Right. Just say it takes you 15 minutes to go get a full inventory of 20k stone. You have to do this 10 times to get the same amount of brick as it would to do one run of 20k black ice. That’s 150 minutes just to farm the stone. Then on top of that is the cooking time in the furnaces. Of which you have to do twice and hardened brick has an even longer cooking time than the regular brick. Both of which I have never bothered to figure out. Its hours and hours just to get the same amount of hardened brick.
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I know for a fact I filled up a furnace went and got black ice dry wood and resin made tho insulated wood and 100 foundations in the time it took for the first full load of brick to cook.
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I’ll do the time on it tonight when I get home and give the actual time to cook a full load of brick then turn it into hardened brick and how many foundations that will make. Then I’ll make the same amount of black ice foundations and give the time on that and then compare the times.
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Black ice is just too cheap and easy with very little penalty.
I did the time it took just over an hour to farm the stone and cook it into brick not hardened brick just regular brick and that’s for 115 reg brick using named thrall. I farmed an entire vault of black ice in same time frame. I also did shaped wood verses insulated wood those were way off as well.
Brick is cheap to make. Hardened brick is not.
The real solution is to have black ice structures cost more than they currently do because they’re as easy to make as T2 insulated structures.
I dunno how much you can balance it though, because you can get black ice by the thousands. Just spec yourself to 50 encumbrance, 30 vitality and whatever you feel like. Grab a map room. Use a map room to teleport to the obelisk outside of Temple of Frost. Turn away from the Temple of Frost to put the map room you brought with you down on a ledge. And then literally go take every single black ice out of the ToF. With 50 encumbrance, you can literally carry all of the black ice out with you. Use your map room and teleport back to an obelisk near your base. You can then make some sandstone foundations and teleport back to the ToF, pick up your map room, put down the foundations and then place the map room back on it if you’re on a PvE server and want to. Then you can freely travel to the ToF any time you want and travel back, plus the entire server can do the same thing.
Maybe the balance is to make T3 reinforced structures only cost brick instead of hardened brick.
Then what would hardened brick be used for?
Though perhaps if we could find ruins that we could harvest hardened brick from similar to the Black Ice nodes, in a place where there are plenty of dangerous creatures to kill us…
What if… We just added another step to black ice? Like needing Demon Blood to make black ice stuff? (And maybe undo the whole oil for insulated wood deal…)
Or perhaps introduce “Black Ice bricks” (Where we use Black Ice in place of Stone Consolidate to make the Bricks needed for Black Ice structures)
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Cheap yes. But the crafting time is booty TBH. Even with three improved furnaces and three T3 smelters it’s taken me three times as long to remodel half of my huge T2 outer defense wall —and I’m still not done.
Still use the hardened brick on T3 temples but you’re technically right…
Maybe your idea would work better, an additional step for the black ice might be the way to go to balance it out. And the consolidate probably is the easiest way to do it.
That way you’d have diversity in structures and not everything being made of black ice.
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You want to balance it make it require the same time and mats to make only difference is instead of stone you use black ice. You want it balance that’s how you do it.
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Add in the fact it takes 3 times the bricks compared to black ice.
Exactly if hardened brick required one stone for instance then black ice required one black ice. Like I said make it require same mats and time only difference would be black ice in smelter instead of stone.
I suggest a reduction. The unwised suggest increase. I’m tired of people saying black ice needing a increase cost. Fack all the unwise on the increase building cost. I’m a solo player.
You’re facking me over. Your facking noobs over. You’re facking solo players over.
Reduce cost. Black Ice has 1 biome were it spawns. Black Ice needs no nerf.
Remember this game suppose to allow solo playing and not facking solo players over.
I’m tired of Conan Exiles trying to be ark or rust. Easier survival game, more money and dlc you can sell. Ask minecraft, they’re still making money.
-drop the mic-
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I’m a solo player as well. All I’m saying is if they want to bring hardened brick on par with black ice make it require same mats and time. Either increase black ice or reduce time on hardened brick. I personally prefer hardened brick but use black ice due to the ease of getting it.
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I’m in favor or reducing the time it takes to make hardened brick myself…
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Noobs aren’t building in T3 Black Ice, by the time you get to that, you’re no longer a noob.
Black Ice could use an extra step simply for the fact that once you get the ability to make a map room and get Vit 30, you can place a map room very close to the Temple of Frost and Obelisk that’s right there. You can then go up there, take out the Frost Giants up front and then go behind the stairs going down and take as much black ice out that you want. 200% encumbered? No problem! You’re only carrying it to a map room with no enemies between you and it to take it whatever obelisk is closest to your main base.
If you don’t have an obelisk really close to your main base then you just put a vault or storage box on the foundations for your map room and take a couple trips to do it.
You can literally get thousands of black ice and back to whatever base you want to make into black ice in ten-fifteen minutes.
If you’re level 60, you can just wear encumbrance armor and spec to full encumbrance and take out all the black ice in the Black Temple in one run.
Black Ice is way too easy to acquire, even for a solo player.
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I was gathering black ice as early as lvl 15. It’s not hard farm npc get fur armor climb the Ridgeline in frozen north only thing up there are goats farm black ice and leave it’s really simple.
Just make black ice buildings need bricks,insulated wood steel and black ice or you have to make black ice harded bricks to add to the wood because as it stands needing wood and black ice with steel is dumb yes there called black ice wooden Foundation’s but thay are clearly stone/brick
It is true that black ice buildings are easier to build as hardenend brick structures. There are only two ways to balance it: Make Hardened brick structures cheaper to build or put another step into black ice buildings. Instead of just black ice you could make black ice steel that needs Firm/pressed black ice that would need some second Item to make it. Like Stone consolidation. Insulated wood needing oil isnt really a big thing. You just put up fish traps, wait a day, collect em and put them into the press. In one go you get 3 full large chests of oil.
For me the issue is the amount of stone required to make bricks. Carpenters benches get materials and crafting time reduced with thralls for every thing they make including insulated wood. The “hamburger helper” of oil for insulated wood is just make work. No real cost, just having to stand there and manage the limited space on the bench instead of playing.
Smelters get the time reduction but not the material cost reduction.
I don’t run an encumberance build and resetting my feats every time I want to mine the stone to make more than 15 t3 brick building pieces is not fun gameplay.
It makes the dlc less desirable for one thing.
On that subject, why does Khitan use so much brick instead of wood? Looks like wood to me.
Make work?