Agreed on not getting banned.
Yes I want clarity and explanation. I am not interested in game changes.
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Look I don’t want to make anyones life miserable. In fact I want to make it easier. I said I’m just trying to think of ANY solution to this problem at this point. Because it is one - no one can deny that. Multiple voices have risen now reporting on the same exact thing. There are bans happening left and right and people have no clue why. This isn’t how it should be. Dunno if you read my story on the friends I made which got banned for building a Hollywood kinda style sign with their clan name next to their base. Ofc it is unnecessary land claim but those guys played Conan for a month if even. Just give out some warnings and explanation or something to help people prevent mistakes if they did one. It’s so frustrating to play on official atm because you never know if some Karen-clan doesn’t like you and reports you for your totally normal base. I don’t want to waste weeks of my time for that to happen neither would you.
Either you decide to somewhat moderate your servers and do it to a reasonable extent with rules which aren’t some weird glibberish(which funcom even knows themselves since they are working on more posts for clarification) or you don’t. But this weird thing of “something but not really” is leaving a lot of people frustrated and demotivated and rightfully so.
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Then don’t ask for building limits 
If you’ve really been following this situation closely enough to notice that, then I imagine you have seen building limits proposed as a “solution” before and have read all the arguments against it?
From what I’ve seen on the forums so far, a surprising number of the people who claim they don’t have a clue why they were banned actually do have a clue but don’t want to acknowledge it.
But yeah, there’s also a number of people who genuinely don’t know enough about their ban. You want a solution? “Funcom should communicate clearly about bans” is good enough.
They’re not “weird gibberish”. They need clarification in certain aspects, yes, but they’re far from “weird gibberish”. Being unsure about how the rules would be applied in certain borderline situations is one thing. Claiming that the rules are unintelligible is simply dishonest.
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Is this not the place to raise concern and ask questions? Man I take a break after getting wiped 4 times come back and happens again but it must be because I want to break the rules and waste massive amount of time… “ no evidence you must be lying” so you are accusing all of these people who play different time zones, different server types? Why is it really that hard to believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with the official servers right now? I recently played got wiped no not by other players and a solo on the server messaged me asking what happened to our base. I told him this is the current state of the game unfortunately it’s currently unplayable even for smaller groups. A few days later he messaged me again saying his base got deleted. A solo who was somewhat new to the game. So a seasoned player can’t distinguish how to build within the “rules” how does a day 1 player stand a chance?
I have posted many times, made a few threads myself before getting wiped on this forum for a month. It’s been a little tough to read the countless new posts that get deleted after a day or two of pvpers and pvers alike getting the same treatment. Yes I said pvpers and pvers alike… yet we still have some of the community ( most who don’t even play official) that feel the need to chime in and completely shut down everyone and accuse us of all making up story’s. How does this benefit anyone? We all play the same game and if half the community is brining up a valid concern then there is clearly a ISSUE.
Now with the building limit that everyone seems to get all wound up about… Personally IF building to much is the issue. ( yes I’ve heard the that it’s not about the size of the build) I would much rather have a limit if it meant playing the game or not due to dev wipes. If that was to be a thing ot should be just for pvp because most of us enjoy fighting and not building city’s. The rules are vague or the investigations aren’t going according to plan… look up Conan pvp on YouTube. Show me a video that doesn’t address the bans or show at least one clan being banned in it.(not private servers) There’s some evidence just search for it but the ones asking us to post evidence on this thread are the ones trying to get it shut down yet again.
Everyone who’s posts about this topic has the right to on this forum because it’s a problem that needs to be fixed. Getting banned for building in a building game… come on
Ps the solution is not to go to private so please enough with it.
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How are you entitled to tell me what I’m allowed to ask or not?
Look, I saw threads about the problem but not about a building limit or any kind of trying to solve the problem. I’m not always active because the toxicity and passive aggressive hatred in this forum are horrible. And btw: you don’t have to read anything on the forum to learn about the ban meta. Go on a pvp official and wait 2-3 days. You’ll encounter enough people who tell you their stories. Ofc not every story is worthy to believe but I also have enough friends who got hit by that problem. I saw their evidence but it’s not mine to share. I still think a building limit at least for official pvp is not that bad. Many pvp privates have a building limit and it’s working just fine. But I can also agree with some arguments against it.
And: don’t take everything so seriously you’re almost talking like I directly attacked you. Ofc the rules are not unintelligible. I was being dramatic on purpose. While they are written in perfectly fine english it’s still hard to figure out what’s a rule break and what’s not. And there are still bans happening which are by no means ban worthy according to the rules.
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How many of the absolute worst decisions in history were preceded by this very comment? All?
