So you’ve got not cite. Talking out your tasset.
Don’t shout at me, Jim. You’ve got a real interest in seeing the Public Golf Course get shut down, seeings how you run a couple Country Clubs.
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You flatly said that Officials are a hive of scum and villainy and when challenged for a cite you do your normal thing. Inflate, obfuscate, deviate. It’s your experience. Good for you, and I’m sorry the server’s treated you poorly. We’re not all like that.
Some of us like to build cool things that also serve as tactical items. But we’re petrified to do any of that, or even ACTUAL TACTICAL THINGS because of the vague, deficient rules. All your wishing that we’d be shut down won’t solve that problem. Are you willing to pursue a solution, or do you want to keep spinning your wheels?
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Other side of the shoe…
Unless those admin play other games with those cheaters. seen it more often than not. Maybe yhere is less reporting about toxic cheaters on privates because from my experience, they are usually close to the admin and the reporters are banned? .So be careful when lumping groups and making biased claims. I know mine are biased from my experiences, but do you? I post this to make sure people know privates are not utopias of perfect gamers.
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Do YOU have a citation on that?
i just said, i have experienced it. And acknowledged my biased aga8nst pvp privates because of it. But you make group claims bashing off8cial llayers alot. And i wanted peiple to know your biased is only based on your experience and not some knowledge gained directly from Funcom, even those FC employees on the discord group you are close with.
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Weren’t you the one who said you were against getting personal? I can pull that quote unless it’s been locked, but pretty sure you did. So why is it fine to poke your nose into things that don’t concern you and make wild speculation on things you know nothing about?
Please keep your comments civil and on topic. I do not have any reservations concerning locking and hiding this thread if it continues to evolve in the direction it is currently headed.
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Help me out…if your gameplay is dictated solely by survive, build, dominate when playing games with other players then how do you play and not be the villain? There is more than the motto…there is the assumed role of good gameplay because it’s a game and if people refuse then regulation must arise to keep the game going else the rabid dogs of survive build dominate will self destruct the game. If people won’t take on the responsibility of the enjoyment of all playing, then someone has to. FC has thought the player base would do just that…the regulation enforcement is them giving up on the players to be mature. It’s meant to be insult to all of us and we only have ourselves to blame for the state of officials.
There’s no difficult conversation to be had. Kick from server, ban and delete character, and then ban from discord whenever someone cheats. No problem here. And as Jimbo pointed out, we don’t normally have to wait for a report or accusation. We see it in real time.
Periodically server admins (I can’t speak for everyone, but suffice to say I’ve seen them do it on every server I’ve helped admin on) login their admin character and just do checks around everyone’s bases. We have tools Funcom doesn’t have (and if they have similar via live web interface, they’re cumbersome to use by comparison) and we can in real time see where everyone is built. If there’s an undermesh, we can see it instantly. If they’re built beyond the green wall, we can see that too (I’ll see this right as I login).
Four years ago it was a little harder. If someone decided to shat the bed and foundation spam, it was a pain to pick it all up. And in some cases we had to let decay get most of it. Now its a single button press.
But believe it or not, building issues, hacks, exploits, and all that is actually quite rare on privates. Its common knowledge that doing these things results in a swift ban and it takes little effort on the admin’s part to rectify the situation. Its not a 2-3 week response time from Zendesk. Its 2-3 minutes on Discord or even in real time. Its more effort to act badly in this way than it is for an admin to fix.
Most of the issues I’ve seen admins deal with on an everyday basis is some other nasty behaviors that players get into. Harassment, stalking, and trolling. And I’m pretty sure this behavior isn’t limited to private servers. Having been subjected to stalkers when I played MMORPGs, I’d say they are far more common than people realize.
The problem is, Funcom is extremely limited in how they can deal with this. Unless the offender breaks a specific rule on server. There’s nothing they can do. You have to report said person on whatever medium they are using to get them off of you. But they’re still on server with you. Private servers have no issue banning someone for doing something off server to one of the members of the server.
But no, officials are not the Vanguard, our gates are quite capable at keeping the riffraff out. And as Umborls stated, not everything that is a problem on officials is a problem for private. It is much better for FC to police their own servers for violations than wasting dev time fixing them. I’d much rather have more content added.
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I’ve noticed the ones complaining about admin abuse often more than not also complain about bans on officials. I don’t believe the common denominator there is bad admins.
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This is on topic. This is about claim abuse on official servers. It’s literally in the title. Implementing the necessary changes to prevent this abuse game-wide just harms everyone else who isn’t on official.
Battlemetrics. I even linked it. If 9/10 of the top servers are private, that equates to a 10% official. You can by all means go down the list and add up an exact number, but I’d wager it’s not far off given the indication of the top list
Where are you getting that from? By no means did I ever say officials are populated exclusively by cheaters. What I said was:
I don’t know how you extrapolated more cheaters equals exclusively cheaters, but don’t put words in my mouth.
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This is a lie.
On Privates you can set rules about claim spam. People can read that when they sign up, and when their stuff evaporates they know why.
Telling a player that there is a demonstrated benefit to smaller claims is what you say when they ask “why” no spider webbing. You can say “the game maker says so.” You are not being true with yourself if you don’t admit that it makes the admin’s job much easier.
Survive is easy. Super easy. So is Building. Dominating is ephemeral for some.
Think of each server as a world. I survived, then I built, now I dominate. Building is a part of that domination.
OR IT USED TO BE.
When we all signed up, we were instantly transported to being a king of a server, with rivals seeking to topple or jostle for power. How far would you go, Exile, to protect what’s yours?
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Excuse me?
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It still boggles my mind when ppl who don’t play on official servers have so much to say on them.
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this 100%
Also the active attempt to derail the thread is present just like I said, by people that don’t even play this version of the game who have now got a moderator threatening to lock a very productive thread and they are pushing it further.
@Cattibria please enforce moderation on the Users, not the thread, the discussion isn’t the issue or leading to conflict but the same peoples behaviour and lack of respect is.
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But using that as the official stance, undermeshing and floating bases are just creative game play and obviously those not willing to do all should perish right? Why not support using the game as released to it’s fullest? Yes, I’m playing devil’s advocate here but for a reason. We limit ourselves for the enjoyment of the game and fairness to others playing, regardless on if we can do something shady or not. We all have said exploit players need to go…so we all recognize the motto is flawed (as is usually the case with marketing verbiage).
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You’re mad because you still can’t come up with a single cite about how
Now then
More of the same.
There are some pressing questions that I have in particular about pillar base trebuchet outposts. I also need to know whether encircling an island in the east is considered landclaim spam. Are we allowed to wall them off entirely, even if a good portion of the island will be unused? It is ideal for animal pens and wheels, but some of the masses are much too large to leave unwalled.
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Yep but then again, solutions of folks playing officials tend to be changes to the workings of the game, itself. That affect everyone and invites others that are equally invested. If the solutions being presented doesn’t affect them, your point would be strongly supported. However when there are called to increase land claim distance or so other coding changes to engineer away bad behavior on official servers, everyone is affected.