the late 80’s early 90’s, for the way people were.
Ignoring something doesnt mean its justified. Doesnt matter how you try to spin that, Ive said plenty of times how I feel about that behaviour. We both see a problem, and have two different solutions, both of which work for us. No more, no less.
So banning 1 or 2 toxic players on a server will end it all? Come on, you know it wont. Sooner or later another will come along.
Not “bad” I just dont see the point in it when it doesnt solve anything. Throwing a cup of water on a house fire is helping, but it wont extinguish the fire.
I guess the point I was making is that when you choose to play on a server, you’re there to interact with other players. If you ignore everybody, then it sort of defeats the purpose of playing there.
Now I am going to go a bit off topic to sort of explain why having a medium with toned down language even among adults is not a bad thing.
When I am with friends, especially veteran buddies, some of the stuff we say or joke about is just entirely not acceptable in 95% of communities. Some of the memes posted in just the last 10 minutes aren’t anywhere acceptable even on these forums, I can’t even hint at what they were without violating at least 5 forum guidelines.
But those are my friends. These are people I served in either AIT with or in actual permament duty stations with. We have a pretty tight friendship. When I am in a public place such as a store, a municipal building, or even on a public game server. The people I am around are not by buddies. I don’t need them to be saying some off the wall crap because 9 times out of 10, they aren’t doing it to be clever, funny, or even ironic. They are either being negative, or reacting to something negative.
When I am around my friends and one of them has a negative experience, I have no issue helping them. I know them, I trust them. A random stranger I don’t know if the experience they are going through is self inflicted, or if they are lashing out, or whatever nonsense it is. I don’t want to sound apathetic to strangers, but we all have our issues and we sometimes don’t have the ability or the energy to take on more.
And to be honest, when I’m playing video games, I am wanting to relax and not play bartender. But this is why I prefer environments when dealing with pick up groups, servers, and other similar gaming situations with random strangers to be PG/PG-13.
I’ve got my personal friends when I need to vent and they have me. I like to have a bit of wholesomeness in my life when I’m not in venting mode. There’s a reason why the few streamers I do happen to watch are part of a group called Speedrunners Keeping it PG who all play old NES games.
At the end of the day it has nothing to do about offending people, or cursing around kids ‘that shouldn’t be playing 18+ games’, or any of that mess. I don’t have kids that are going to hear bad man on internet, I’m not offended by crude jokes. I just don’t want the baggage those people tend to bring. I think most people are like that.
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You don’t solve toxic people in any games by just ignoring them. In fact you don’t try to solve something that can’t be solved. The only thing you can do is banning them when they appear. Each time.
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I can agree with all that, and its actually rather similar to me as well. A discord that Im in posts and jokes alot of NSFW stuff that I could never post here, or that Id say in public as well…and thats because we as friends know we are joking and having a laugh.
Ill add here that by having Funcom remove the player list, it killed chat in a hurry, since people could now remain anonymous by not talking in chat. I think I brought that point up in a discussion about that, or at least agreed with it. That move killed alot of “community” on servers too.
People are literally trying to stop me from doing that. This is the second thread that argues that I shouldn’t be able to do that.
I’m not “mad” that you ignore that behavior. I’m not even “mad” that you choose to ignore that behavior when you can choose to fight it. To be precise, I’m not mad at all, but never mind that.
I do think it’s better to choose to fight it when you can, rather than choosing to ignore it, just like you think it’s better to choose to ignore it. And yes, I do believe that “better” and “superior” could be used interchangeably here, because I think that it’s “better” in moral terms.
That said, you’re misrepresenting my purpose for participating in these threads.
Incidentally, yes. I’m not even hiding that.
What I’m pointing out is that, unlike you, I’m contributing to the topic itself. The topic is, quite clearly, about how Funcom should not ban people for their speech because you can mute that speech on your end.
I hope that we’re now on the same page when it comes to that.
That’s debatable, but it’s the kind of debate that doesn’t belong on these forums.
I didn’t say it was. I can clarify what I was saying, if you need me to: I’m saying that you come to a thread that is trying to defend this behavior, write about how it’s better to just ignore it, get called out, and then clarify that you don’t really justify this behavior yourself.
And then they get banned. Rinse and repeat.
Better than 1 or 2 toxic players staying there and becoming 40 toxic players.
But throwing a cup of water on a spark will prevent it from becoming a house fire.
Anyway, I’m going to stop arguing with you whether “my way” or “your way” is better, because that’s not the main point. The main point is whether we should be allowed to do things “my way”.
Topic is should Funcom ban people for toxic chat, and you claim yes they should, and I say no because we can mute them.
Were contributing the same, just two different sides.
But actually, in the OP, it never states they defend the behaviour, and Ive never defended it either.
Easier, and the outcome produces the same as if you manage to get someone banned. It ends for a while, until the next comes along.
Heck people do that now just when they see my name.
Maybe you should have started with asking me the question first then, before making the assumption that I was in favor of it. I explained several times my point of view on it, and thats never changed.
And if youre ok with doing that over and over, have at it. Just like the OP and people like me have to keep clicking the mute button.
And we rinse and repeat, and do it all over again, never solving the problem.
Allowed? Sure, do whatever you like, or rather the player can do whatever they like. The OP was “shocked” to learn of the mute button and sees it as a better option then banning, and potential revenue loss from banned players (although I doubt toxic people are buying crom coins lol). You disagree.
Oh I dont doubt that.
So you’re not “just saying that ignoring toxic chat is better” and that “no one will stop me” from reporting people in order to get them banned for toxic chat. You’re saying that Funcom should not ban people for toxic chat, i.e. I should not be able to report people for toxic chat in order to get them banned.
Glad we sorted that out and you can’t flip-flop yet again.
…oh, who am I kidding…
It’s almost as if consistently acting a certain way sets expectations…
Except I’m not the one arguing that you shouldn’t be able to do that.
First of all, you know that’s bullshіt. The OP got banned for what they said in chat – at least, that’s what they claim – and then proceeded to make two threads about that. Pretty much everyone can see through that.
But it’s really not necessary to see through that, because OP has literally argued against Funcom banning people for toxic speech, on both threads.
Anyway, this is as far as I go with you. Like I said above, I know what you do with these threads and, unlike @DeaconElie, I don’t think I’ll achieve anything by indulging you.
By now, everyone on this thread who hasn’t already gotten to know your patterns here should have enough material to form a clear opinion. If they’re can’t see through your sophistry or they’re okay with it, making this longer won’t change their minds 
No, but that’s one annoying mosquito that won’t bother you, or anyone else, anymore. Just like perma-banning an annoying mosquito for making annoying noises on a public server.
Besides, banning that one mosquito from servers tells everyone, not just other mosquitoes, that such behavior is not tolerated. It sends a message. It tells the good and honest people that if they’re bothered by a mosquito on the server, someone will come and swat it.
Besides, even though I don’t much appreciate misbehaving people, I still believe they’re more capable of learning from the fate of others than actual mosquitoes are. So swat enough of them, and the rest may learn to behave. Maybe it won’t change the way they think, but it may change the way they act.
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