The question is if there’s actually anything that can be done about it.
If you’re counting on players to do it, you’re expecting too much. Conan Exiles PVP won’t solve what stems from a social problem. It can’t and it just ends up reflecting it.
OTOH, can FUNCOM do something about it? That remains an open question. So far, perma bans are the best solution, but far from optimal.
You won’t see me type that.
Dont take my hot take on it as a statement of “thats the best way”, I was merely observing why I think its the way it is. It may inform suggestions tho if true. Let’s assume I’m right and say “sandbox game, so players need to make it work” is the MO, well then what player driven changes would lead to a better pvp experience? Like, I think the hoards are a step in the right direction; its something to capture from the opponent that has a metric attached to it, so if clan A thinks of itself as “alpha” but doesn’t have the biggest hoard by hook or by crook, are they really “alpha”?
I also wonder how the process of deciding who gets there accounts back work … of the maybe 10 people I know who have lost accounts due to perma bans I think 2 only had success in reversing it
Yet everyone was usually sent the same lamdclaim reply as the reason
Why were those 2 people able but the other 8 not…
Inconsistent in there own t&c we can expect bases to be deleted if we are seen as breaking the rules yet one of my bases didn’t even get deleted
My juices be flowen so lets giverago.
New PVP.
Official servers limited to 7 clans. Has to be 3 for PVP siege warfare to become active.
TOS is as is, but with some automatic flags for admin.
TOS will be clearly defined.
Flag system. I loved this system when I played a raid PVP game.
Player has opted out of raid/sieges. Could be doing PVE things like a dungeon or building.
Player or a significant number of the clan are off line.
Base has been raided in last 24 hours?
Base/clan/player are of a significantly lower level then yours.
Now this one is dependent on the player. Do you want an easy mark? You just want to tag the base? Do some damage and retreat. The clan tried an above level raid and it’s pay back? Doesn’t matter you lose your yellow flag statues to higher level bigger clans.
On the game I played your highest level clans/players watched for midlevels to lose their flag. They’d just plow in and dismantle it for parts.
Come get sum
Above your level. Be like a bog ■■■■■■ on a Bank.
Have to leave the math up to some one better with numbers . Have some clan level rating based on number average by keep size/foundation level.
Now that zombie base raider I enjoyed. On on a Saturday afternoon, server map is busy, drop the white flag and go. Most of the time it was players/clans tagging to feel out defenses. You’d get red flagged but could immediately drop it if your base didn’t take a lot of damage or you used a lot of ammo.
Now if your base is under a and you raid some one.
You get raided so under a But you’re just not going to wait and try to chase down the raiders and get your stuff back. That is fine right up to their door step. You damage their base and
Now this will be where I lose people fast. Your flag is on the map. Cool thing is with the new clan emblem system it might could be your clans on a colored frame. Or your clan emblem with a couple colored pendents.
On live making a dozen dark templer armors for my archers; easy, cheep mats.
You lost me the 2nd sentence in then I stopped reading .. we don’t need any changes to pvp just changes to the t&c to allow us to play the way raiding has been for years …
Yeah, that’s kinda the reason WHY the ToS is in existence, and it’s a good thing. So maybe you need to learn to adapt and just maybe you need to consider that things really do need to change. Banging your head against a brick wall is not going to affect the brick wall after all. By all means, keep racking up those suspensions / bans.
@Oduda
I will
As stated many times I think t&c should be in place but pvp and pve need separate, there both totally different experiences of the game they should not have the same rules !
I’ve adapted every time they change something in the game over the past 5 years. I’ve also dealt with all the people that abuse exploits that get left in the game for too long…
Every time I raid someone with friends we get suspended… even tho we follow the rules to the best of our knowledge, I’ve never been given the actual reason for my suspensions so other than what I speculate what I did how am I actually meant to know what I did wrong !
None of my bases looked anything like those pictures they use as unacceptable landclaim ! (Well maybe my first one but I never disputed that suspension, after building for 5 years I didn’t even know where to begin to start downsizing our base. That one was warranted)
Social problems can only be truly solved by social solutions. If you can sway the culture to acknowledge and reprimand/shame the behavior, that has far more reaching effect than authority enforcement. While some comply with societal norms because of fear of police, most folks do it because of the social feedback of right and wrong. If that feedback is absent, then only authority dictates right and wrong which then includes not getting caught as an acceptable solution of wrong doing. Those that thought differently leave the community and only the more… corrupted viewpoint remains. This downward spirals the community as the community will always outnumber the enforcement and so enforcement gets overwhelmed and disgruntled…and will increase over enforcing because of it. Does any of that sound like what is going on with CE official pvp? We need more people to be shining lights on the hill and be the change back to what it was before. It takes time (as much time as the cultured decayed in most cases). If no one takes that time, the community eventually self implodes.
If I lost you at the 2nd sentence how did you quote from much deeper in the post
Now that as just wrong, and a lot of players PVP and PVE think so.
I watched a documentary on social media in china, and ya. It is frighteningly effective see https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6845666/
It’s a bad habit I got from these forums, I tend to skim read posts from people that chat too much
I would disagree and turn this comment towards @TINK back on you. Maybe you are part of the problem. Let me elaborate.
Firstly these Forums were setup by Funcom to gain both negative and positive feedback from gamers on the game.
So all that is happening is that this is being discussed, players are pointing out what is wrong and suggesting ideas on how this could be improved. Not crying as you put it.
