Yeah, @Fable, it’s crystal clear now that you haven’t the foggiest idea who Crom is or what he represents. To say you’re overthinking the god of a barbarian people at this point would be a serious understatement.
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My condolences.
Exactly.
No, not slim. Fitting. It would be just enough for the occasion. Not too much nor too few.
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Crom is such a great god. But I find Derketo to be my favorite lorewise.
I chose Derketo coz I felt it fit me the best… bed-wise I guess. 
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Honestly I didn’t pick Crom cause it didn’t give anything. It felt like a blank sheet. An option giving no optional content isn’t an option.
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It so much more fun to build temples for Derketo, than to any other god in this game. I suppose we need more religions and new altar skins to fit the DLC themes
I need a bigger bed. 
use doubles beds as bed foundation piece and you can create pretty massive bed
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Sorry Glurin but Im going to have to disagree with you on this (I feel like were getting a good routine going here 
). Ok the first point is regarding the mindset of the Cimmerians. The Cimmerians are not a hive mind, who all think and behave in a conformist, identical manner. You mean to tell me that out of hundreds of thousands or more Cimmerians (I am uncertain what their accumulative population was throughout their history), that not one of them would have ever tried to build a shrine and spread their peoples inflence and culture…!? I find that near impossible to believe. Especially as their god not only grants them, but also utterly embodies self-determination.
Here is the problem. You are constantly claiming that Crom will annihilate you if you build a shrine or worship him, however this is simply not true. Crom does not care if you worship him or not, he is simply indifferent to it. I have already provided two examples (post no.34 in my thread ‘Crom desperately needs an overhaul’) in which have refuted this argument. However, I shall now provide another two (refer to my following post…incoming), with more to come.
Look I have to call attention to this. You keep insisting in one breath that ‘Crom doesnt care and doesnt intervene in mortal affairs’, then you go on to say BUUUT…he may just smite you…BUUUT…he may not even exist. Heres the thing, as @Fable stated, you claim he doesnt care in one breath, then go on to say that he constantly meddles, intervenes and annihilates in the next. This is a self-contradicting statement. To say he meddles and punishes at the mere drop of a hat flies right in the face of his most prominent feature in the lore; the fact that he is a distant uncarring being who does nothing more than allows mankind to exist. You cant have it both ways on this one; either he cares or he doesnt.
I have also established what it would take for someone to make him actually care enough to intervene, and as I showed, slander is not one of them. Ironically, and much to my own surprise here, I have now so far found 6 incidents in the lore of him helping, compared to just 1 of him smiting. The time where he ‘smites’ occurs when two sorcerers attempt to release the demon he imprisoned, Shuma-Gorath right at the foot of Mount Crom! This is also referenced in the aforementioned post reference. So as you can see, it takes something a little more than merely carving his symbol into a sword or building a shrine. It takes something VERY significant to make him care enough to actually intervene.
Glurin I once felt exactly the same way you do now. I really do mean it. However one day I had a eureka moment and reversed my position. I genuinely do believe that you are misreading the situation. Either that or purposely misrepresenting it, but I tend to think and hope not.
I am keenly interested now. Would you be kind and provide the data related or a link perhaps or some specific terms so I can do my own research? I’m excited! 
That’s the thing… many modern authors (Robert Jordan being one of them) made Crom into something R. E. Howard would no longer recognize. I prefer they’d stick with the way Howard wrote him, i.e. utterly uncaring and indifferent instead of turning Crom into just another Fantasy deity.
-In Conan the Barbarian 1#260, around a millenia before the Great Cataclysm, at 18 000 BC, the demon known as Shuma-Gorath ruled over a large portion of the Earth from a great mountain on the Thurian continent, located in what eould later become known as Cimmeria.
Many ages later (however still prior to the Great Cataclysm), men suffered beneath him. However, in an act of desperation, one tribe prayed for help. Their cries were answered by a new godling who they called…Crom. A powerful storm then descended upon their land, with one shaman recieving three iron-bound books with but a single key dangling from them (this was a significant event, as no books existed at this time). The shaman read from the three books, at which point a flame-headed storm cloud emerged from one of the books. The storm then blazed its way towards the great mountain and came to rest above it. Despite Shuma-Goraths efforts to stop it the clouds settled above the demons face and form. The demon was then imprisoned within a rocky fortress within the great mountain, which was then remaed Mount Crom, or Ben Morgh. The tribe later (unsurprisingly) began worshipping Crom. The iron books were kept by the tribe for many an age, until they were later stolen, and subsequently lost to man.
