Hey boys and girls, I am working on a web application to address some of the issues I have seen many people discuss since the game released. Below are some of the things this application will offer. If you can think of anything that you would like to see included please let me know. Matchmaking - I have 3 different Queue’s I have thought of which I will describe below along with a poll. Teams will be balanced based on Elo. Both teams will be required to have 2 healers each, no more than 2 tanks, no more than 2 mages, and no more than 2 rogues for a match to be made. Elo - Rating associated with an individuals character. Winning results in points being added and losing results in points being lost. Ranks - S = 1% A = 7% B = 21% C = 21% D = 21% E = 21% F = 8% Premade - 2 organized teams playing each other, this will allow for sets to be organized and the results of each game to persist (can be used in stats analyzing) Tournament - a series of premades resulting in tournament placings. Stats - Character win/loses, Character kill/death, matchup statistics (how well does osid perform when he is against teslarr), really any kind of aggregation that can be done against wins/loses, kills/deaths, team makeup, and time ranges will be possible. Teams - pretty straight forward. a group of players that can challenge another team to a premade or join a tournament. Parties - One thing that many of my friends enjoyed was when we could sign up for minigames together. I think this would be great to bring back for Matchmaking. The limit I thought of should be 3 or 4 players grouped max. Punishment - cheaters, afkers, leavers, etc. will be punished. When playing in a match made game or a premade users will be able to start a vote which if it reaches enough approval the user being reported will have a punishment handed out. I.E if player A sees player B hiding his gear he can start a vote indicating the issue. All other participants will be notified of the issue and can vote to agree or disagree with the accusation within some predefined time (30 seconds or something). I’m not sure how many reports need to take place before temp/permanent bans need to start being dealt out. Voice chat - this will be integrated with discord so when you join a match made game you will be provided a link to join a channel in discord for your match and your team. Matchmaking Queues: Classic - 6v6 Team Deathmatch. Everyone will be required to turn on equipment viewing. All participants will be required to either wear PVP tier 1 gear or PVE tier 3 and below gear (no T3 crafted weapons). NO khitai gear. NO RF rings. NO chaos rings. NO pit fighters/gladiators accessories. NO runes PERIOD. NO store bought potions. NO refined potions. NO KHITAI BLESSINGS. NO LODESTONES. NO ASTROLABES. NO MORPHS. IF YOU NEED TO CONSUME SOMETHING THAT GIVES YOU A LIMITED TIME BONUS IT IS PROBABLY BANNED. If you feel that the pvp tier 1 rings lack protection, there is a protection ring, the crafting recipe drops in crows nest and the rings can be bought from the trader. If you have any questions about whether a piece of gear is allowed please ask in this thread. [image] Unchained - 6v6 Team Deathmatch. Everyone will be required to turn on equipment viewing. PVE T1-T4 is allowed, PVP T1-T3 is allowed, NO RF rings. NO chaos rings. NO runes PERIOD. NO store bought potions. NO refined potions. NO KHITAI BLESSINGS. NO LODESTONES. NO MORPHS. NO ASTROLABES. IF YOU NEED TO CONSUME SOMETHING THAT GIVES YOU A LIMITED TIME BONUS IT IS PROBABLY BANNED. If you are worried about protection in the ring accessory slot use the pvp 6 Highlord’s Band of Slaughter. [image] Quick Match - You will be placed in either a classic or unchained match depending on which queue meets the requirements for a match to begin first. Polls: How many players should be allowed to queue together? poll Are you satisfied with the matchmaking queue options? poll Which maps should be available for matchmaking? poll Do you want separate queues based on Elo (low ranking players only get matched with low ranking players and high ranking players only get matched with high ranking players)? I am not sure if there is enough of a population for this but I’d like to gauge the communities opinion on the subject. poll Would you like to see capture the flag or some other game type offered (Kings, etc.)? poll Do you agree with the ranking distribution? poll If there is anything I missed or you have any questions please let me know. I have made pretty good progress on the application already and I think I can have the matchmaking ready in the next couple of weeks. The reporting system will probably go live a few weeks after the release as that will be a bit more involved.