Secondly like many others that take a similar stance to yourself the only difference is that you haven’t been caught. When building a base you firstly span foundations down (Claim Spam (BAN) which you later add walls, doors etc. to, to make it legit. Also when placing torches around your base you could easily get carried away and either you realise this or someone else points this out to you. Which you realise is wrong and make adjustments. well if someone had seen and reported you then you would be BANNED. I bet there are many times people like yourself have broken the rules and got away with it and yet you think that the players that broke the rules are the ‘problem’ I bet if I was to follow you around over time I would see many violations.
Thirdly do you understand the mechanics of PvP? We use these things called bombs. Bombs can easily reduce a base or parts of a base to rubble. This rubble could then easily be reported as building spam and that’s a BAN.
Kind of agree. Cheats and hackers 100% a ban. Exploiters and dupers no need to ban, just fix this. After all just using a pick is technically exploiting a game mechanic to get more resources. Same could be said about undermesh and skybases fixing/preventing this would be the best solution but there is no excuse for this so a ban is also good.
I would guess that @TINK as like many others including myself got a few PM’s from the report spammers bragging about what they had done. And the fact that they were already waiting outside with their goodie bags confirms this.
You could say that building anywhere on the server doesn’t make it ok. After all like many people keep pointing out, we don’t own them. So we have no right to even use them. I am pretty sure that, that is not what Funcom want’s. Building that doesn’t block actual content or resources should be fine.
I kind of also think that Funcom could have taken a different approach. And that would be, If a player wants to experience the story, then go play single player. Then if a player wants to experience a constantly evolving environment made up of other players and their constructions then play multiplayer.
Really? I have seen otherwise on this Forum. Even you complained recently about Funcom not answering your reports regarding laggy bases.
I agree with @Nemisis raiding for revenge is much better than raiding an innocent that has no idea why it’s happening.
Yes, the person who has never been suspended or banned is the problem, not the person who has been banned THREE TIMES. Sorry but your can try to manipulate things all you want but that just sad.
Good, provide some evidence of this. Otherwise all you have is a cool story.
I find it funny how in all of these posts about people getting banned the fault NEVER lies on the person who violated the ToS. No, there is always some amorphous boogie man out there out to get them. Yet zero proof is ever provided other than, “we all know it happens”.
Report as harassment.
Read the TOS.
That wasn’t recently, that was an example of it being a waste of time reporting violations on PVE because admins are so busy with PVP.
ETA:
Means, really? Sounds like some one trying to justify a TOS violation.
So you agree it’s ok to go raid Bob’s base on your server even though he never raided you? I mean isn’t that raiding an innocents base? Oh wait, that is right, Bob talked bad about your dog’s sweeter on twitbook
You are so right.
Maybe the part where it says ‘Player versus Player’ or maybe it was the Conan Exiles advertisement ‘Build dominate etc…’
But that would make you a coward. And you are just avoiding the PvP that you joined the server for. Seriously though hiding can be a good option to avoid cheats or if you cannot be on everyday. But it does share a few similarities to offline raiders in that you are just avoiding PvP.
I am pretty sure that, that is not intentional coding and @Nemisis did mention winning at all costs without cheating.
Yes because while sitting on your high horse you are not objectively looking at the problem from someone else’s point of view. Like I say, If you actually play the game I am sure that you have broken a ToC at some stage. The only difference is you wasn’t caught.
Trying to discredit someones opinion shows that what you have to say is weak.
I have not tried to manipulate anything. Explain more…
Whats this? an Ewok trap? If I was to show a PM (that’s private message) then you would further discredit what I am saying by saying that I am not trustworthy by posting private content.
I also find if funny that someone who probably has little time in the game sits on their high horse morally judging others that might have been caught out while actually playing the game. Read back, as I explained there are many ways that players can be caught out from actually playing the game.
Reporting someone on Xbox PM would firstly go through Microsoft. Even if the PM was clear as day Microsoft wouldn’t necessarily see it as harassment. i.e. ‘HA HA we reported you and got you banned’ Anyway it would solve nothing and I like many others believe that this should be reserved for real harassment.
I have but a POI could be anything maybe even a pathway.
What? Do you actually read?
Quote 1 showed how a report could be manipulated, not a justification.
Quote 2 I never said that I did it or agreed with it. I implied that fixing it would be better than an endless stream of reports and bans.
Quote 4 Whats your problem here? you said that because you can build on a POI it doesn’t make it right, I just gave an extreame example of that same point.
The point is you reported it when you said that didn’t happen.
Not sure how you read that much into it and got a different ending. I said I prefer to attack in retaliation. If Bob had attacked myself or my friends (notice Bob has now lost his innocence) then dam right Bob’s getting whacked.
I’m not sure why I’m even doing this, but screw it…
I don’t know about @DeaconElie’s own reasons, but I know I made the exact same “really, dude?” face at those exact same points.
Quote 1 ignores the fact that servers have logs and admins have access to them.
You did, however, redefine the word “exploit” to mean something completely different from what it actually means:
No, it isn’t, “technically” or otherwise.
If you can’t make your point without dishonest manipulation of language, then you don’t have much of a point.
“It’s not okay to build anywhere on the server because we don’t own the server” is not “an extreme example”, it’s a literal non-sequitur.
How would they know the difference between ruins and spam?
No I didn’t.
No that is not redefining the word. Exploit means to make full use of something and using a pick is no different from any other exploit other than it was an intended game mechanic. anyway that part wasn’t really that important.
I was pointing out that just because you can do something that it does’t mean you can just like @DeaconElie had first stated that just because you can build in a POI doesn’t make it right. You could say that about anywhere on the server.
Same.
Leaving official servers is why I still play the game.