Revamp pvp mainly bomb

[Rekt]

@TenJumpChump

I’ve lost all faith in the devs

Coulda just left it at that lol

[NORfem]

Remove PVP all together, re instate all nerfed Weapons and placements issues again, voila Game Winner.

[Styker]

So t1 tactics should be orbs there delay and easy produce. You use this t1 doors and chest

T2 tactics is arrows to counter t2 ,t3 anti climb you can say to thralls and pets which is true but I hope they can eventually balance that part out.

T3. Bombs should be used to clear single layers and prevent player repair and rebuild. trebs and gods

[idjiit]

@Rekt

With the removal of fence stacking, I’m hoping to see a resurgence of trebuchets and gods. I want those to be the main siege equipment used in raids, and bombs to be used for things like doors, chests, and vaults. Doors in particular since they have such little health.

If you compare the damage they do I’m pretty sure you get more destruction from farming a god than spending the same amount of time farming bombs.

And it’s so easy to repair/rebuild bomb damage. With a god you’d just be dead with half of your base gone.

Not saying gods should be worse, I just don’t get why people have such a huge problem with bombs.

Also bombs are already used mostly for chests and doors. Trebs are better for vaults.

[Styker]

Your missing couple key points thinking god should feared more.

1. you can protection from god equal to god farm Which works off line

2. It marks it on map so u know where focus.

3. It doesn’t matter if wall missing or half your base is gone. Most work is not building it self it’s thralls and mats that need to be replaced.

Farming is a poor way to balance since key factors comes into play.

How big is clan
How much free time
Hacks

So best way balance item is not based on mats but based on restrictions.

You can try balance 1 bomb to structure based on time but then they would add 9 more bombs to counter.

To add one bomb at a time then you can measure damage or hp on structure loss.

Then you can balance repair and structure replacement.

[idjiit]

@Styker

Your missing couple key points thinking god should feared more.

1. you can protection from god equal to god farm Which works off line
2. It marks it on map so u know where focus.
3. It doesn’t matter if wall missing or half your base is gone. Most work is not building it self it’s thralls and mats that need to be replaced.

1. I know I just replied to a statement that it should be a main way of attack. (but I’m not surprised if a lot of the “nerf bombs” crowd would like a main way of raiding to be completely avoidable)

2. You can go to the base before it has finished crafting.

3. Well all you thralls and chests in that half of your base will also be gone.

@Styker

Then you can balance repair and structure replacement.

You mean making repairs harder? Cos bombs vs. repairs is already balanced in favor of the defenders.

I get a feeling a lot of people just want weak raiding and automatic defenses cos they cba with defending themselves.

[Styker]

No

Problem in balancing is bomb 8k say nerf to 4k so counter use two bombs instead of one or 10.

The problem about raiding should be balanced of time. Then struggle of other parts balanced being contested.

Think king of hill bomb should be viewed as contested of king of hill it should take them time to put it out so they push other people off to get to bomb.

This bomb while should stop all repairs and even after wall collapse bomb is still on fire preventing them throw another wall up.

Then a defenders should always be little bit easier. But not impossible to raid.

[idjiit]

I’m sorry but I don’t really understand half of what you’re writing.

But “too high” bomb damage is only related to offlining. As raiding is now, you could argue that they do too little damage in online raiding.

@Styker

This bomb while should stop all repairs and even after wall collapse bomb is still on fire preventing them throw another wall up.

I could be behind something like that. But then they should just do that first and see how bomb damage is with that change before they buff or nerf it. Too many changed parts at once just makes it difficult to see what effect the individual parts have.

[biggcane55]

@idjiit

Too many changed parts at once just makes it difficult to see what effect the individual parts have.

i agree.
I think just 3 changes for pvp official could show us if anything else is viable from that point on.

1. Dynamic building damage in 30 min cooldown if you log off mid raid, active 24/7. It has never been released into the wild, and privates dont really need it because if admin involvement. We never got to see how effective and exploitable it was, just theories by posters.

2. Move Jars and DP arrows to Altars. T1 4 x amount of dp, t2 double amount, T3 current. This makes it so if you want cheapest jar/arrow creation you show up 9n map. Also makes it where you would have to mule the jars because they dont stack. Creatung an ammo pipeline allows for counter measures.

3. Clan size reduced to 5. This makes 10 v 1 or 2 harder. Right now with followers it is 20 v 4 and what little ai the static thralls have in your base. 2 clans of 5 would have to avoid having ghier thralls aggro each other.

And all are easy to do.

1. Just activate already existing settings and monitor feed back over time.

2. Simple table and recipe edit.

3. Another in game slider.

If FC wanted they could roll this out with a hot fix in a week. And roll back settings if it doesnt work out just as quick.

[Rekt]

I’ve addressed this in a different thread, but I’ll summarize here

Gods/arrows are countered by the god bubble, but bombs have no counter which is why everyone looks to them when it comes to raiding. Gods are secondary at this point because bombs do their job better, more reliably, and, again, have no counter.

[idjiit]

@biggcane55

Dynamic building damage in 30 min cooldown if you log off mid raid, active 24/7. It has never been released into the wild, and privates dont really need it because if admin involvement. We never got to see how effective and exploitable it was, just theories by posters.

Agree, but I think timer should be longer if you log off mid raid. It would be too easy to build a base that can last more than 30 minutes and just abuse the timer.

@biggcane55

Move Jars and DP arrows to Altars. T1 4 x amount of dp, t2 double amount, T3 current. This makes it so if you want cheapest jar/arrow creation you show up 9n map. Also makes it where you would have to mule the jars because they dont stack. Creatung an ammo pipeline allows for counter measures.

