Yes, and I’m saying that’s an arbitrary line to draw if the complaint is about it being “unrealistic and non-functional in such an environment”.
If, on the other hand, the complaint is about sexualization being forced on a certain group, or the imbalance in the choice of sexualized outfits, then I’m 100% behind that complaint, but my suggestion is to deal with it by balancing out the choice of sexualized outfits.
Lastly, if the complaint is about sexualization for no other reason than “sexualization bad, period”, then that’s a shallow, knee-jerk reaction that stems from the influence of puritanism in certain cultures that tend to dominate the discourse these days.
Possibly, but I wasn’t referring to the failure to adhere to source material. Adhering to the source material would have ensured the movie was a good adaptation, but it wouldn’t necessarily make it a good movie.
I learned that lesson the hard way: I used to say Peter Jackson’s LOTR movies were bad movies. They’re not. As movies go, they’re okay or even good. But they’re a piss poor adaptation of the books.
So maybe the 80’s Conan movies would’ve been better if they didn’t have De Camp meddling in them. Or maybe not. But casting Arnie definitely butchered that role and the movies would’ve been better with someone else as Conan.
Dude, you’re the one who brought high heels into the conversation. No one was requesting those, and I’m not requesting them either. Are you really going to cherry-pick that and ignore everything else I’ve said?
That is because you are on the other side of said line.
Uhh… This has pretty much been a thing since… humans have been a thing? OK probably not quite that long. But it is the root behind the entire subject. And the imbalance has always existed.
Totally agree. Again, I am not against the outfits. Everyone is free to chose to wear whatever they want.
Agree with you there as well.
Eh, the 2011 Conan movie wasn’t any better (honestly, it was pretty awful) and that had a good actor playing the roll.
It is possibly you could be correct. Though I do believe that an actual movie based on the works of Robert E. Howard with the character of Conan as he was portrayed by Robert E. Howard would be vastly superior to any of the movies, tv shows or cartoon series that we have gotten so far. But we are extremely unlikely to ever know because hollywood script writers are … what they are.
I cannot comment. I enjoyed the movies. I attempted to read the Hobbit but his writing style… I just could not force myself to get through that book. FFS get to the bloody point already…
I am with @Graywarden and am all for some additional sexy and seductive outfits for our dancing sirens. Some more decadent and aesthetically pleasing attire would further showcase the lavish and opulent lifestyles of our characters and compliment our meteoric rise. More sexy clothing options please.
And all that I’ve been saying from that point on is that anyone objecting to sexualized armor just because it’s sexualized – or because it’s not functional, or because it’s not realistic – is missing the point.
Forcing sexual objectification on someone is bad. Offering skewed choices so one group has significantly fewer non-objectifying choices is also bad.
But having a free choice to wear something that has no other purpose than to make you look desirable to anyone with compatible sexual preferences? I’m good with that. Let’s have that. And let’s have it for male characters in equal measure.
Can’t comment, didn’t see it. I did see both of the 80’s Conan movies. “Destroyer” was downright bad. “Barbarian” had a lot of good aspects, though, as movies go. And I think that casting someone else as Conan is all that would have been necessary to take it from a movie with niche following to a really good movie.
Maybe I should have explained it more clearly.
In fact, the way Funcom designed most of the sets or individual pieces is really well done, and personally, I find them aesthetically pleasing. None of them seem forced in any way.
That’s why I particularly enjoy the items from the BP’s as they offer a wider variety compared to the DLCs. Apart from the criticized fillers that serve no real purpose, most of the items are great for decorating various RolePlay settings.
Don’t get me wrong – I am not criticizing any privately modded (PC) servers at the moment. However, the amount of kink, fetish, and adult-themed clutter found on the majority of them is truly astonishing.
Many people may not even be aware of the extreme content that can be encountered on such servers. Naturally, controversial themes attract attention, and things can escalate even further.
Yes.
No - I won’t react on anything, anymore you write
Thanks. I think the clarification you posted here is helpful. From what I’ve read, it looks like you personally object to some stuff you’ve seen on private servers and don’t want to see that stuff in the non-modded game.
I’m not sure what you find “forced” or not, but Derketo Acolyte outfit is blatantly sexualized. You need no mods to get it, and it serves no other purpose than to sexualize the character.
Glad you’re honest about it
No one’s forcing you to. Which is kinda the point I was trying to make about giving people choices what to wear, as long as those choices are fair
Destroyer I remember as fairly bad, Barbarian I enjoyed much more. The 2011 film my only real memory is disappointment (I think I actually remember more of the Kev Sorbo ‘Kull’ film - well, it had the name ‘Kull’ involved anyway, if not the character…)
For me, I find Tolkein to be a good writer, but not a particularly good story-teller - but as a world/history builder, I feel he earns that ‘father of fantasy’ tag (controversial though I’m sure that may be ). I’d say I’ve had more enjoyment over the years from the deeper exploration of middle-earth, than from the Hobbit or Lord of the Rings themselves. (And I’ve recently been quite enjoying a channel on youtube called ‘In Deep Geek’ examining different aspects of the Legendarium, which has got me reading the Silmarillion again.) As ‘story-telling’ I actually prefer the LotR films to the book (an unusual situation for me) - I guess it’s kinda like a different person’s retelling of the same events, if that makes sense?
