Ok but there are literally school and tutors in chess that costs more per hour than most of us make in a week. Why each games starts the same, the players playing can purchase experience bonuses
You own servers too long my friend that you forgot how difficult is to populate a new server! Then again, how difficult is to learn how to see the “weeds” fast and take them of before they grow. If you own a server and you have the keys to literally everything, the game tastes different! Not to mention that at the time you are having fun a complain completely out of nowhere will pop up like… D… mushroom to ruin your fun time. It’s easy to blame admins for many but it’s not an easy thing to be an admin. The vanilla tools are so little, the bug problems many, g portal unstable… It’s hard!
So especially people who have the opportunity to play the game they like careless and money is not an issue for them, they will choose this direction. A well organized server, populated with a “community” that pleases the user.
It’s the “approach” that makes me sick, not the fact that some people try to make an extra from gaming. Like @Taemien said if a server plays too long and is actually very well organized there’s nothing wrong to have a donation system so this server will pay the bills to stay alive. But donation, not mandatory after i visited your server and spend some hours on it. If it is to have this mandatory say it from the very beginning. Then again… If you sell with real money comforts on a competitive version of the game that’s more or less cheating! On pvp servers admins must give nothing else than things that lost from game issues, or rule violations, nothing else, because this affects the competition of the game. Not always the best wins, sometimes the best tactic wins or luck in games. Giving help to another to answer fast, erase the happiness of winning and creates unpleasant feelings, unfair! It’s these actions and “more” that’s pushing people to official servers.
I find this incorrect on PlayStation servers. What has been done however some time now is that the best servers are locked with key. If you wish to participate you must have an interview first. Yes we have living rooms in Conan exiles, but this was the only way for some people either to have stability on their servers, either not to be employees on their own server. Can’t blame them!
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Dude im not against subscription on servers im speaking about P2W - which is paying money for ADVANTAGE - in that case you start with stone weapons on beach and try to fight dude with epic gear - good luck even if you are pro skilled you are dead.
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You just compared schools and chess tutors to having more pawns in chess game?
What kind of logic is that?
Yeah i should specify its PC only and PVP only - pve and pve-c seems don’t suffer same desease. Console is mostly clean but i don’t really know as i never played on consoles.
Servers with key are usually not populated and they lack that thing where fresh players / flesh blood keeps comming in and game feels stale - not my thing unfortunatelly.
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Why does anyone care what a private person does with their own server that they are paying for anyway!? Several other options available: 1) don’t join it; 2) get your own server and do your own thing; 3) join official server. Me personally, I have explored various servers and enjoy the variety of rules available. They highlight different aspects of the game. One server, stealing is the thing, another, combat, etc. This keeps Conan fresher IMO as I’ve been playing several years and game content has grown stale and the adds haven’t really spiced it up much. And if people wanna pay to play, thats their deal as long as I have an option to avoid it.
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- id like to but all populated servers are like this so there’s nowhere to play except some 10/40 players servers
- that’s hard thing to do, you have no idea how hard it is to have playerbase
- Good luck with official servers - feeled with che ters, ha ckers, 5h raid window (you have to play 5 h everyda - good luck with having personal life)
The same logic that compares CE to chess. I actually dream of the day others would take a more strategic viewpoint of the game and play that way.
But to my point, the knowledge is far more important than an additional handful of pawns.
Ok so your beef is with getting a headstart with resource collection, right? And what about all of those players that are already established in the server when you first show up? They only thing this does is gets the player up to competition level faster. Because of the nature of the game being unfair to those just starting out, the only p2w aspect that can be taken seriously is obtaining something no other player can have without paying…the game is heavily slanted towards established players do cries about fairness due to access to goods outside their level but considered common when mature should fall on deaf ears.
Yeah headstart with BIS gear and acutally EVERYTHING you need is a problem as i said earlier - im gonna spawn with stone tools while such people will have BIS gear - i have 0 chance to win fight or even run away most of cases. That’s one example, games should be fair, people with cash shouldn’t have advantages otherwise it would be battle of wallets.
No its not the same p2w teritory starts when YOU PAY to have an advantage and thats clearly a case, if you have advantage by another case then its different discusion.
But stop derailing my topic, its not about p2w definition but about state of servers and if it’s legal to sell ingame stuff on own server (i may believe it breaks TOS)
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I doubt that tools is what makes or breaks your gameplay. But I would agree that you have 0 chance of fighting someone established on there server fresh out of the desert.
The tool advantage only quickens their leveling to a mature pvp level. I fail to see how quickening the speed to become mature and get resources is p2w when you already have clans on the server with hundreds of explosives and an entrenched the base at keyhole.
In fact I sort of think it’s genius to have these types of things as items in the Bazaar. A 300 cc token that automatically puts you at level 60 sounds like a win for the pvp players and FC as grinding levels to get into pvp action is worth approximately 3 bucks of you money to save that time. I don’t see this as p2w. Not even remotely. It’s just advancing your progression and if pvp is truly about pvp, it’s gets more players into a pvp ready state and more action, faster.
As for legalities of server providers to recoup costs by having these things in their servers…I don’t know but I’m pretty sure FC is fine with it as long as they aren’t taking sales away from them (ie not competitive to the owner). If it gets larger, it may be worthy going after a piece of that pie for intellectual property but right now? Nah
Not tool advantage but literally eveyrthing, bis gear - weapons / armor.
Yeah just put more cash shop items in bazaar that are pw2 and completelly disable leveling / progression feature - are you working for Funcom?
Stop derailing this thread offtopic - its not discussion whenever p2w is fine for you or not.
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Yes i agree donations are fine but having yuuge advantage with cash is just not right - as i said it become wallet battle, not conan savage fight.
Im not pretty sure FC is fine with it and that’s why i sent them detailed information on zendesk - question on legal matter and their statement on it.
EDIT: Spelling
As long as they are still called donations, I do not think FC can do anything about it. It will be interesting to hear their reply to your Zendesk ticket though.
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Time is money.
You have time, you spend time.
Others have money, they spend money.
P2W?
Dragonpowder, admin wipes are P2W.
Basic supplies that you can mindlessly farm is not.
No I get that, and appreciate it. I was speaking mostly about Exiled Lands where it isn’t a meat grinder like our vicious Siptah.
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If You play game and enjoy only half of it and pay to AVOID rest of it (pve for example with a bit of pvp contest) then you should pick different game.
Seriously since when it become ‘standard’ to PAY to SKIP game? If its not fun for you to farm then play different game.
To be honest i’d to pay monthly sub to play on populated pvp server with official ruleset, 2~ max raid time and 60~ slots.
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I came to PC from PS, where to play multiplayer we’ve got to subscribe to PS Plus. It’s a low bar, but it seems to keep all the riff and/or raff away. Not to rip on the PC as I love the PC Community too, but without an Entry Fee, any and every weirdo can feel free to descend on whichever and as many servers as she wants.
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I yhink the issuenis ifnyhey are using free mods. Maybe modders should charge fornthier mods? Or can they based on the ToS of the devkit? If not then, then i believe FC should step in on modded servers charging due to that connection. Just my opinion. Maybe a list where it shows which servers have the mod, and a modder can block it if they feel a server is monetarily benifiiting off thier free wrok???