[image] MyStygga: Nothing you listed makes this impossible at all. Care to propose at least some workarounds for the issues I listed?

I’ll let the man with the plan explain. He’s thought about many of the issues you brought up and seems confident about some possible solutions.

[image] Momentum: You can’t really rely on combat logs for such things. It’s a mess then it comes to real combat, especially in pvp. You won’t be able to determine k/d from logs. Even if you somehow resolve problem with range (your combatlog is limited in range around your character). So you can’t determine it from 1 person perspective. Exactly the only way this can reliably work is to have everyone have the combat log running. You need the log of the damage dealer and the one having damage dealt to them. [image] Momentum: And forcing everyone to log is not a good idea, because of the different languages (logs gonna be in the same language, as client, which means: russian, german, spanish, french, polish. And some things are not accurate in different languages. For example, some offhand attacks are not shown in russian logs.). Even if you find a way to write combatlogs in english, by using some game key you are gonna hit troubles with synchronizing this mess. Would it be out of line to ask players to use the english client? If that is too much to ask then I can create a translation of each ability/combo and translate a given text to english. Regarding things missing in particular language logs. The only time that would be an issue would be if say a russian white hit a russian and no one else was around to have that hit parse on their log. [image] Momentum: And all of this doesn’t matter because of such things: Sometimes people became “Strangers” in logs (happens then they die and for some other reasons). Take a look: [23:09:55] Stranger’s Upheaval hits Mr.Goo for 124 slashing damage. [23:09:56] Stranger’s Curse of Gwahlur hits Mr.Goo for 13 unholy damage. [23:09:56] Stranger’s Upheaval hits Mr.Goo for 124 slashing damage. [22:57:45] Stranger’s Curse of Gwahlur hits you for 30 unholy damage. [23:11:30] Stranger’s Life of Set (Rank 6) heals you for 231. The stranger problem is completely solvable when everyone is parsing. The ones listed above are actually from a third parties parse. You can find the name of stranger by going to Mr.Goo’s parse to see who hit him with that damage at that given time stamp. Another situation is when say a necro dots someone and they run far away. Part of that damage will only appear on the victim’s log. So to validate dots you would always start from the victim’s log. And marry up the Stranger log’s to the damage dealer. What if 2 necro’s dot are ticking on the same second interval on a victim and the victim runs out of range before the dot ends? Mark of the devourer is a dot that lasts for 30 seconds and ticks every 5 seconds starting at 0. So for 2 necro dots to be at the same second interval (every 5 second 2 dots appear on log) and for both necro’s to be out of range of the victim at the same time then the second dot would need to hit 5 seconds after the first. Necro 1 dots victim 1 at 11:59:41 Necro 2 dots victim 1 at 11:59:46 and at 12:00:06 the victim is out of range of both necros. [11:59:41] Dirtydanny’s casts Mark of the Devourer. [11:59:41] Dirtydanny’s Mark of the Devourer hits You for 62 unholy damage. [11:59:46] Bigboy’s casts Mark of the Devourer. [11:59:46] Bigboy’s Mark of the Devourer hits You for 72 unholy damage. [11:59:46] Dirtydanny’s Mark of the Devourer hits You for 58 unholy damage. … [12:00:06] Stranger’s Mark of the Devourer hits You for 72 unholy damage. [12:00:06] Stranger’s Mark of the Devourer hits You for 58 unholy damage. To find who each stranger is on the victim’s log you simply back track 5 seconds at a time until you see X casts Mark of the Devourer. At that point you should see 2 mark of the devourer casts on the same second. Since Bigboy’s dot ticked before Dirtydanny then every subsequent stranger tick from the dot will apply Bigboy’s name as the attacker for the first dot and Dirtydanny’s name as the attacker for the second dot. [image] Momentum: Some damage you just can’t attach to specific person. For example, this is how “Armageddon Falls” look in logs: Your Armageddon Falls hits you for 52 slashing damage. Mr.Goo’s Armageddon Falls hits Mr.Goo for 166 slashing damage. Does the game count all this damage to the person who applied original debuff? Or does it ignores all selfdamage? Or 42? How does it work in the game? Does that damage go to the attacker or is simply ignored and seen as self damage? I am not sure.

