Have a picture for your durability trade-off argument…
How is that on par with Star Metal or even Hardened Steel (you not gain durability but loose not only durability but also armor penetration)!?
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Okay.
So the items have less damage and durability, and same/greater material/effort cost? And you are disappointed with that, finding their cosmetic/athstetic not worth it for the DLC cost?
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Where did i say anything about the worth or the cost of the whole DLC? All i’m arguing is that some aspects of the DLC are NOT AS ADVERTISED!!! Which leads to me not buying any future DLC for this game on day one if at all.
And yes if you promise me that something is on par with something else and it is not the case naturally I will be disappointed (if you promise me a cold beer and bring me something lukewarm instead)!
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No one said you did, I asked a question trying to understand if that was the issue.
Okay, understood. You feel you were lied to, and expected the DLC to be something else.
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Yes i was lied to (same as many others) and no I expected the DLC to be something that was advertised not something else!
(may i point you to the picture above… before you were arguing about that great trade-off… claiming it was on par or comparable… no!?)
Where did I claim that? I was asking questions to clarify what you were trying to say was the issue.
Maybe somewhere here…
That is not a claim though.
That is saying, if it was the case as I understood it at that point of the thread, my view would be it is a fair trade. It is an opinion.
So… in summary…
someone was saying that people who buy the DLC want/hope for P2W stuff…
then i started to argue against that notion and brought up that my concern was that the product is not as advertised…
provided some comparison…
then people (including you) started to argue that items are still as advertised on par/comparable by trade-off (not considering all the game mechanics with weapons like mod kits)…
then you started a questionnaire…
i replied with questionnaire…
things went off-topic in places…
then i provided another comparison…
then you started to backpedal on comparison argument and switched to another questionnaire about my stance on the DLC and whatnot (when my stance was there from the beginning)…
The End!
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Man, a lot of work for a difference of opinions. Is this really all necessary? All that happened on this post was bickering and informing. We all have our own beliefs, it seems some of us believe that the Khitan is on par whilst you believe not. Difference of opinion, it is okay. I’m sure we never meant disrespect to your beliefs and you not to ours. Let’s just shake hands and be done, we aren’t even on the original topic half the time.
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End of what?
No, I gave a viewpoint.
You know boys, I look forward to seeing twitch chat next time they make a dev stream introducing a DLC, and saying the phrase “The stats will be comparable to…”
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Ok ok i get it… you must have the last say! Let’s agree to disagree.
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No.
You don’t get to end an exchange on an ad hominem.
I get you are upset that your expectations on what the DLC items should be was let down. That said, your not entitled to frame things however you want, and not have it challenged.
Also, why didn’t you look at the DLC’s finalized release notes or the dev stream before purchasing if stats were this important to you? I do not think your ‘I was lied to’ point has a leg to stand on to be honest as the aesthetic of Khitan, a largely cosmetic set of content, was what the DLC was, and was what was delivered. I can’t think of a game where between what is previewed, and what is delivered, is exact in DLCs and content updates. For that matter, I can’t imagine that these items are not done being stat modified by Funcom. I can say though that a lot of participants in the forum seemed to have had much higher expectations for the DLC, and set themselves up for disappointment on many things.
Do you know that DLC was available for purchase (at least on UK PSN store) before the update… so in my case I would even argue not only false advertisement but also fraud via bait and switch… I bought the DLC around 1PM BST started looking at stuff in DLC (no prior advertisements… dev streams and such I only knew what i saw in-game before release and when DLC was purchased)… then around 5PM BST hit the update… and only after that update when i compared numbers I started to look up what was advertised and promised!?
And…
Health Damage: 53
Armor Penetration: 10%
Durability: 1237.5
vs
Heatlh Damage: 53
Armor Penetration: 13%
Durability: 1710
Is not on par… frame it however you like!
Aslo Flawless variants are NOT available in-game (only via admin panel) so available items are even worse than in this example.
DLC is not complete (there are no Thralls to craft Exceptional and Flawless variants)… numbers were changed without prior announcement on day of release and in some cases after DLC purchase… this DLC release is a ****show… and probably last purchase for this game on my part!
Items were visible in-game long before release… they had multiple opportunities to change them before the DLC release (many people made purchasing decisions based on those numbers)!!!
p.s. @DethosThePict you conveniently ignored this part…
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So, you bought DLC, even though the unspoken (and pretty sure Funcom to cover their bases actually says this to) caveat of ‘everything is subject to change up until release’ would suggest not to if such specifics matter to you.
Buying things prepay like DLC is not buying what you see exactly in the previews. Thats almost like buying a sports car based on the commercial, and then claiming false advertising because it did not make you cool like the actor in the commercial appears to be.
You set yourself up for this disappointment from everything I have heard.
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Yeah yeah… and ****ty business practices are a great way to loose paying customers.
What are you even talking about… what prepay… there was no prepay… DLC went live it was available for purchase and in-game (i was able to craft those items) and changed after update!?
And no… your sports car example doesn’t work in my case… it would be more like “I went to a car dealer… was shown a great sports car… I made a purchase and then someone switched out the great sports car in my garage with something else”.
Also why are you ignoring this part all the time!?
why are you comparing flawless versions when that isn’t in the game ( unless using admin panel )
Because these are ceiling numbers (not speaking about the fact that there are no thralls to craft them)… so there would not be argument about the opposite “but what about exceptional/flawless those are better etc.”.
yeah but point is you can make the other 2 flawless versions in game… when your playing… the game… but you can only make the standard version for the DLC… so what you should be comparing is … what you an craft… and in the end game… well your getting only Normal Khitan items very Flawless of everything else…