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Yes, it is. It’s also the place to openly discuss other people’s ideas and suggestions, or anything else related to this game.
Thus it should be no surprise that the request for building limits will receive replies explaining why it’s a bad idea and why it has been a bad idea all the previous zillion times it got suggested.
Accusing them of what, exactly? Are people lying about getting banned? Of course not. Do people say provably incorrect things? Yes, a whole freaking lot.
“Funcom does not investigate reports at all, you just report someone and they get banned.” Proven false.
“Funcom will ban you merely based on the size of your building.” Proven false.
Those are just two of the favorites on these forums, but there’s more.
So yeah, people who claim something are generally expected to provide evidence for it. If they don’t, it doesn’t mean they’re lying, but there’s no reason to believe them, either. Especially when it comes to claims that are actually false.
Who said you’re not allowed to ask it? You’re allowed to ask for that and I’m allowed to tell you that it’s a bad idea and will make everyone miserable without solving the problem.
Then again, I’m pretty sure you understood what I was trying to say, just like you knew the rules weren’t “weird gibberish” but you were “being dramatic on purpose”
Many PVE privates and PVE-C privates also have rules limiting the building, and those rules work just fine. Do you know why they work fine? Because of the active, dedicated admins.
Changing the game to add yet another limit won’t help. This is not a technical problem, it’s a people problem.
I take requests for changes in the game seriously because I’ve seen bad changes happen after people screamed on the forums. So now I talk back instead of staying silent. If anything, it sounds like you’re the one feeling attacked by my replies 
And this is why people talk about evidence. “By no means ban worthy” is not something anyone outside Funcom can claim with confidence.
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Its an administrative problem from the owner of the servers and enforcer of the rules.
If banning someone for a sign saying: “Kimera” out of like 20-30 foundations is worthy of a 14 days ban towards a person who never even touched any of those foundations in funcoms eyes but dozens of hackers arent then maybe there is something wrong with the judgemental side.
There is enough evidence presented to those who should judge it according to you. But they dont. Neither for people who got banned for no reason nor for people who actually are allowed to use speedhacks on multiple servers without anything done against it. Showing the evidence here will a) get the thread closed b) some people will still find reasons to talk it down instead of supporting other players which have a horrible time. (yes, i know some people get rightfully banned and thats totally fine)
No, it’s not. Because as Funcom have themselves stated, there are no rules about size or number pieces used. None.
Probably BS… I’m not saying FC banning people isn’t out of hand. That they ban non-cheaters at all qualifies it as “out of hand” to me already. But a 14 day ban only comes when it’s your 2nd or 3rd offense and would likely need to include multiple offences in one action. Like maybe a building violation on a PvP, killing people’s thralls in a PvE server, and some form of harassment or hate-speech on one or both of those servers - all at the same time.
If the person is telling you they got a 14-day for a crafted sign stuck out away from their base they are either lying, or leaving out some details they may or may not be aware of.
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Dude what reason do i have to lie. Its no bs that is exactly what happened to my friend i saw everything with my own eyes. Believe it or dont i dont have to proof anything to you. Im not lying.
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I’m not saying you are lying. I am very much saying your friend is either lying, misrepresenting the facts, or is unaware they were caught doing “other things”. And I’m sorry but there is no way for you to know if any of that it true or not.
I think it’s cool that you’re championing your friend, but…
And in any case a limit on the number of building pieces a person or clan is allowed to use seems like it wouldn’t have changed anything.
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Neither do you. As i said. I saw evidence. I saw people in chat telling them they gonna report them for their sign because they were mad at them for getting raided. I saw the ban notification saying nothing but: Banned until 24.April what was 14 days from the day he got it. I was in voice with them explaining them all about exploits in conan which they were shook of because they didnt expect all that until they got wiped by hackers. Ofc there is a little chance they would lie to me but for what benefit? Why would 10 different clans who experienced the same problem lie to me? Maybe 1 or 2 of them are not honest yes but why would so many people also on the forum lie about the same thing over and over again?
Discuss with me like you want there are enough people who experienced it themselves. My opinion stays. Funcom needs to work on their rules and how they’re enforced.
That’s just simply impossible! There is no way for you to know about things left out of “a story” or things that transpired while you were offline, etc… unless you are that person you’re talking about. So, unless you ARE “the friend” in your extremely incomplete version of some partial event you can just give it up right now… because no one with any street smarts at all is going to take your account here as gospel.
Yes, we all agree with that I think.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Theydies and Gentlethems,
Associated Savages, Reavers, and Barbarians,
This one’s fellow Exiles.
If you will indulge for just a moment lyrics from one of this one’s favourite bands. A very talented group who do rock opera with a specific video game theme.
