Pvp solo players thralls frustration

After weakening the thralls. I feel like the game is ruined for me. Im a solo player. Before i could survive with 8 good thralls against a crew. But now it take ages to level them up while they die in 5 seconds against players. So i stop makimg thralls and level them up. While this was the only reason why i was playing this game, recruiting npc’s
I know they was kind of to strong before. but at least put a trainingcamp or dummy etc so you can put those thralls into the building so they train on it and level themself up, that is going to solve that problem. That would be great because nobody going to make a empire of thrallls like they put into there trailer this way. And ohh give the thralls a option to patrol even if its 5 mtr or 10. So it become more alive instead of standing there as statues only. These two things can make it look like a empire game.

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I don’t understand where this mentality of having strong NPCs protects you as a solo player. If you can have 10 thralls, a group of 4 will have 40. Anything you can do scales with the number of players. Making thralls stronger will hamper a solo player more than it helps.

The only defense a solo player has in PVP is a benefactor or capitulation.

Even a server setting that doesn’t scale linearly with thrall limits will still scale the capabilities of a group over a singleplayer. 4 players with a thrall each will roll over a solo player with 10 thralls, even if buffed. Thralls were never more than a speed bump.

So you either need friends, or swallow your pride and ask your enemies what you need to do in order for them to stop attacking you.

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Not an expert of PVP, but I think a group of 4 would only have 4-8 thralls with them.

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For base defense as a solo you have 10, they have 4+4 players. Build your base correctly and you have the advantages.

To the OP, what you are dealing with isn’t the thrall nerf everyone is talking about right now but another type of adjustment. Thralls do half damage to players. This was put in a few years ago because of the advantage thralls had in pvp and there was enough outcry that FC created a thrall to player damage multiplier and it’s set at 0.5 for officials. It wouldn’t matter it you had 30 thralls defending. They would have kited and killed them even if they didn’t bring thralls.

War party is only used in pvp to quick level thralls. Thralls are not particularly useful and shouldn’t be seen as defense but just time killers so that you can repair or counter their assault

You are a pvp player. It’s easy for you to go war party agility build and kill the boss of the fortress. Your thralls will go from zero to 20 in no time. @Wak4863 has a video showing how to do it. Just fix a small fast outpost hidden somewhere close to order them to go in and command “stop”.
Then again war banners. Don’t they work in pvp?
The gold you gain from a simple visit on the fortress is enough to buy all the banners. Just place them every day on pvp hours.
In order to gain them easy is to rescue Iskaar once and have a barkeeper to call him whenever you wish.
Barkeepers come very often in low purges so even if someone destroy you last night, the next day you can set up a purge lvl 1 to gain a barkeeper.
Use all the mechanics and make your life easier.

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You cant have 40 followers.

Not usefull? You playing a different game then me then, im at officials. Like i said before they weakenend the thralls. They where very strong. Sometimes too much when i was fighting against opponents or they saved me many times. But now they weakened. But you can still have a strategy. Like dont seperate them but keep them together. So they dont get killed one by one but more fighting together. The thing is when you finally get 4 of them at level 20. The point is already almost there for someone to raid you and still not got the amount that can make your base secure as solo player. And when they die its not the effort anymore to level up them again after seeing them killed with some combo style in 5 seconds. I bet you cant win from 30 thralls in a room. They can be a real good defense, but not in minority.

Back when thralls had 12-15k health and did 400+ damage a hit, they were still nothing but a speed bump. If you’re fighting multiple players, you’ve already lost. You either need to make friends. Or be the little servant of whomever is attacking you and pray they eventually take pity on you enough to leave you alone. The devs can’t fight for you.

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There is the murder hobo option and stealth bases. Regardless what people say, there are spots and methods that still conceal that only grid by gies foundation sweeping will find.

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Additionally there’s some spots that not even foundation sweeping will get. Only the most meticulous of scouts will find some stealth bases

To top it off @Dion there’s even sneakier options that don’t require a base at all.

Unfortunately this game isn’t meant for solos. Crafty people have made it possible but it requires unusual methods.

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Lies men. Thats your experencie then. Im always a solo player. So how did i do it then. Even i runned away from certain thralls back in the days. They where crazy back in the days. Why you think they change it. People where crying at the devs.

I can survive very well. Got many methods. But i just love the content to have a lot of npc on you side. But cant find any other game that have this. They still sleeping making the same games over and over but with different looks. Anyway. I want to play the game not leveling my thrall up my whole gameplay so he can die in 5 seconds. Thet can come and try me if i have 60 thralls in my castle. I will make a change for sure. But now im tired with the game after i already made 5 of them.

Do zombies and golems get affected from poisoning?
If you make a simple round you’ll get plenty of pieces to fix golems. If they die the one who raid took literally zero loot from dead followers.
Are they slow?
Are they dummies?
Yes they are, but not so different from thralls anymore, thralls no matter the level are almost the same, their AI is more bad than ever.
If i play pvp i would invest more time to these followers and banners than thralls, they are both expensive and time time consuming.
In a game that your defense is so vulnerable and you race against time and uneven numbers, the fastest the best i say. Plus you cannot feel sorry for something you didn’t invest time in it :man_shrugging:.

Yeah thats why i said trainingcamps. So you can eventually have both. And dont need waiste your gameplay leveling them.

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I am not against this idea my friend, i believe that pvp needs it but i say with gold. Not for free.
Each taskmaster you gain can train a thrall on 24 hours, yet not without a cost, i suggest 10k gold coins.

That’s the difference we didn’t run. We killed and looted the thralls and pets. They were loot pinatas even then. The real reason they were changed was they trivialized PVE. They weren’t good in PVP, and anyone who relied on them were even worse.

Nahh just giving answer or maybe with a certain of food in the building. So cooking becomes more usefull etc.

Oh well many times i wanted to fight the player. But never the thralls. Because the damage i did was damm low. Feel like fighting against them take a lot of time. I was more scared of the thrall then the player those times. It was never the player that intimidated me. Thralls saved me many times too. But now they just so weak that it become toxic to even leveling them. So in short all i want is a trainingcamp. I bet you would not win against 10 of them in a room so. Maybe with a lot of arrows, running away, health potion and time. 1 vs 1 then yes. Like i said the trick with them is too not seperate them so they can fight together. Having 3 in every room or place is bad. Do you have a server? You can test it out.

More than three years ago I had an online friend on one of the forums, an experienced Conan player. He played alone on the official pvp server, and periodically talked about his adventures. Each time it was a story about how he cunningly built a secluded and almost impregnable base, and how it was found and destroyed by enemies, and he himself was killed. And so time after time. Somehow I couldn’t stand it and asked why he continues to play like that, is he really a mazochist? And he answered in the spirit that yes, he’s a bit of a mazochist))
So I have the opinion that pvp is a game for sadomasochists. :laughing:

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