self dmg of a sort afaik, dont think you can see who triggered it

[image] chiefqueef: The stranger problem is completely solvable when everyone is parsing. The ones listed above are actually from a third parties parse. You can find the name of stranger by going to Mr.Goo’s parse to see who hit him with that damage at that given time stamp. Another situation is when say a necro dots someone and they run far away. Part of that damage will only appear on the victim’s log. So to validate dots you would always start from the victim’s log. And marry up the Stranger log’s to the damage dealer. This is actually not true. If damage is done out of range it will always be displayed as stranger on the player taking the damage. The only way this can be solved is having player B between player A and player C. This way the range is doubled and it will not display stranger from player B’s log. However, I do not see this scenario by a melee combo possible and it is outrageous to even mention it. The only scenario I can see stranger being a problem is when dots and hots are active on a player when the caster dies. For example, if there is a fight far away from the respad and a healer/dotter dies, then all its hots/dots will say “Stranger’s xx spell heals xx for xx”, or “Stranger’s xx spell hits xx for xx damage” and this might result in inaccurate parsing of kills/deaths, healing and to some extent the damage done. [image] chiefqueef: What if 2 necro’s dot are ticking on the same second interval on a victim and the victim runs out of range before the dot ends? Mark of the devourer is a dot that lasts for 30 seconds and ticks every 5 seconds starting at 0. So for 2 necro dots to be at the same second interval (every 5 second 2 dots appear on log) and for both necro’s to be out of range of the victim at the same time then the second dot would need to hit 5 seconds after the first. Necro 1 dots victim 1 at 11:59:41 Necro 2 dots victim 1 at 11:59:46 and at 12:00:06 the victim is out of range of both necros. [11:59:41] Dirtydanny’s casts Mark of the Devourer. [11:59:41] Dirtydanny’s Mark of the Devourer hits You for 62 unholy damage. [11:59:46] Bigboy’s casts Mark of the Devourer. [11:59:46] Bigboy’s Mark of the Devourer hits You for 72 unholy damage. [11:59:46] Dirtydanny’s Mark of the Devourer hits You for 58 unholy damage. … [12:00:06] Stranger’s Mark of the Devourer hits You for 72 unholy damage. [12:00:06] Stranger’s Mark of the Devourer hits You for 58 unholy damage. To find who each stranger is on the victim’s log you simply back track 5 seconds at a time until you see X casts Mark of the Devourer. At that point you should see 2 mark of the devourer casts on the same second. Since Bigboy’s dot ticked before Dirtydanny then every subsequent stranger tick from the dot will apply Bigboy’s name as the attacker for the first dot and Dirtydanny’s name as the attacker for the second dot. This is incorrect, you seem to lack a little bit of knowledge in how the combat log works. Here let me shed some light on few details. Only buffs/debuffs are displayed with Player casts spell unless you are the one casting the spell. In that case you will get two messages, one that says “You start casting spell xx” and “You successfully cast spell xx”. I’ve seen some special cases where Flame Lash shows up but that’s about the only hostile spell I observed in any combatlog I recently studied. You might think "but I saw “player casts mark of the devourer” " in your combat log. Yes you did, but if you paid attention you will see the buff that increases the damage done/healing recieved from it, not when it is actually cast. If you want to see start of a dot you will have to track this entry “Player afflicts target with Spell(Rank x)” which I guess is the same method you were thinking of, doable. [image] chiefqueef: How does it work in the game? Does that damage go to the attacker or is simply ignored and seen as self damage? I am not sure. It comes up as self-inflicted damage, I’m not into the pvp meta so I’m not sure how much of a problem armagedon fall actually is. I don’t see it as a problem but then again I’m not invested in the current pvp meta. On a sidenote: If there is a player using russian letters in their character name it will show up as ??? In the combat log. Another thing you can track using the combat log is to see who is running what buffs/potions. Crit potions, combat rating potions, exiles runes, gold potions etc can all be detected in the combat log. You can even go as far to keep track on how many times a protection buff has been cast or how many times a soldier stance danced in the minigame which might be very interesting to see. You can keep track on which manifestation is used by bear shamans, how often bubbles are used etc. There are probably a lot more things you can track to generate some interesting stats.