-In the Handbook of the Conan Universe #1. Worshiped by ancient Cimmerian tribes, Crom cared little for mankind, except to allow them to continue to exist. When a boy is born, a ritual asks the gods to grant it the “power to strive and slay”. This is considered enough of a demand. Their gods are conceived as otherwise indifferent to humanity, and prayer is only to be used on rare occasions.
To quote two great men, Conan and Robert E. Howard:
"Let men worship what gods they will.”
The Hour of the Dragon.
Ok so what do we take away from this? This is now the third and fourth example I have provided respectively which illustrate that Crom does NOT dislike being worshipped, or punish those who do. His worship not only harkons back to the Atlanteans (pre-Cimmerians) but he grants men his gifts following an act of worship. Conan has also performed an act of worship. Thus far, and much to my own surprise, I have only found 1 incident of Crom 'smiting someone, as opposed to 6 of him helping. Surprising I know. That incident is briefly outlined in post 34. And it involves two sorcerers attempting to release the aforementioned Shuma-Gorath at the foot of Mount Crom.
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The reason you guys don’t seem to understand the “Crom doesn’t care” thing is because you can’t seem to break away from an absolute black or white mentality on it.
You’re trying to build a case that either Crom doesn’t give a crap what anyone does no matter what, in which case you can build a thousand temples to him and pray to him each and every hour on the hour and beg for all kinds of freebies from him. Or he does care and therefore has some kind of grand plan where he lovingly guides everyone all the time and would simply love to have you build a thousand temples to him where people pray to him each and every hour on the hour and beg for all kinds of freebies from him.
What you don’t seem to be getting is that neither of these views are correct! Crom is not some grandmaster chess player orchestrating the lives of everyone on earth to help them become wonderful people because he just cares so deeply that he cries himself to sleep when someone gets hurt. Nor is he just some rock that wouldn’t even notice if you painted a clown face on it and charged people money to take selfies in front of it.
Crom is the quintessential gloomy barbarian. He’s not gonna care what you do until you do something that he really doesn’t like, and then he’s going to split your head open for doing it.
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Let’s try reason a healthier stage for the discussion, shall we.
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Some back story from myself regarding Conan as franchise:
All that I knew about Crom, before coming here, came from the cartoon series and some comics. I focus on the series here because I’ve lost memories of the comics and for that reason it’s not productive to me to delve there.
I vaguely remember Conan in the series using the term ’ crom ’ in some occasions. I almost remember how to sing the full theme song coz it was so awesome back then, but I remember clearly the yelling, clash of star metal, fanfare, tone of the vocalist and the like from the opening.
If I remember correctly, Crom doesn’t necessarily appear in the series either. It’s just about the revenge for his (Conan’s) family trapped in the curse of living stone by Wrath-Amon or so (maybe I should watch it all at least once). I don’t remember if Conan openly prayed Crom, but I do remember him utilising Crom’s name when he was amazed by something.
Second last thing I want to mention at this point here is that I’d like to draw some similarities. Unlike in some newer content it seems, Howard’s Crom seems to behave like Yahweh does. Food for thought, in case someone hasn’t made the connection yet. Based on the feedback here going back and forth, I’m convinced at this point that Crom is Yahweh unless proven otherwise.
Last thing I’d like to point out here is that I don’t care if anybody here is correct. I don’t care about who is the one correct about all of this or even mostly correct. All I care about is the truth of the matter and nothing else than that. Merely taunting me biased gets discussion nowhere. I need proof.
There’s a reason why it’s the evidence that proves a point. Provide it and views change. Fail at it and views stay unchanged. This is ruthless and remorseless mentality, that’s where you are indeed correct (black and white literally even), but it’s not unjust.
If I’m not mistaken (fill in the details in case needed), Crom actually has this same mentality based on the material provided here by everyone. Does anyone disagree? In case you do, feel free to throw an argument. Maybe something slipped past me.
