Is this ban evasion?

With familyshare they do not earn money and do not get the sells numbers up. You buy one account and then you share this account with the whole family, even friends. Thats the reason why it is turned off on officials. I mean you can still do it, just another way, but thats another story.

Every account they sell is a potential player on the papers and this means reputation, free advertisment and additional money. 1 million sells or above and your game will get prices and recognition from big gaming magazines. They will hype you for free. People like to buy into games that get hyped because of high sellnumbers. Remember Vallheim? V-Rising, where sales got to the roof in a couple of days. Numbers are important. Constantly selling accounts is a must. Once numbers dry up and don´t raise anymore even after an big update, the games days are counted.

In all fairness, the pvp community may be toxic as hell, but with its constantly buying cheap alt accounts it is supporting Funcom in their own way. Accounts are cheap and the playercount doesn´t go up ingame but yet it does count on the papers.

Another side of the story is, that it would simply be impossible for Funcom to handle all the reports and bans on alt accounts. First they would have to proof that you are the same person with that alt account, which is highly unlikely, because several people in a building can share the same public ip adress if they are sharing the same router. If you turn your router off and on again, you most likely will get another public Ip adress. Most European countries are very strict when it comes to datamining and datasharing. They have laws of what data can be shared and most of them require you to consent. Without your consent only limited data can be shared. Probably the IP adress would be without consent, I don´t know, but still you would have to proof its you using this alt accounts and internet providers here need to cut of your internet connection every 24 hours for a second so you are regularly changing IP adress. You can also use cheap vpn. So in order to ban you for god they would need to ban your direct pc id, which they can´t expect you are using real cheating software and they can proof that your actions have caused them financial loose or hurted the company in another way.

Even if Funcom would forbidd to use alt accounts its like I said before. People do not care about rules on officials. They come and go as they please and they play the way they wanna play. It is what it is and its not changing, no matter how we think about it privately. This is a battle between the pvp players and Funcom that started years ago. Funcom never got the upper hand and they never will. But they learned to use some stuff to their advantage and that is all their is to it. Funcom makes a move, the pvp players make one. Its a constant back and forth battle and they will never be on the same side of the page.

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Sorry this is no proof. Anybody can make an alt account and pretend to be another person, make the same clan name and act as if they are back. Just so that the banned person gets into more trouble. Accounts are cheap, you get them under 5 bucks. And by the way I say this as it has happend to me on private servers several times. I am using the same name on every server and people literally took my name when I was not playing and pretend they are me until I was told from allies what wass going on. This is no joke, you get very disturbing crazy people on pvp server. No matter the game.

Also what people write in chat holds no water. If you would report every player for what he writes on official servers, Funcom would have to ban 3/4 of the players.

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Of course it’s no proof. If you’re dumb enough to pretend to be someone who got banned, you deserve getting banned too. Not that it has to be the only information they use to determine whether you really are who you say you are.

The banned person, in the hypothetical case we’re discussing, is already banned:

See the mention of the word “exploits”? People who use exploits get banned, not suspended.

Hate to break it to you, but what people write in chat is also grounds for suspensions or bans. There are rules in TOS that cover that. So if 3/4 of the players start breaking those rules and get reported for that, then Funcom would have to ban them.

That said, I’m really not going to argue with someone who already made up their mind that Funcom is doing this to artificially drive their numbers up. I’ve found that people who like conspiracy theories rarely get swayed by rational arguments.

No, not the person gets banned, just the account. And that is a big difference. If they wanna ban you as a person (prevent you from playing) then they literally need to ban your pc. Because only then you get denied access to the game, no matter the account you are logged in.

Edit: you just don´t like arguing with me because I know how to stand my ground against you and you don´t like that. But thats ok. We do not have to argue. I know the pvp community better then you will ever do. Have a nice day.

Are you sure you’re on the right forums? These are the forums for Conan Exiles. This game doesn’t have a way to “ban your PC”.


No, seriously, I’m genuinely curious right now: what is wrong with some people here? I mean, how come people need to make up things that aren’t true (e.g. “PC bans”), talk about things that have nothing to do with what’s being discussed (e.g. “what if two people had two accounts”), and stuff like that?

Im not talking family sharing. And yes, Im aware its the weekend and replies are unlikely…heck, this thread is more likely to get delisted then an actual reply from Funcom on the matter.

Buying a second copy of the game on another computer isnt an exploit.

A father and son might share a computer, steam account and games. Doesnt make them dumb, maybe thats the situation they are in.

Buying a second copy alone is not. Using it simultaneously on the same official server for an unfair advantage is.

If this thread gets closed, it might be an indicator wouldn’t it? I mean, there hasn’t been any straight up intolerable vitriol thrown about, so it stands to reason, if it gets closed… that would mean something was being discussed that was verboten, does it not?

Nope

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Nope.

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The situation is that you gave someone else keys to your account and they did something with it to get you banned.

There are reasons why we don’t give people access to our accounts. One of them is that people might do something they shouldn’t while impersonating you.

If you did that, you either ignored the risks (which is dumb), or you accepted them (which means you get your ban and all its consequences).

You can split hairs about whether it’s “dumb” or it’s a heartbreaking story about someone who couldn’t afford another account, but the point was never whether you can afford an account or not. The point was that you don’t give someone the keys to your identity without assuming the risk that comes with it.