“When I say he was a monster
When I set fire to his name
It does not matter where you hear it from
Whether truth or lies, it gets said all the same”
Credit: Protomen “The Hounds”
Quibbling over the veracity of claims of unfair enforcement are perhaps not productive. Especially given the venue here. It’s an issue that is not just on the forums but has wandered widely into media around the game. It’s a talking point in numerous content creators videos and, as the lyrics note, whether truth or lies it gets said all the same. The damage is done and is being done.
A merchant must at least partially attend to their reputation, so whether this is merely a persistent urban legend, or a matter of cringe inducing fact, it is a topic that has become an issue.
We can blame sensationalism in media, but that’s as much an entrenched facet of media as hustles are an entrenched facet of commerce.
Did someone lie?
Possibly, did they in this case?
Unknowable to most.
Does the veracity of the complaint matter compared to the weight of the impact from it being levied, and with enough frequency to cause it to be an issue beyound the Green walls of the forum?
Even if there isn’t an inequity in enforcement issue, there is a miasm of distrust that has not been easy to shake.
In a few threads we have been graced with insight from one of the persons who handles Zendesk complaints.
Taken at face value (and let’s at least start on the foot of courtesy and not assume ill intent on the part of any party present) we know that there are numerous factors at play and that at least one respondent has a functional range of appraisal. But also did not note specifics.
However, just as our personal experiences are not the sum of the occurrences in the game (this one has never eaten the flesh of another PC, but this one knows many who have), likewise one regulator is not all enforcers.
Reasonable is subjective.
One admin may find a build worthy of annihilation that another would shrug off.
One player may consider a build worthy of reporting that another considers within bounds.
When the judging process is opaque, when data is unavailable, speculation by nature runs rampant. Given time, it takes root and becomes extremely difficult to dislodge, almost impossible without a preponderance of data, far more than would have been necessary to hedge it off.
A stone of cure being out performed by a dram of prevention.
TLDR; Accurate or not, the seeming of whimsical enforcement is persistent. We will not be able to prove or disprove it here. These concerns are pervasive even beyound the forums. We should try to be civil, save the cruelty for in game.
Gratitude.
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Please do not mistake this one’s weariness with unproductive conflict with an inability to engage in conflict.
This one is old and sometimes tired.
Not naive.
This old badger still has some teeth, and while their claws may not be as sharp as they once were, that will just mean the wounds they inflict are more jagged.
But perhaps a belly full of fermented honey has left this one more amiable and desirous of seeing the best in others rather than watching them wallow in their worst.
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Something needs to be done because on my official server I keep finding holes and secret base locations all plugged up by one clan.
I think a little forest for the trees is missing for a lot of people regarding officials. Funcom provides them at their expense so that a player has somewhere to play in their gameworld where they can actually engage with real people on a server that will get them absorbed in the game and want to invest more in it, thru dlc and the upcoming battlepass system. I’m sure what they would like after playing the game for a bit is for people to migrate to a private where they can really play to their liking and minimize Funcom’s own expense of providing players a free server. So it makes sense to me that Funcom would be pretty strict with behavior as they likely view any perceived abuse as taking the service for granted. They implement rules that are general enough not to preclude edge cases and rules lawyering, knowing full well its not the best, but its what they can dedicate in terms of rules enforcement to a part of the business that doesnt directly generate revenue, but is a loss leader.
So as unpopular as it is, if you don’t like officials you have options. If you dont like those options, you have to be a good citizen on the officials and realize that sometimes things don’t go your way because you handed control to someone else when you decided not to pony up. I detest handing over my time to someone else’s rules, which is why I paid handsomely in time and money setting up my own servers.
This is exactly the problem
What exactly are you trying to say here?
I don’t want to play private just like you don’t want to play official. Let me ask you this… if the admins decided to take control of the private servers and implement their tos there, do you think you would be safe? The answer is no because you make your own rules and you can do whatever you like. At that point you would be in here complaining about the very same thing. With all do respect this is a official sever issue and I know In your eyes it’s much easier to say move on go somewhere else but that solves nothing. You paid good money for your own server well I paid good money for the game and every dlc and so did the brand new player that joins a official sever and gets banned and never allowed to play the game again a week later. BANNED usually means you have been caught cheating. For years if you were banned you were 100% caught cheating (under meshing, 3rd parts hacks. Those are the issues that are worthy of a ban. I really would love to see the threads asking for such rules to be implemented in this game.
Here’s a solution. Give us a warning and tell us what is wrong. I feel that any customer should at the very least get this simple message. Why is that so hard? This is an issue that is not going away until it is addressed so if you don’t like hearing about it then go comment on a thread asking for poop to me added to the game.
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