[image] chiefqueef: Exactly the only way this can reliably work is to have everyone have the combat log running. You need the log of the damage dealer and the one having damage dealt to them. Yes, this is least of the problem. But you still need to consider crashes and relogs. If you relog, while logging is running - it stops writing, but log will be technically still open. [image] chiefqueef: Would it be out of line to ask players to use the english client? But if someone played few years and knows casts on his language - switching could be a problem. [image] chiefqueef: The stranger problem is completely solvable when everyone is parsing. The ones listed above are actually from a third parties parse. You can find the name of stranger by going to Mr.Goo’s parse to see who hit him with that damage at that given time stamp. Even in Mr.Goo’s logs that would be stranger: [23:56:33] Stranger’s Intense Heat hits you for 18 fire damage. [23:56:35] Stranger’s Intense Heat hits you for 18 fire damage. If I remember well, “Intense Heat” is AOE damage on dot tick. So it might look like: [23:56:35] Stranger’s Incinerate (2) hits Mr.Goo for 20 fire damage. [23:56:35] Stranger’s Intense Heat hits Mr.Goo for 20 fire damage. [23:56:35] You absorbed 5 points of damage from Stranger attack [23:56:35] Stranger’s Intense Heat hits you for 18 fire damage. Same thing with “Pestilential Blast”: [23:49:48] Stranger’s Pestilential Blast (Rank 7) crits Mr.Goo for 169 unholy damage. [23:49:48] Stranger’s Pestilential Blast (Rank 7) crits you for 417 unholy damage. And same thing from all AOE damage from dot… And this is also fun thingy: [22:40:05] Stranger’s Spell hits Mr.Goo for 1286 piercing damage. [22:40:07] Stranger’s Spell hits Mr.Goo for 1864 piercing damage. [22:40:49] Stranger’s Spell hits Mr.Goo for 1055 piercing damage. Although that you can see from Mr.Goo’s perspective…

Although, this: [23:19:35] You absorbed 92 points of damage from Stranger attack [23:19:35] You mitigated 92 points of damage from Stranger attack. [23:19:35] Stranger’s Spell hits you for 328 slashing damage.