Yep.

Oh, wow, I can totally see why you “argue” that way, it feels great! :crazy_face:

And that takes us back to square one. Its not listed anywhere that this is against any rules.

No. Funcom could look at it as bashing them and close it for that reason. Weve all seen threads closed for less.

No, I am referring to a case where two people could share the same steam, games, and computer legitimately and that they arent dumb for doing it like you stated. If one is cheating the other suffers of course, but thats not what I quoted you for.

Gee, what has the world come to if you cant share with your family? Are people so paranoid that they wont share a PC with a parent or child? Lol, and I wear tin foil hats…

I pray you never have hard times, and have to budget yourself down to the last penny, cutting as many costs as you physically can. Ive been there, its not pleasant. Some people are still in that situation, and it never makes them dumb. Thats all Im saying.

Banning someone for “impersonating a player who got banned” requires no effort to debate. Its not only irrational and childish to want that, its insane to think a gaming company would even remotely think that.

You realize that I just defined exploit in that sentence right?

Ofc they have. Every gaming company can do a Hardware Id ban. Valve still has it in their policy, at least as far as I am aware of. Every Steam game can be be hardware Ip banned. Epic Games for example does it successfully in Fortnite.

Of course people can and will share. Being responsible about how you share is not “being paranoid”. Accepting the risks of sharing is not “being paranoid”, either.

If you’re sharing with someone who you think might do something they shouldn’t, then you either set up a different account for them or you accept the risk of sharing your account with them. This is neither “being paranoid”, nor rocket science.

That ship has sailed. I’ve been there, done that, and yeah, like you said, it wasn’t pleasant. I don’t wish that upon anyone.

That being said, my dad wouldn’t have passed me the keys to his car and let me drive without a driver’s licence, for example. And had he done that, I doubt anyone would’ve cared about our situation.

No, I’m not saying that’s exactly the same thing as giving someone access to your account in a videogame. But I am making a point about accepting responsibility and accepting risks.

Yes, I got it. It’s not dumb. Congratulations, you found an example where giving people access to your identity isn’t dumb. I was wrong about it being dumb in general, because there’s a case where it isn’t :roll_eyes:

Why shouldn’t a gaming company think of that? Because it’s “not fair”?

Let me break this down for you: the point of banning is to remove certain people from playing on official servers, because those people have shown that their actions will drive other people away from your game, which will be bad for your bottom line. If you let people come back, tell other people they’re back, and then just go “nah I was just kidding, I’m not that person”, then you might as well get rid of banning whatsoever.

And, of course, there are people who will argue that’s exactly what Funcom should do: never ban anyone for any reason, because it’s pointless. If that’s what you want to argue, that’s fine with me, but that’s a separate discussion. This one is about alt accounts.

Yep this thread will be closed with nothing to gain from it other than further separating the playerbase.

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There is no justification for exploiting alt accounts to get around a ban. It’s wrong, irrelevant on if it’s able to be detected. I’m at a complete loss at how detection has anything to do with right and wrong.

The reason pvp is so toxic is because of this.

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I guess my argument has shifted towards alt accounts in general, as you will never be able to prove someone is using one to get around a ban. My thing is if you deem them a “exploit” then you may as well sign off hundreds of players.

I have 3 accounts. 2 are permanently banned for building. (Not cheating) my 3rd account is my main accounts and it has one strike on it. Am I a cheater because if I want to play again I’ll have to make another account? The one’s arguing so heavily against alts haven’t got it by a building infraction (ban). You all don’t play official pvp other than @erjoh and he plays as a solo. The only way for a large amount of players can continue playing the mode they enjoy is through alt accounts due to the tos. Like it or not.

Because of what? Players wanting to play a game they got banned from for building? It’s literally a building game with unclear rules and insanely heavy handed punishment.

So here’s by problem with this. Like I’ve said I’ve caught the heavy hand from crom to know how this works.1 of 2 scenarios will happen And in both you will have no warning it’s coming. 1 you log in for a normal day of Conan and your base completely pops into a million pieces. This will 9/10 result in you crashing (So no loot bags). 2 you simply won’t be able to log in and your base will remain on the server for anyone to blow into or decay (resets to full decay time).
So my point is how are they knowingly getting all of their loot out before getting wiped off the map? Did they tell you all their plans and did you tell them you were reporting them? Because unless they knew exactly when crom was coming this plan wouldn’t work. (Also in both scenarios the vaults and other placeables will remain on the ground after the devs come. So maybe that’s something on their end they can address)

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Says the fact that the only mechanism that Funcom can directly control, Family share, is disabled on officials. And not only is it disabled, when they put in the option to disable it for servers, they disabled family share for everyone while they fixed it. If having an alt was okay on officials, they would enable family share, and wouldn’t have patched the game to be able to disable it. You can do whatever you want in single player and a private, but not on officials. Having an alt is a direct work around to not being able to use family share and that makes it an exploit which is firmly against the rules.

It really is beside the point. The question of “is it okay” has an answer, and all the rationalizations anyone makes is not going to change that. If you get caught using an alt after being suspended, expect to be banned. The point of the suspension is to get you off the server; not ask for a check to continue playing on it.