Server Wipes for Some Servers

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Rank 19 out of 140 (currently 18 out of 140 as I write this) according to mmo-population.com in terms of user count is in my opinion the opposite of bad for a six year old game from a European studio with 250 employees that will create might one of the most promising sandbox games with Dune: Awakening for the next years - and after Conan Exiles, Mutant Year Zero was also released, a game that, according to the overall statistics, performed quite well.

So don’t just pick a number that seems to fit your negative perspective, JamCar, but look at the static values ​​described there at MMO Population from a holistic view in relation to Conan Exiles. In my opinion you are wrong in your assessment.

Ultimately, time will tell us whether all the complaining here is right - I would bet against it and claim that Funcom is mostly on the right track with its products for future, even with Conan Exiles. And in short: Nobody is forcing anyone to play Conan Exiles here and I’m really done with this whole topic now.

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Ahh, so you don’t like the idea that others view you as an issue, I see.

It really comes down to “what is playing”. Playing a game means actively engaging in it, no? How are you “playing” if you only log in for a few minutes to refresh? You don’t, because you aren’t. You’re waiting for something, that something can be different, but it’s still the same end result: refreshing and taking up space that someone else could potentially use.

While sandbox survivals are not necessarily unique, Funcom has certainly made the permanence of bases a unique thing. The ToC is of course easily misinterpreted and Funcom allows serial refreshing. But this and those who do serial refresh are not considering the sharing of the sandbox.

In sharing a sandbox it is usually expected that you have enough personal responsibility and respect for others that if you’re not playing in the sand you leave the sandbox. Hell even some private servers have a rule for this and will wipe your base if you don’t actively play.

So my issue is that you’re taking up perfectly usable real estate that could be used by others. Potentially new players, potentially new to server players.

Now of course, there are preferred spots but I’m versatile, I’ve built in the best places and the worst. So if someone is taking up a good spot and playing, fine, good for them for being there at the right time. If they’re taking up a good spot and only logging in a few minutes before their decay timer goes red, ya, it is frustrating. This is especially ■■■■■■ on PVP servers where survivability largely hinges on building in a meta spot. I’ve stepped into “dead” servers where every single “meta” spot was taken by 1 or 2 clans that only refresh; this happens a LOT. It’s selfish as hell.

Serial refreshers are the LEAST of my issues with Official servers. I don’t even care if people have humongous bases. Whether you like to accept it or not it has been a consistent issue.

For wipes, it would definitely address serial refreshing to a degree. I want wipes for different reasons than others who have commented above; just because I want wipes doesn’t mean I share their opinions - perhaps you were confusing me and potentially erjoh with others.

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yeah well, not at that time…I play when there is something new. In the meantime I try to keep what I have. That is how I like to play the game, and yes this is a valid way to play, even if you disagree, because I am not breaking any rules set out by the developers, just your rules.

it probably is, but why would wipes help here? Clans usually can build those blocking monstrosities within a few days, less even, and once there is a wipe, that clan might just get back to rebuilding exactly the same structure within days.

I stated earlier, that building block restrictions would be a better solution for this “problem”.

that might be the case, but you also wrote:

that is seriously no argument for regular wipes…you might think that nobody can feel entitled to certain spots on a particular server forever, but that is literally only your view of things. It is not supported by anything, other than youe imiganiary sandbox “etiquette”. There is no rule for such things in CE nore the other sandbox games I have played. If you do that with your way of playing…good. I don’t and I don’t feel obligated to do what you do.

it would seriously be strange if it was…

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Serial refreshing is not a playstyle.

I didn’t give any supporting reasons for wipes here. I’ve discussed it for years on the forums though. It’s not exactly what you were asking from me.

The reasons why I want wipes are:

  • clearing data to potentially improve performance
  • getting rid of BVs ^see above
  • addressing large caches of undermeshed bases, getting rid of duped loot ^
  • removing those undermeshed bases and potentially skybases if they ever make a return
  • removing loads of character files stored on the server that will never return, again ^
  • removing longstanding clans taking up meta spots for only that reason
  • clearing spam and bases not being rendered even though they should have decayed

It’s been no secret that I am a PVP player and much of my issue with Official servers stems from hackers, longstanding clans, exploiters and BVs. Clean slates mean evening the playing field.

Now, I’ve played little on PVE but I do see the potential benefits of wiping PVE too; while not for all the same reasons but also to shake it up more.

If your argument that serial refreshers are not that big of an issue then awesome, smaller amount of players that will get angry.

If wiping only PVP is a consensus I’d be happier than a clam; I’ve said it before to leave PVE out of it if the consensus was -no-.

If your etiquette is to be an ass then continue to smell like one shrugs.

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Why wipe officials? It would seem like a violation of Funcom’s ToC+Standards. I mean, a violation due to recent implementation of amendments. That allows the key holder access. Under urgent demands it may save a life (not the emergency itself).

Locally, that makes sense. Just saying. :raised_hand_with_fingers_splayed:

P.S. fork in hand

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the act of refreshing is not playing, but waiting out for new content with all your gear and then play, certainly is.

I hope they do that anyhow…pretty sure that partial wipes of players that haven’t returned for a year is done automatically.

you aren’t exactly entitled to that place either. If it is a huge problem for you though, hop on another server, you said you do that anyway, so…

that is pretty much the summary of the rest of your points really. And I can see that this makes really sense for PVP, but then again, fighting other clans over spots is a core dynamic.

no, I meant that their existence is not a problem…didn’t mean the quantity. And again, wipes wouldn’t necessarely solve that. You and others just claimed that.

you are the one adhering to an imaginary etiquette. If not following your imaginary rules makes me an ass in your eyes, you have more serious issues than we are discussing here.

