So, "War Party" vs "Well Trained"

No way to order them that right now. You just have to run and give them truncheons, take lethal weapons from them, tell them to attack.

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I’ll give it a look after I get back from work. Off the top of my head, my build is 20 Authority, 15 Vitality, 10 Strength and 5 Expertise (carry weight for heavy armour). Then I use Strength food & potions and a mix of strength/vitality armour.

That actually works? I’ll have to give it try later.

Nope. Gotta stop and change their equipment everytime.

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Ah… that’s sad. I used to use a MOD called “spare named” pre-3.0 which allows followers to KO T4 enemies when they spot one. It’s not working any more.
And I do believe I heard the devs say they gonna add more commands like “KO enemy” in AoS. Seems not ready yet.

What I do is - run like hell into a camp (before followers start their slaughter) and look at everyone right in their eye. If there’s a T4, double click command button at god speed and pray Lian stops right before his fatal blow. Then, I truncheon them down while Lian takes all damage unwillingly…

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Good analysis!

However, one element that probably affects the calculations is when you start corrupting your authority stat. There is a corrupted perk that divides damage you take between you and your minions, which obviously is more effective the more minions you have.

However, these minions will now lose the regen from the first uncorrupted authority perk, so its not all good. A sorcerer can also have up to 4 reanimated corpses if you dont corrupt the last war party perk. This would mean it cuts the damage you take down to just 20% in theory. I assume the reduction from armor is applied first, and then the damage is divided. (I havent actually tested because there is just one of me on a pvp server and I got tons of stuff to do). The first corrupted authority perk will also give a seemingly large damage buff to your minions when you deal damage yourself. This would also tilt the calculation, since damage dealt by minions is multiplied by how many there are of them.

ps. A single tanky minion does sound pretty good if your playstyle is farming bosses I think. I honestly haven’t found the time to test all of this stuff cause Im busy doing just basic basebuilding…

While it may be technically better
War party is still very strong on boss killing
Running 19 corrupted authority I’ve steamrolled every single boss in exiled lands and siptah including arena champion
The bosses die fast and none except arena champion lives long enough to do much damage to my 2 zerkers
(Arena champion didn’t live long she just does ALOT of damage)
Also I’m running 0 in str and agi so almost all dmg is coming from them

Tldr; well trained is better yes but war party still steamrolls all bosses so is in no way bad or weak

Did you play Conqueror’s Blade?

Nope, never heard about it. But will check it out! Thanks :slight_smile:

Without the berserker perk :confused:.
I play 15 strength, 20 agility, 10 grit, 5 authority, 10 vitally!
I take a potion for carrying more +45 in the light dragon hide! This is making me crush everything in the way, and when I say everything I mean everything. It’s very common to ask my followers to stop so I can fight. Arena champion fight now is almost a minute!
I don’t know…
I see my self just saying thralls to get out of the way, for good, maybe I will focus more on named bearers! How it’s their hp, is it nerfed too?

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It has been yes, but they can still easily get 8k+. I’ve seen some at 11k. Keep in mind they deal ass damage. Literally like 20% of the damage a level 1 player does.

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I believe War Party / Well Trained is most well balanced last tier choise. Unlike some skills where picking x trait is clear best option. WP WT gives you choise of “how you want to play” and be as effective as anyone who didnt pick that option.

I prefer War Party as thralls do get +15% +15% potion + food buffs if you put those in their inventory and click “use” items. Thus making them powerful enough to deal with anything and carry my stuff. :relieved:

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Thralls, after 2.4 are only healing pillows for me, if they won’t die and carry my weight it’s good enough for me. With the new attribute system you don’t need a lot to farm all you need alone. I need someone to carry for me that’s all. 10 slots on horse and 40 on bearer is more than enough, I can even place on him some healing arrows to make my life easier.
I really like the fact that you can train two thralls at once, this I will definitely use :grin:.

Bearers deal very little damage, however they can get pretty high hp, so using them as distraction when healing and for carrying stuff then they are great.
However I would very much recommend a T3 bearer instead of a T4(named) since they get way more hp per point in vitality than their top tier, also as a weapon give them something that stack bleed, poison or sunder since that doesn’t depend on damage output :slight_smile:

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A named bearer has more slots, and if the hp pool is 6k it is all I need. I will give him a shield and a mace too to block some attacks and am good I think. My friend @Frillen, I waited for so long these days, now we are more powerful than ever, we have commands, mounts, sorcerery…
It’s time for adjustment and slay we are the heroes I expected all these years to become, I ain’t going to waste it as a fat captain, or bearer of thralls, no way :wink:. Thanks for the reply, always appreciated :grin:.

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Totally agree with the OP assessment. The first thing I did was go War party, thinking it would be neat to have two followers vs one, only to find out how gimped they were compared to one using Well Trained.

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I also like to solo or just use a thrall to give me some healing room, but yesterday I ran into an event with 4 Migo’s and other storm creatures in a blackhand camp near noob river… Holy hell, I could not get anywhere with them, they kept throwing me on ground with their shockwave which has an insane reach + damage… I had to run like hell, mostly because my Dalinsia nearly died within a minute or 2, it felt so impossible to get near them, but it also was a bit exciting :grin:

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@Frillen
MIGO IS THE WORST BOSS IN GREY POOLS!!!
I always take nothing, in five MIGO fights maybe I will get a schematic fragment, maybe, the range is absurd and playing with lags it always ends up to run like a girl and find some window to heal! Now 4 migos??? I still didn’t drop on them, I try to avoid YouTube videos these days, they take all the excitement, send location I really have to see this, omg 4 migos… This is very damn challenging!

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I got two different named bearers killed at Sepermeru just yesterday, did not know about that! Thank you :+1: .

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LOL! zerkers are scrubs now!

Like ive said before- they require our attention now.

I like War party because - War party! :rofl:

fight-mass

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Yes been watching the Blue Tentrils in the sky on Noob River for days before I stumbled into that “Event”.

Was many deaths, and much frantic, naked running to retrieve my body, alas Yennifer of the Great Wind fought bravely and died upon my third attempt to reach her. Povre Povre Yennifer.

Kudos to Funcom for throwing an event on Noob River did not see that coming. (the 3 skull MIGO…seriously! damn FUNCOM, well played).

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When?, where?, how?, what is a MIGO? :flushed:

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