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Itâs debilitating to women in that position! Women who have aspired to be that pre-packaged âsexyâ all their lives. Body dysmorphia is a huge problem in girls and women. It is perpetuated by media including video games 100%
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I figured that would be your answer @CodeMage .
My opinion remains unchanged, but you misinterpret me.
I know the richness of diversity, the importance it can have.
I also know how good ideas can be used in twisted ways to impose certain worldviews. Hypocrisy. Falso moral virtue used as a shield to push other goals.
Your extreme relativism is not unknown to me. I donât agree with it.
Itâs better to accept oneâs ugliness and learn to value other aspects of our being than prefer the sweet lie that weâre all beautiful just as we are. Itâs a shameless lie.
The uglification of females in games goes way beyond flat chests. Besides, and I wrote this before, the beauty of chests has more to do with shape, not size.
Representation is fine, through customization. Replacement is not.
Edit: itâs great seeing you back! Where have you been hidding, mate?? 
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There are, but lets be reasonable. Do you really want to see the shortest, fattest, and skinniest with strangest postures and gaits? Ark][ has that problem. The dolls no longer look human.
You know what is truly debilitating? Seeing people celebrating morbid obesity through the idiocy of the body positivity movement, instead of telling them the truth. It already killed a few people. Itâs like saying everything is fine to an anorexic. Itâs not. It will kill her. I lost a friend to that because everyone spent too much time beating around the bush not to offend her.
Life is hard. You better be prepared.
Itâs always better to face things as they are than to pretend they are something they are not.
When I speak of beauty, Iâm always speaking about the physical aspect of it.
There are a lot of beautiful and charming ugly women, much more interesting than any dumb barbie.
Anyway, knock yourselves out.
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Yeah and thatâs where i keep going back to in thisâŠI donât want Ark and itâs methods but is it so wrong to put out there a more muscular physique for females? Or a less toned male figure? These would have to be pre-generated so that we donât get the Ark oddness.
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I agree, yet I havenât seen an optimization for it. That means more possible changes or not at all. Avatar skins are expensive in processing and trading. We started to call our avatars as âtoonsâ and the avatar as âthe player with skinâ Doesnât make sense now, eh?
And that, right there, is at the core of what you hold dear to and refuse to accept is wrong.
There are places where people prepare insects, as a dish, and eat them, which makes a lot of other people shudder in disgust. There are people who love spicy food and people who canât stomach it. There are people who love the taste of broccoli and those who abhor it.
What goes for food also goes for looks. Your idea of beauty might be shared by many â including me â but itâs not some moral absolute.
Hereâs your view: âMy definition of beauty is shared by a lot of people, so if you donât fit that definition, youâre ugly and you should accept that.â
Hereâs my view: âI donât find you attractive, but someone else might find you beautiful.â
If you want to know why your view is plain wrong, you should study some history. There was a time when women had to be literally pale to be considered beautiful, because being tanned was considered ugly. Nowadays, nobody believes that. Hopefully, the society will get to a point where the majority sees your view in the same light as that one.
I was spending time away from the forums because they added nothing but toxicity to my life.
Plus, I donât play Conan Exiles anymore, at all. Not coming back to it, either. Probably wonât hang around the forums as much as I used to, as a result. Iâm mainly on the forums because of BUGLE, to provide support.
Iâve been hanging around a bit more today, because Iâm preparing the release 1.3.0 and was looking for a few specific topics and posts.
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This one would also like to see more options.
From the realistic to the idealized.
We can cry diversity, inclusivity, or tradition as much as we want. But having greater variety does not remove the ability to have what someone wants. So this one sees no loss in such an expansion.
Of course this one also would like to note that Howard himself gave us an impressively acrofatic character in the guise of Taurus of Nemedia.
So, the body options arenât as robust as this one would like. Neither are the Hair styles for that matter.
Perhaps, sometime in the future, when we can drag our minions to the orb of Nergal, there will be a more robust form generation system.
Tencent could even go for the sweet Enby money and create more body type options and release them in the Bazaar. Thatâs a joke.
A bad joke.
While some off features or unnatural hair colours may be good Bazaar fodder, this one doesnât think anyoneâs swollsona should be paywall gated.
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You live in a fantasy world, but have the heart in the right place.
Yes, some people are ugly. Even their mothers would agree with me! 
Beauty is not entirely relative. There are variations according to time and place, but these are irrelevant.
Besides, attractiveness is not guided by will. You look at someone and you know, not mattering how much you pondered the subject.
I traveled a lot. By a lot, I mean Iâve met many, many different cultures. Iâm still to find a guy who thinks a woman as Angelina Jolie is ugly. They settle for what they have. They even appreciate greatly some traits we would find lacking in taste. But a hot woman here is a hot woman everywhere. Experience taught me that. And about oddities in relation to cuisine. Iâm Portuguese, dude. We eat things that would make most of you guys vomit on sight! Itâs not the same. I got your point. Not relevant though.