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It’s the same thing. You can remove your base(s) if you have no intention of playing until the next major content update. All you’re doing is serial refreshing otherwise. It is not a playstyle to wait for something to happen.

They don’t.

Nope. But if I’m actively playing and making use of my choice then it is warranted. I don’t server hop because I WANT to, I’m forced to.

Not really. The majority of PVP is not dominance over space, it is dominance over others. Foundation wiping is not as common as people think. You can still hold a spot indefinitely by simply refreshing it out of spite. Seen that a lot too.

It’s also not in the rules to add a player and kick them to gain all their stuff either, if we’re talking about etiquette and all.

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no, that is just how you like to see it…again, I’m under no obligation to play by your rules.

your assumption or do you know that? Be honest.

also, that is just because you are applying your rules on others…

seems to me, that one got “wiped”…don’t tell me it was you. Definitely would explain your position.

and I care too little about PVP in this game to be informed about it. But when you say that “holding a spot out of spite” you are trying to dominate other’s spot though…otherwise you’d view their spot as inconsequencial.

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I know. I have characters on most of the NA PVP PC servers, many with BVs.

I don’t know what this means.

It’s clear you don’t so I won’t bother explaining.

Anyway, I think you just want to see your words instead of seeing what others have to say - arguing for the sake of it.

I understand why people refresh, I just don’t think it is justified.

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so much is clear…but other people think it is justified, and they are under no obligation to adhere to what you feel is justified. At last we could boil down that the reason you are against refreshing is based purely on your opinion of how the game should be played. Took some time.

yeah, sorry…characters are never deleted, but is it fact based that these body vaults have an impact on performance of the server? I doubt it since no data is transmitted once the body despawns, and taking up some storage space can’t be an issue for the server. I might be wrong though.

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No.

You are.

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Its funny how the people who complain or dont like serial refreshers dont like them because it doesnt match their idea of playstyle. They dont realize their comment “you have to share the server with everyone else” also applies to themselves, and that not everyone must play like them.

^ This is a good defence against serial refreshing, however, you cant tell me after you stated:

…that the majority of servers having very low population, that real estate is an issue. Remember, share the server.

Saying that someone is just taking up real estate because they dont match your playstyle isnt sharing, its entitlement. Literally walk for 2 minutes in any direction from that base location you wanted, and build there. I would find it extremely selfish if I wanted a players base removed who isnt as active as I used to be just because I want to build in the area. The map is huge, share it with all players, not just ones that play the same times as you.

I dont mean this personally at you Kiki, but towards people that have made the serial refresher argument.

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This is another example of not being mutually exclusive though. A server being over built by serial refreshers is not an indication of player population :confused: Cue dead servers.

But I am not really sure what you mean between me pointing out using real estate and thinking that if the game was taken care of things would be better in general? What do you mean “I can’t tell you?” I’m very confused. Do you mean by me saying that over built servers are the reason why there’s low population?

Entitlement is taking up build spaces to maybe come back and play for a few days when the game updates. I’m not sure how “playing the game” could even be considered a “playstyle” though. Playstyles are within the confines of the type of play. Like playing as a solo who hides or a dungeon delver. Serial refreshing is simply not one, it’s not a tactic.

Let go people! Let it go, let it go! The sandbox is just as beautiful in SP :smiley:

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The merges keep the game alive. It is limited, however. Between merges and nomadic behavior, players still want to play. Some like to watch the trendy channels on ps4 and ps5. Merges just don’t look good in a linear world.

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:brazil: feedback Conan Exiles @Community

Acho que a funcom deveria fechar esse post por não fazer nada para a comunidade…

É apenas um choro desnecessário :sweat_smile: sabemos que se fizer wipe o jogo morre :stuck_out_tongue:

O choro é de alguém que levou BAN e quer punir toda a comunidade que joga segundo as regras, aproveitem e olhe as regras antes de voltar aqui

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I was trying to make the point that if so many servers are such low population, real estate is a non issue.

You had argued that there was many empty servers, and then argued that real estate holders is an issue. But can it be that much of an issue if the majority of servers are empty? It would seem that real estate problems might be a problem on a few servers.

Thats all I was getting at.

The rest of it though, I wont say youre wrong. Your are stating how you feel about players in the game. Im going to have to side with Raudl on this one, theres more then one way to play the game. If he wants to keep his stuff and log in to refresh, only investing alot of time when new content comes out, hes entirely within his right to do so. Until there is a rule change, hes free to play like that.

You could say its entitlement for players to be like that just as much as I call it entitled when players complain that people dont play to their playstyle, so they want their buildings and stuff wiped. If people are within the rules of the ToS, leave them be.

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Thanks for explaining.

Low population = / = no builds.

Serial refreshing isn’t playing, it’s not a playstyle.

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:brazil: feedback

Acho que você agora viu que essa pessoa é apenas um TROLL e atrapalha muitas pessoas aqui no forum, tenha certeza que irá ficar marcando que respondendo tudo que falar somente para aparecer. Mas tenha certeza que essa pessoa é apenas um TROLL recomendo ignorar para não perder tempo com textos que não resolvem nada. Ela nem presta atenção no que escreve ou sobre o assunto que está envolvida :sweat_smile:

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What are your actual thoughts on the subject?

I get it, your feelings are hurt about being confronted about the largely incorrect info you spread on here. But stomping your feet and calling people names isn’t a good look.

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Wow this is still going on? Yeah there isn’t any discussion if someone insist refreshing and waiting till the next content release is a play style and just because it’s allowed, then it’s perfectly fine. That’s the same excuse sky bases have.

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