Solo’s and small clans should be able to stay hidden, so no from me.

@biggcane55

Clan size reduced to 5. This makes 10 v 1 or 2 harder. Right now with followers it is 20 v 4 and what little ai the static thralls have in your base. 2 clans of 5 would have to avoid having ghier thralls aggro each other.

We just need different server modes. small clans should be one.

@Rekt

Gods/arrows are countered by the god bubble, but bombs have no counter which is why everyone looks to them when it comes to raiding. Gods are secondary at this point because bombs do their job better, more reliably, and, again, have no counter.

Gods are half a novelty because;

• bubble.
• Map marker (if you aren’t smart about it).
• Altar map marker. People often come to check out what’s going on there.
• sometimes bugs so you only get one attack.
• very easy to destroy.
• you often loose a lot of the loot because you destroy so much and the bags disappear before you can get to them (or you can’t carry it all).
• probably more.

It’s often just something you use for fun, if you got it free (from another clans altar) or as a last ditch.

Bombs have an easy counter;

• Repairs and build spam.

[erjoh]

I still like my idea of making bombs and dragon powder unstable. If you run, you have a 20% chance of igniting it and whatever is on you blows up. This would definitely deter it’s use and provide stories and videos of entertaining gameplay.

[biggcane55]

@idjiit

Solo’s and small clans should be able to stay hidden, so no from me.

The cost would be to use a T1/t2. That is balanced by the cost of cheapest and faster crafting of showing up on map. Staying hidden is really counter to an active pvp server tbh. Ther has to be compromises to get more people in game style. I myself like to stay hidden, but mainly because of offlining. Remove 90% of offlining makes staying hidden a choice, not a necessity as it is now…

[idjiit]

we already can’t stack fences anymore, to make our base take 5 minutes to raid lol. Can’t fit big benches in the base. Have to farm it all by ourselves. There’s already plenty of disadvantages to play solo. We don’t need more.

@biggcane55

Staying hidden is really counter to an active pvp server tbh

Maybe if everybody did it. Have to disagree.

[biggcane55]

And who says you have to craft bombs. You could always trade to get bombs from another clan. Again an official multiplayer server will always be harder on those who both dont want to be engaged in the raid and not be a part of the social aspects of it. Maybe online raiding isn’t really what you want. I am just giving compromised ideas. Why should a clan of 5 be more exposed than a solo?

[idjiit]

@biggcane55

Maybe online raiding isn’t really what you want.

Weird conclusion. Why would I care about bomb crafting then?

Raiding is all I care about.

Every aspect. Finding build spots, coming up with builds, scouting, finding weaknesses, the actual raiding… I love everything about it lol.

@biggcane55

Why should a clan of 5 be more exposed than a solo?

I didn’t say they should. I don’t like the idea of moving bomb crafting to altar at all.

I just used the disadvantages solo’s get as an example.

[Styker]

Ideal is you really can’t balance damage since I can lay 100 bombs at once.

So goal is have all damage in burn not explosive. Make it niche where it prevents repair unlike other weapons.

Make where u have to be on same side to put it out.

So bomb would have heat meter halfway it loses ability fill up. Defender has to be next to it to put it out. Forces defenders to fight.

[biggcane55]

Having the jars moved creates a better overall pvp loop.
If i craft jars at base i have to mule them closer. Stored in a vault. Or craft an altar near your base. R8ght there 8 created 2 pvp points. I can attack either your vault or altar. If i want cheap jars i have to show it 9n map. All strategic. Again tied to a 24/7 DbD mechanic.

Right now what is ee for from your side is you like it as is. Offline no pop servers. I would rather the pop be even double, and that would be a true pvp raid server.

[Sairdontis]

@Styker

T3. Bombs should be used to clear single layers and prevent player repair and rebuild.

I would agree with this if there was additional risk as the gain is too high for the cost of bombs.

@Styker

This bomb while should stop all repairs and even after wall collapse bomb is still on fire preventing them throw another wall up.

Then a defenders should always be little bit easier. But not impossible to raid.

As long as this could be countered with water orbs and possibly other means (asset that allows thralls in the area to contribute to water being added to the fire (think bucket brigade though not sure if the AI could support the animation to make it visibly shown).

Falling rock preventing repair would only make sense if there was risk involved for the raider also, ie. debris falling on your head as you raid under the wall.

@erjoh

I still like my idea of making bombs and dragon powder unstable. If you run, you have a 20% chance of igniting it and whatever is on you blows up. This would definitely deter it’s use and provide stories and videos of entertaining gameplay.

This would spice things up.

[idjiit]

@Styker

Ideal is you really can’t balance damage since I can lay 100 bombs at once.

No you can’t. You can place one at a time. Defenders can place choke points where 100 can’t fit or blow them up every time a couple have been placed.

@biggcane55

Having the jars moved creates a better overall pvp loop.
If i craft jars at base i have to mule them closer. Stored in a vault.

People already do. No sane person attack with 500 dp on him. you take 20-50 at a time and store the rest. (unless you feel super safe anyway).
Essentially having to precraft bombs would only speed it up a bit, because you don’t have to spend time on crafting on the fly. It’s not like it’s a problem hauling around 50 bombs with enc spec.

@biggcane55

Right now what is ee for from your side is you like it as is. Offline no pop servers.

Stop with the weird jumping to conclusions.

I already agreed DBD should be turned on. I only disagree with you people on some single points. Doesn’t mean I hate every suggestion of change

I would like raiding to be switched up a bit. I just don’t agree with a lot of the reasons and suggestions that I see from people.