Logic Train About Crom:
From the newer authors, he’s not budged by anything other than dishonour and some unlucky fiend that he seemed to seal away somewhere some time ago. From Howard’s volumes, he’s gloomy and we can’t make heads or tails if he even exists. I’m not clear if Crom did anything in Howard’s material coz I haven’t read them; the information here also isn’t clear enough so please provide as much detail as you can. Be as precise as you can and have fun while doing it. However, it seems that even if we exclude the new authors, we simply can’t know what Crom does. We only think we know what he doesn’t do, but that doesn’t suffice due the variable of our free will in the equation (and more importantly the one who is said to have bestown it upon us, but never proven true).
Your words, not ours. You and some others mentioned precededly that Crom doesn’t care. Amongst you are differences also. For example perhaps @Kendaric is the most clear in what they provided to the conversation. They said that the god is gloomy and we can’t really make a conclusion whether he exists or not.
To be clear, I don’t necessarily care if we got something from Crom or not. All I personally want is devs to correct the presentation of Crom. Either Crom is removed from the religion section to honour Howard’s take or Crom receives a revision based on the material of the newer authors. You can’t have both. Then there’s the third option which scraps all authors; letting Crom stay as is. Doing this also opens (keeps open) an ominous slippery slope for us as customers to tread on. I’m openly against the third option, if anyone wants to know.
When it comes to what route Crom should undertake, I dropped the interest to it. Make up your mind already. Just leave the third option away from your pool of viable choices and I’m good. That road leads to misery as a customer.
Define wonderful. If you mean one to utilise their free will (rumoured to be the gift of Crom) and kill everyone as they try survive the ruthless and remorseless existence, then yes. No one said the devs should take a turn to Disneyland.
Just like me then. I’m glad that’s settled now. 
Of course the difference here is that I’m real and he’s not. The thing is that there are those who want devs to do Howard’s and those who want to take it further with the newer authors. Newer authors (based on the feedback here) only seemed to add on top of Howard’s material, not revert it. In ways some sense them reverting what Crom is or was, isn’t provable due Howard’s description about him.
Please correct me as profoundly as you can; do not give me weak presentations in a heartbeat. I am stubborn when I let my emotions take the best of me, but when I am calm enough I do detect all sorts of notions related and otherwise. More importantly I am blessed and cursed to change my mind quite vividly and often, based on the pace of evidence brought to my attention.
So to all of you, please try understand where I come from and that the truth is all there is. Lying and fabricating stuff is fine. It’s fun to undo the patterns to reveal the truth. In a way I’m okay with lying coz that’s information too and the better we are at lying, the challenging the puzzle gets. Depends from how serious the issue is, that is. The more serious the issue, the less patience I have to tolerate lies.
From all this deduction, my head hurts. I’m gonna go watch a movie and then to bed.
OFFS, you’re still not getting it. Howard’s description of Crom is what is in CE right now! It makes no sense at all to remove him from the list of religions because Crom is one of the gods of the Conan universe and people, mainly Cimmerians, do in fact believe in him. He takes a rather prominent role in the Conan universe considering he is Conan’s god in particular.
But it also makes no sense for worshiping him to provide any benefits like the others do because Crom simply is not that kind of god. His name is generally only spoken in oaths and curses, taking the place of things like “holy s…” or “damn it” or “FFS” or even “my word, I believe I just stubbed my toe while getting off the trolley and now it rather stings”. Reason being Crom has a habit of sending doom and death from his mountain, so it’s generally a really bad idea to deliberately try to get his attention by praying to him. He views that sort of thing as weakness, and that is something he despises.
You yourself admit to not having read any of the original stories. Now while I have read some, it’s been many years since I last did, but I at least know enough to respect the source material and not rely on a children’s cartoon adaptation from the early 90s as my primary point of reference.
Maybe, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that you understand me. I have a hunch that you left a stone unturned. 
The religion section should only involve false gods or lesser deities coz that’s what they are. Crom is no lesser deity nor a false god.
