This is my current Teimos Build
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Okayā¦ so what would you consider a fair test? 
Not counting Well Trained temporary bonus, your current Teimos has:
+29 Strength (had a starting str of 1)
+28 Agility (had starting 30)
+28 Vitality (had starting 3)
Would you want a test to add these values on to a stock Dalinsia so that they have a identical amount of leveled attributes? (plus any perks ofc)
Strength: 15 + 29
Agility: 0 + 28
Vitality: 30 + 28
Orā¦ would you just like to see how YOUR 2 thralls compare?
Sorry wrong pic. this is closer to teimos.
LOL did I just not say that. W/O the auth -well trained Del destoys Teimos. I think people are confused when it comes down to any other Build.
This IS only once again with the well trained perk. In any other build outside of teimos then the tst is not valid. wouldnār u agree. Any other build would destroy teimos. hands down.
I understand thatā¦ I am asking how do you want them to beā¦ Iām constructing your thralls from scratch 
Iāll just copy the pictures you sent then
I think they are all perfect. no change needed other than increasing the HP/DMG on all the tamers in that camp.
IF your looking for a way to tsest that. change the perks to be the same. i have little control over that. and quite literally out of resources to make elixr of rebirth. definetly very expensive to keep my tests up.
Teimos for the stats Uāve seen ; heās not OP and only is viable in that build. I dont want any changes to what all the top thralls. Hereās the diff with Del/Zerk/Teimos. Would U be shocked that in this Buid Teimos gets a whopping 1800 hp. Del just gets 800. This diff is why Teimos is better on HP. And the STR bonus is the same as Del.
I donāt understand what you see in that Teimos. A good RHTS has about as much HP even without well trained, but a much better damage multiplier.
Again: Donāt look at strength and the character sheet. Look at the hidden damage modifier. You can look them up in the Wiki, or go into admin mode and use āGetFollowerStat DamageModifierMeleeā in the console.
Many, many players have gone through what youāre currently experiencing: You rolled a good low-tier thrall, come to the forums to share the joy, and people stomp and your apparent super-thrall and talk about some strange hidden modifiers youāve never heard about.
Thatās frustrating.
But itās true.
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LOL like yeah. even that Teimos Doesnt compare to my build. AND SO is that Teimos built on the premise of like an Auth build with Well trained. if not. add 1800 hp to him. that like brings him close to 8k wouldnt u agree? I see your str-damage bonus. is 48. respectable. what was mine 52 or 54 cant remember. And see your str stat. like the growth percent is going to kill u. and Vit, I will never even try to train a thrall with less than 80% growth. keep re-rolling those stats till u can get to my Teimos Stats. put him in all godBreaker armor, with the exception of my exec hood.
I like will destroy any of my thralls if they cant best me. yes it is .
In your char above has like no stats I want. really 48% growth on STR, and from my testing I will not level a thrall under 80% growth in VI.
Why do u think I am like completly Destitute I have spent more resources that I like to even tst these stats. Yout pic is like nothing.
So how much dmg do ur thralls do with the Warmaker. if U can best my thrall then I will like give it up.
You seemā¦ uhmā¦ how shall I put this? You seem to see this discussion as a kind of contest or fight. People here arenāt trying to ābestā you or your thrall. We know something you didnāt know so far. Simple as that.
That you didnāt know is completely normal and okay. For some reason, Funcom decided to add a weird hidden modifier. Nobody gets that without learing it on the forum or the wiki (or maybe the devkit). Itās just goddam weird.
But please, after people told you - just accept it.
And if you cannot do thatā¦ Go into single player mode. Spawn and level a Teimos to 20. Spawn and level a RHTS to 20. Put the same gear on both. Make them kill a rocknose or something similar. Check how much damage they do per hit. Using a mod like Hosavās Custom UI can help to better see the damage they do.
Just spend an iota of trust in your fellow players. Youāll see something amazing.
May this will help, too:
Even the stats displayed are about as good as the Teimos you posted - and thatās without āwell trainedā. Add the hidden damage modifier, and that thrall (a renamed RHTS) is just plain stronger.
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Exactly. I have never said that Teimos is the #1 end game tank. All this post is about is destroying the myth that Teimos in that complete build deserves more respect than WaK and FS gave in their top 10 ranks vid. Iām not upset, maybe a little obsessed 
lol but would any of U consider that Teimos is easily (under that Build only) within the top 5? thats all.
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Okayā¦ since you seem to be the visual type and need videosā¦
Thereās your exact Teimosā¦ your exact Dalinsia, even made them nice Godbreaker amors like you seem to haveā¦
And I threw in a casual RHTS in the mix, gave them the perks your Dalinsia has.
Theyāre all followingā¦ and you have your Well Trained perksā¦ Iām even wearing follower damage armor.
I stopped the test when they started going far away and for each-others targets, but it was pretty clear even in the section you can seeā¦ and they line up with the numbers @Tephra posted above that you donāt seem to want to believe
Can we conclude this topic now? or would you like Firespark to make a ābetterā comparison video?
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Yeah, uhm, ābestā kind of means ā#1ā, but whatever. 
Also, if you go to 2:20 in that video, youāll notice that they all start off with the EXACT same attack, so you can see the very first damage values in the combat log clearly reflect the differences which yet again is in line with the numbers above:
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Very cool Xevr stats are stats. So tell me Xevr and Kal. will say this and let it go. OF all the tanks Uāv tested. Did any of them have 18-1900 AC If so then Iām wrong and will let this go. Since EQ I have always been a defensive tank. Pretty sure Iām wrong here rofl. but heck not fun if u dont play it.
Well yeah good point Khal. Frig really guys. lol I have seen that vid many of times. SO most of u think Iām off my marker with this. so be it. Iāve only offered an alternitive. Teimos in ONLY in that build gets into the top 5. best cant say. never had the TS thrall.
I think most of these responses were not comparing apples to apples. So is Teimos #1 as you put it. Like prob not. If you take Teimos out of that Build.
Really guys Iām not upset or anything else. lots of good constructive opinions. I maybe wrong but Iāll just go my way with Teimos. THX guys like truely.
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