Thatâs reality. It doesnât matter if you are ugly in Brazil, but the beauty standard in Timbuktu, unless you go live there. And youâll still know.
Anyway, this is a topic too big for me to discuss at this time of night in a foreign language. If I write in Portuguese it wonât matter, since you wouldnât understand. If youâre ugly in your social context, it doesnât matter if you are beautiful on Mars.
Edit: donât be a stranger and drop by more often!
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If Iâm being perfectly honest, Iâd say about 90% or more of women Iâve played games with or spoken on the subject with. Most of them DONâT want to be reminded of bland and meh looking female characters when they play a game. Many will pick a character simply because theyâre pretty. I think itâs a common misconception that women donât want to play pretty female characters.
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Iâve been asking it for years to no avail.
If the topic was greater freedom in customization, I would whole heartedly support it. But that wasnât the purpose of that video. Not in a long shot.
People pushing this horrible trend know that perfectly. They are removing choice under the guise of âinclusivityâ, and âdiversityâ something that â â â â â â me off doubly. Itâs just an excuse and a lame one at that.
I agree, the OPTION to make such a body type is nice, but the issue most developers have put forth today have been to make presets that arenât very attractive OR an already created and fixed character that youâre forced to use. Games like Street Fighter 6 and Dragonâs Dogma have made strides in building character creation settings that allow you to make the character body types YOU want to make, and I think thatâs awesome. The problem lies in the limitations of being subjected to something no one asked for, rather than allowing the creativity to flow from the player. If you want an overweight character, or a really skinny character, or even an overly muscular or androgynous character, more power to you, but donât impose that on the player base as a whole.
However, in the case of Conan Exiles, I donât see this as a great possibility, simply because they fix outfits to body types. A boob slider is one thing, but even that has issues with warping textures and stuff. You can only imagine what other clipping issues youâll get if they suddenly changed up with an option for body types. I commend you for your argument, but I donât see this happening as a plausible option until, say⊠Conan Exiles 2 or something. Theyâre just not there yet.
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Although itâs true that âeu nĂŁo falo portuguĂȘsâ, I can read it well enough to understand, since itâs close enough to Spanish.
Ademås, si hay algo que no entiendo, puedo buscar traducción, ya sea a inglés o a español 
Thatâs not what I said. You took what I said and chopped off some important context, until you were left with something you could reply to in a way that supports your argument. Thatâs usually what we call a straw man, but letâs say that maybe we can blame the comma I put between âdefendâ and âbecauseâ.
Comma or no comma, thereâs plenty of words there that you ignored in favor of making a point, words that shouldâve made pretty clear what I was saying. 
Unlikely. Iâm already tired and bored of tilting at the windmills, especially when we start spiraling down the drain of dishonest rhetorical tricks like the one I replied to above. Iâm pretty much done with this discussion.
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Exactly this.
Donât force it on people.
Allow them to choose. But they are well aware what the choice will be, thus removing it, as the good little tyrants they are. Itâs not innocent and it goes well beyond gaming. Itâs fueled by the richest investment conglomerates on the planet, but some people still believe it is for the greater good of society. Clearly, they never had any experience with these people. I do. Itâs all bullshit.
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I cut them off because the REASONS for choosing that character type are irrelevant. Society may portray something as one thing, but to blame a developer for giving people what they want is another argument altogether. You can go about blaming society for implanting ideas in young, impressionable heads⊠or you can make money and give people what they want. One â â â â â â everyone off, the other lets the players decide and becomes a win for everyone.
Bye then. I hope to see you around in other topics.
It was nice âseeingâ you!
This is complete bs, btw. You donât need to be taught what a beautiful woman is.
Even in remote areas where youngsters have little contact with the West, the moment they see one of our hot chicks, they go bonkers! And theyâll have much less of a problem showing it, because their culture is usually more spontaneous. So no, thatâs bs. It only refers to superficial details. A hot woman in the West is a hot woman anywhere on Earth and that doesnât need to be taught. Thatâs a lie that I know through experience.
Itâs a bit of a stretch bringing up that specific example⊠especially in this contextâŠ
Thereâs 2 possibilities here⊠and it mainly depends on what you meant by âtelling them the truthâ.
If you meant that theyâre not âattractiveâ, then that is your own subjective truth, which would mean you didnât understand what Codemage was trying to say if you wish to present poor morbidly obese people with THAT âtruthâ. (just to reiterate⊠while it might not be the majority, but you can bet your ass thereâs somebody, somewhere who would find them attractive and that would be THEIR subjective truth)
The other possibility is that by âtruthâ you meant that theyâre not healthy, or even if they momentarily might be, they are at a higher rate of risk to develop various health problems⊠then sure you do have a pointâŠ, but that would also mean youâre moving the goalpost and trying to bring up an example that can be objectively observed through various scientific methods⊠(health)⊠in order to try and justify something subjective and abstract like beauty
In any case, I was just passing by and wanted to throw this gif in and saw your post and got side-tracked 
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