Involving Crom amongst them proves my point why he - shouldn’t be presented there - with the weapons. If one didn’t want to utilise any of them (coz weapons they are), they should simply be given the choice not to pick any of them; and no, choosing Crom is to choose Crom (amongst weapons is a weapon dull as its hilt). To not pick a religion is to not pick a religion. The ability to “pick” or “not pick” is the issue here. If anything, Conan didn’t pick Crom. Crom picked him. We have no way to know it though.
He is the God. Not just a god. Just because you remove him as a CHOICE (Crom is no mere choice) from the religion table served for lesser deities and false gods, it doesn’t mean you remove Crom from the game. Crom is still there. Conan still believes in him. We still believe in him. Conan is the unofficial avatar of Crom coz Crom is never presented or drawn (yet the game does); only Conan is and he speaks his name. Crom’s story is conveniently told thorough Conan so there’s no reason to draw another barbarian that perhaps just has a bigger boot size.
The only thing removed this way is the implication that the presentation drew to the air accidentally. That is all I personally would like to see. Conan would still be there so I can go to him whenever I want to learn from Crom. He’s the one with the knowledge here. I don’t need anything else in the game to present to me what Crom is or isn’t and that includes the character creator.
Just because you believe in a flying frying pan doesn’t make it able to fly. One can easily hover a short trip thorough the air, but still. One isn’t necessarily a frying pan either. Mere belief is not the issue here.
From a knowledge perspective, we already know this part of Cimmerians too. When is it that you’re going to tell us what we yearn for? Tell us what we don’t know. If you need to refresh your memory, go read the material coz I’m not going anywhere. Maybe I should just cut the chase and do it myself… I wouldn’t be reading the books (comics) though. I will use something like a Wikipedia or something.
Just because Conan believes in him doesn’t automatically make Crom’s role a prominent one. I know there’s more to it than what you let us understand so please give it here. Chop chop. Bring in the data.
No buts! Too many buts you’ve used.
You’re mixing two mutually exclusive points together to prove your point. You can’t have both. This is why you sound so odd at times btw. You’re overlapping Howard’s material with the new authors’ and that’s not how you do it. You either stay with Howard’s material or the newer composition. Either Crom is elusive and it isn’t known if he exists or not - or - Crom is a badass and you’ll be on the newbie camp. Which way is it? I personally would like them both. Why divide when you can share.
Also please do understand that there is nothing that is “simply not that kind”. This ain’t a proper argument. Behind a trait, there’s a reason and I do - know - you are going to tell us why that is.
What you fail to understand here is that you added the benefit-worship notion under the newbie camp by marketing as if Crom would be giving things in return even though some of us suggested that devs could add some items that we would merely claim in his name instead. In this case devs are the ones who would be giving things, not Crom coz he doesn’t care about all that so much (newbie camp) or isn’t proven to exist (Howard camp). Oh, but wait! It wouldn’t be mentioned in the religion section - coz you know, Crom wouldn’t be mentioned there to begin with either. Don’t you understand that this would clear up the whole mess you’ve all been waging here?
So for us to claim stuff in his name, we need devs to code them in and remove the silly Crom choice with the obviously not Crom’s real sigil. Some Cimmerian just made it and must have told the devs it’s okay to add it in, but not anything else.
Feel free to correct.
Similar to how I remember Conan utilising his name in the cartoon series. Just a bit softer way coz, you know; aimed to children and all that. I was a child back then too. Good series. Not the best, but good. Amazingly catchy theme song.
Sadly nothing new here though. We all know this part. I’m interested to get to know Crom, not be left in the middle of your holy war here. I don’t care about this conflict between the oldies and the newbies. Just tell me what Crom is, what he does, how he does it, where he lives, and so on without any hesitation. Leave the conflict here aside for a moment and educate me; period.
So based on Howard’s Crom, the one we have no way of telling if he even exists or not, you claim that somehow you know of what ticks him, where he resides and how he engages us? Do we have conrete evidence beyond mere rumours and gossips here? Where does this info come from? Where did you learned it from? Is it from comics? Which volumes to be specific? Somewhere else? Where? The cartoon… oh, no wait, that’s heresy.