In some ways I view REH as a bit of an ‘equal and opposite’ - I don’t feel that he is quite as good a writer as Tolkein, but I feel he is a far better story-teller. Certainly he didn’t develop the Hyborian Age in as much detail as Middle Earth (though, perhaps if he had lived longer), but his stories feel more ‘in the moment’, where Tolkein’s feel a little more like history.
But as @CodeMage says, that’s all just a matter of personal taste
And have typed all this, I now realise how off-topic it is. OP, please feel free to flag if you’d rather it was gone (or just tell me, and I’ll delete it).
As to the actual topic - my feeling is much the same as CodeMage here - sensual, sexy, sexualised (and, also important, non-sexualised) all good if done even-handed. More choice is always good. (And while we’re at it, maybe someone could train the male characters to become full bipeds, rather than their current shambling apemen selves )
This one doesn’t necessarily disagree with your points.
This one is, however, still chewing the differences between sexy and sexualized.
Would an outfit that is sexy on a professional entertainer then be considered sexualized on someone with a different profession?
Stripper boots are fine for strippers but less so for bouncers?
One of the things this one would note obliquely is that the characters and NPCs are all Exiles.
One could argue they may be trudging thru the swamp in the clothes they are most accustomed to.
But moreover, and there is a Mammoth in the room that we possibly must note of sexualization is a thing that is forced…
The majority of NPC followers (altho there are other options now) are slaves. The enslaved wear what their master/mistress tells them to. Further, many of the NPCs found in camps, especially bearers and dancers, are implied to not necessarily be of the faction they serve and may already be property people, even beyound what the bracelet forces.
No to go on the full tangent of the morality of keeping digital NPCs as peons and prisoners with jobs, but it may be a factor, for internal consistency.
The player can dress their character as they please, especially with the illusion system, one isn’t running thru the jungle in stiletto heels. One is running thru water in plated boots dweomered to look like thigh highs. Running thru swamps wearing sabatons is also somewhat unrealistic, but for very different reasons.
I have to agree that terms like forced or sexualized are rather vague. Therefore, any argument built upon them is weak. However, if someone sees items that are explicitly used in adult entertainment or as adult toys, I wonder if such items could still be misunderstood.
The term skimpy is also problematic, as there is a wide range between a bikini and a burqa. This is why I am basing my argument on the tribal concept. In the South (warmer regions), garments tend to be either less or more sensual, such as silk, cotton, or linen, while in the North (colder regions), clothing is typically more covering and made of heavier materials like thick linen, leather, or fur.
I am pleased to see that there is an exception that explains as clearly as possible what might be meant by forced.
The Derketo Acolyte Robe looks to me rather forced.
On the female model, it resembles items taken from BDSM or fetish culture. Personally, I do not appreciate this. I have always used only the skirt with the Bejewelled Chains.
I’m not attacking you or criticizing your personal preferences. I just wanted it to be clear that it’s your own personal taste, rather than an argument about realism, practicality, tribal clothing, forced objectification, or any of those things.
You simply don’t want any outfits that serve no other purpose than to make the character sexually appealing, even if it’s something supported by the in-game lore and setting.
Its ether anime fancy outfits, or just t__s out for no reason other then t__s out. (nothing wrong with them as a whole… not what I want)
One of them kinda removes certain bits. So not everyone has underwear on. Pretty sure I don’t have it installed since it was for another body type which didn’t look good with one armor mod that breaks down all base game clothes in smaller bits. Win/lose… on that.
Sonja armor is part of set of mods… so never got use it.
Personally… some more types of Jewel/Silver sets.
More “normal” clothes. They don’t need be full outfits… they can be simple clothewrap around chest and runic on waist…
Design team… like to add more, just over tops it everytime.
More Armors that stop at “Armors” They don’t tack on shoulder pads, and al this extra stuff…
Most of New Armors… are 20% cool looking, 80% why in hell did you add all extra stuff on it…
I’d love a normal leather armor… but I know they could never do it. They would add belts, and wraps and shoulder pads… knee pads and just ruin it.
Also abit mad they switch Earrings… use to be a nice small loop, now most of them are huge studs and crazy looking and stick out werid.
Had go back to varring earring to have “normal”…
But it is the root behind the entire subject. And the imbalance has always existed.
This!