I appreciate the responses, this is all very helpful. I do not have a lot of knowledge on how the combat log works entirely, last night was the first time I looked at one. [image] Fass: This is actually not true. If damage is done out of range it will always be displayed as stranger on the player taking the damage. The only way this can be solved is having player B between player A and player C. This way the range is doubled and it will not display stranger from player B’s log. However, I do not see this scenario by a melee combo possible and it is outrageous to even mention it. The only scenario I can see stranger being a problem is when dots and hots are active on a player when the caster dies. For example, if there is a fight far away from the respad and a healer/dotter dies, then all its hots/dots will say “Stranger’s xx spell heals xx for xx”, or “Stranger’s xx spell hits xx for xx damage” and this might result in inaccurate parsing of kills/deaths, healing and to some extent the damage done. But won’t the victim’s log have the entirety of the dot? So you can easily backlog to see who inflicted the dot earlier in the log and replace Stranger with that name. Isn’t dot damage inflicted even after the necro dies calculated into the kill calculation? [image] Fass: This is incorrect, you seem to lack a little bit of knowledge in how the combat log works. Here let me shed some light on few details. Only buffs/debuffs are displayed with Player casts spell unless you are the one casting the spell. In that case you will get two messages, one that says “You start casting spell xx” and “You successfully cast spell xx”. I’ve seen some special cases where Flame Lash shows up but that’s about the only hostile spell I observed in any combatlog I recently studied. You might think "but I saw “player casts mark of the devourer” " in your combat log. Yes you did, but if you paid attention you will see the buff that increases the damage done/healing recieved from it, not when it is actually cast. If you want to see start of a dot you will have to track this entry “Player afflicts target with Spell(Rank x)” which I guess is the same method you were thinking of, doable. I can’t say I don’t lack some knowledge on how the combat log works :). Instead of looking at the “Cast” log for a given spell on the victim you could look for the first inflicted spell in a dot’s given life span. I.E mark is 30 seconds long so you can easily find the first hit which will always have the player’s name associated with it. You may have to get more creative with something like sin poop bomb but I still think you could determine the attackers name from the victim’s log. [image] Fass: On a sidenote: If there is a player using russian letters in their character name it will show up as ??? In the combat log. Does the whole name show as ??? or just the russian characters? [image] Fass: Another thing you can track using the combat log is to see who is running what buffs/potions. Crit potions, combat rating potions, exiles runes, gold potions etc can all be detected in the combat log. You can even go as far to keep track on how many times a protection buff has been cast or how many times a soldier stance danced in the minigame which might be very interesting to see. You can keep track on which manifestation is used by bear shamans, how often bubbles are used etc. There are probably a lot more things you can track to generate some interesting stats. Thanks for mentioning that, this was something I noticed last night when I was testing this dual boxing. You can easily see all the buffs a character has and I think it gets parsed out after every death as well. Well when I zoned in I noticed it showed the buffs alongside the shield of the risen.

[image] Momentum: Yes, this is least of the problem. But you still need to consider crashes and relogs. If you relog, while logging is running - it stops writing, but log will be technically still open. I thought about this one as well. Since we will have the start time and end time of the match via the windows application I can grab all of the combat logs for today and find all parse information that falls between the start and end time of the game. I don’t think this will be a problem. [image] Momentum: But if someone played few years and knows casts on his language - switching could be a problem. I understand that, I wouldn’t mind trying to translate everything but that would be a LOT more work imo. [image] Momentum: [image] chiefqueef: The stranger problem is completely solvable when everyone is parsing. The ones listed above are actually from a third parties parse. You can find the name of stranger by going to Mr.Goo’s parse to see who hit him with that damage at that given time stamp. Even in Mr.Goo’s logs that would be stranger: [23:56:33] Stranger’s Intense Heat hits you for 18 fire damage. [23:56:35] Stranger’s Intense Heat hits you for 18 fire damage. You can find Stranger’s name by parsing backwards (victim’s log) to the initial hit which would have the stranger’s name.

[image] chiefqueef: You can find Stranger’s name by parsing backwards (victim’s log) to the initial hit which would have the stranger’s name. Not in the case of AOE damage on dot tick. Example: [23:16:46] Stranger’s Incinerate (2) hits Mr.Goo for 28 fire damage. [23:16:46] Stranger’s Intense Heat hits Mr.Goo for 29 fire damage. [23:16:46] Stranger’s Intense Heat hits you for 18 fire damage. In this example Stranger applied dot “Incinerate” on Mr.Goo. Each time “Incinerate” ticks it damage everyone around with “Intense Heat”. So I was in proximity of Mr.Goo when Stranger’s (from my perspective) “Incinerate” ticked. So I was damaged by another spell “Intense Heat”. Which is again, Stranger’s spell. In this case you can’t determine the attackers name from the victim’s log.

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Care to propose at least some workarounds for the issues I listed?

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