My question here is that is he really something we can measure to exist or not. If yes, this implies that he actually could be able to do all those things you’ve mentioned from maybe wherever he may reside and how to what end, but this isn’t Howard’s Crom at this point anymore. Howard’s Crom cannot be measured. It’s the newer version so don’t mix two sources together.
Did I miss anything?
I told about a related variable I thought everyone should know - like an ELI5 variable, not sin. The way you came up with this line suggests that it’s some sort of a crime in your books even though it’s definitely not a crime to not have read an efficient amount of Conan comics or whatever. It just means that you have a lot more explaining to do.
Mind you that just because I’m not a father, it doesn’t mean I can’t learn from fathers around me to be a good father someday. You’ve all provided me stories about this universe because I wanted to learn, but one thing still eludes me and that’s Crom. You know why? It’s because I’m not getting a clear answer. Do you know or do you not?
Oh, and so you know I have a nephew and he likes his uncle (me). Still not a father, but clearly I’m doing a great job. He’s my little Spiderman. In case one would snap even a single hair wisp from his head without consent, I wouldn’t ask permission from Crom to help. Oh no sir. I would grab him and stuff him up the culprits behind - sideways.
It doesn’t matter how many years it’s been. I don’t care how long it’s been. Duration variable doesn’t make your point any more forgivable than if you said you haven’t read one for a month or a week, but it can answer to a question why you may not be so sharp at it as you once were. So to correct that, go read the books (or comics?) or ask someone here whose mind is sharper to fill in for you. All that matters is that we share the knowledge and keep it clear.
I told that I had no clue what Crom was past the series and yet here I am getting info from all corners of the world (as planned) coz I dared to ask. Yet some of those corners somehow don’t like each other… Because they are arguing about which version should the devs honour in this game. The issue is that currently the devs honour - none - of them when it comes to Crom due the presentation.
This is as useless notion as is your point about the duration variable you mentioned above, if not more. Just because someone hasn’t read the material from cover to cover or even lifted them is suddenly an irrespectful fool to you. Utterly useless information. Quite insulting, unnecessary useless practise. Have some manners and bring in the data already instead. I’m getting thirsty.
Well excuuuuuse meeee princess. I hate to break your till, but I didn’t know there was a deadline to education, your highness.
So in other words I shouldn’t have any information at my disposal to start with, even a mere name reference, unless it came from the oh so holy book? If that’s not a childish answer, I don’t know what childish is. How about a Wikipedia page or a link? They must be banned as well, no? Oh, and perhaps I shouldn’t be here coz clearly anyone who has no “real” information about the franchise to start with shouldn’t bother to come, hmmm? Coz you know they can’t learn from anyone from the forum (you know, since we’re “simply just not that kind of wise”). Now that would be a really bad omen, right?
I’m gonna let you in on some important data that’s shared by all reasonable enough thinkers and pretty much everyone in the human world. It’s called - common sense; sense that evolves with every spec of info it gets its thoughts around.
I’m gonna go with this one:
Better to start with something than come prepared with nothing.
I thought that this forum is a nice place to fetch data from individuals themselves and practise some social skills next to it. I’m looking at this forum as the very place I can get to the bottom of this. Then there’s you… I don’t know what some people did to you, but you should stop being so condescending. We’re sharing a franchise here and the spewing ruins the mood.
Your tone of written form implies that you assumed me wanting to keep using this source as a reference and treat it as a one and only reference to paint a picture with. By Crom I don’t know how exactly you misunderstood this one.
So can we now get along, gather around and FINALLY GET THE INFORMATION TO THE TABLE, please. My patience wears thin.
Hold on, lets back up just a minute here. Are you actually confusing Crom with God? As in, God God? Father, Son and Holy Ghost God?
If you are, that would explain why you’re not even anywhere near the same ballpark. He’s not that god. You might as well be putting Sheogorath, Ilmater, Melitile, Galactus, Unicron and a dozen other deities from completely different fictional universes in a blender and calling the slurry God. It doesn’t work like that. (Also it’s a little disturbing. 
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Go ahead. Look Crom up on Wikipedia. That would at least be a step up from using an early 90s cartoon that was made specifically for young children.
Right I think 1 person muttering to Crom every once in a while wouldnt bother him. But if someone built a temple and was constantly talking to him every hour he might get pissed.
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