I took about an 18 month break.
Is there any actual point to having unnamed crafting thralls? No bs like some kind of slight improvement in speed - 100% faster speed can be accomplished by just making another bench, or fuel - coal is easy to find and I’ve never had a shortage of fuel ever.
Is there any real point to having tier 1 to 3 crafting thrall spawn points that never spawn a t4, or are they just bloating servers with something nobody has a use for?
Also is there any point to improved benches anymore, like the Improved Furnace? It seems useless to me except for cosmetically it loks better. Again - its more efficient to just use 2 normal furnaces than spend the resources on 1 improved furnace. Is it the same with the firebowl cauldron, carpenters bench and the others? Isn’t it better to just skip all the improved benches altogether and build the “Master” stations after level 60? I’m not seeing the use for the Improved benches. Even the Armorer’s bench - yes you can build it at mid level but you can’t unlock the feat to build Epic armors on it until high level, and by then you are ready for the Garrison Armorer’s Bench. Same thing with weapons. Who actually makes steel weapons when better weapons drop or come with thralls? You can have as many star metal swords as you want at whatever level by just breaking Berserkers and then dismissing them. (you just need to know where to get a steel truncheon drop, lol)
I really think they broke the 1-60 crafting game with that economy patch and I don’t see that it makes sense and several months later it still makes no sense.
Does it make sense to anyone else?
Most of Improved Benches reduce cost of crafting material so they are crucial and should be built as soon as possible. Furnance reduces cost of fuel i think so it’s better to use it but also better is to use Fuel-Efficient Furnance. Like I said Improved Cauldron, Carpentry, blacksmith will have reduced material cost so it’s advised to have them as soon as possible. No, don’t skip benches as You will lose a lot of materials, Improved vs Master difference is mostly not noticeable but you should read on wiki about it.
About thralls…
Blacksmith III or IV is usefull as it reduces cost of making steel reinforcement by a lot.
Rest of thralls lower than IV is useless i think right now.
I don’t think they do. I think they used to, but when I put the same amount of wood in a carpenter bench or improved carpenter bench, I get the same amount of shaped wood.
Same thing with blacksmith or furnace or cauldron.
And again, I’ve NEVER ran short on fuel ever. Coal is so easy to get as a byproduct of iron ore mining fuel consumptioin is irrelevant.
This wiki also agrees with what’s my experience, that Improved carpenter, furnace, blacksmith, cauldron don’t say anything about decrease cost of materials except fuel (fuel was never a problem to find imo).
Well it’s up to you but for example:
Blacksmith will use 2 iron bar to produce iron reinforcement
Improved will use 1 iron bar
Carpentry will use 10 wood to produce 1 shaped wood
Improved will use 7 wood
If you don’t build much, don’t play pvp then maybe it does not matter for you, but for pvp its crucial as you will need a lot of iron reinf / steel reinf.
Keep in mind if there’s cost of 2 default reducing by 25% will end up on 1 and reducing by 50% will end up same. So 50% reduce is usefull only for high cost stuff like 10 or so.
Tbh, I skipped improved now when power leveling, and only use resources reduction master stations. I use basic tanner, and use basic forges. 8 will fit in the same space as 1 of the masters, meaning just get more coal, and you can out craft the master station smelting wise. Plus now it is flexible. 8 with all stone, or mix and match stone, iron, eldarium, e5c.
On official setting, the basic crafting bench will use the full amount while the improved crafting bench only cost you 0.7 of the resources needed.
For example: carpenter bench use 10 wood to make 1 shaped wood while the improved use 7 wood.
Isn’t that legendary weapon repair kits require purge thrall or it was changed?
By that i mean there’s no point in having thrall below Tier 4 as T1-3 is useless except for blacksmith III which will grant access to cheap steel reinforcement.
T3 armorers, car0enters and blacksmiths do add extra atts, more durability. So they are worth it. T3 alchie gives oil. T3 blacksmith does the iron reinf. to steel. So not worthless
It was changed. You need a T4 with a specific specialization. Tempersmiths are T4 blacksmiths who specialize in durability, and Temperwrights are T4 armorers who specialize in durability.
You put them in the Tinker’s Bench to craft the kits.
Yeah but that in my opinion is not worth it, better to just go straight to T4 and I already said T3 blacksmith is usefull. Are You sure T3 alchemist opens oil? Thought it was T4 so I was always going for T4.
It true t3 alchemist give oil recipe, but if I can get a t4 alchemist I would use it since it increase crafting speed better than a t3 would. On dyer bench only t4 alchemist give the white and black dye recipe.
Yeah, but is far easier when you first get on a server (until easy button transfer we just got) to find T3s until you get what you need.
I mean I ran a vault on Siptah with a kushite II fighters leveled to 20 in T3 crafted armor and he barely took damage because the rating was about 150 more. And he got +8 vit instead of 5. So again, t4 are better, but t3s are great buffers while you fight the RNG tables for a named.
I double checked my stations and yes, there is a big difference in basic an improved Blacksmith and Carpenter benches.
But the Furnace I’m not getting any difference - I put in 1,000 stone in both and get the same amount of bricks in normal and improved furnace.
I haven’t tried Firebowl cauldron yet. In fact I don’t have much use for a cauldron because I get all my steel needs met through drops and chests, until I’m ready to announce to the world that I’m T3 and build a T3 base.
I also haven’t really compared the tanneries. Same thing that I usually have a surplus of bark and hides from chests and skinning most of what I kill.
I guess the Furnace is my bottleneck, so I feel it the most because of the bricks necessary to build anything and no way to reduce the cost or kill or find another alternative.
Does anyone have a way to build a T3 base besides in Black Ice without playing minecraft and mining 50,000 stone?
Yep, the furnace and tannery only affect the burn time and crafting speed. But then again even before the workstation change, the smelter and tanner only affect burn time and crafting speed.
Sadly, there never was any way to reduce the cost of bricks. The only thing you can do is improve your farming and crafting pipeline.
Speaking as a dude whose favorite base design uses 116,179 hardened bricks, you need to get resigned to farming a lot of stone. Fortunately, there are ways to optimize that.
If you’re playing in Exiled Lands, here’s some advice:
Get several Black Blood picks. You’ll need at least two for efficient farming, but you’ll also need spares, because you’re gonna break them sooner or later, no matter how careful you are
Put the advanced tool upgrade on one pick and the oil of bounty on another. Use the oiled pick only where the nodes are clustered in such a way that a single swing will hit 3 or more nodes. Use the one with the upgrade kit for all others. With time, you’ll memorize the best spots.
There’s a silver mine west of the Unnamed City, near the Jawbone and the Rhinohorn Ridge. Inside it, you’ll find a place where it looks like the mine caved in. This is the densest cluster of stone nodes on the whole map. Using an oiled pick, you can get thousands of stone in less than a minute. The downside is that it’s still a relatively small amount (for a big build) and it takes a while to respawn, so you don’t want to depend on this as your sole source.
The next best place to mine stone is the volcano. There’s stone pretty much everywhere, and there are countless clustered nodes where a single swing hits 3+ nodes. In time, you’ll learn some productive routes that will yield a ton of stone in one hour’s work.
