Will Fincom make a medieval version of a game like Conan Exiles?

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I used to bring that up on other threads, until someone pointed out that they’re perfectly aware of that and that they choose to give Bryan what he wants because they find it fun.

Personally, I try to stay away from Bryan’s threads these days, but sometimes I’ll reply with my own opinion, because why not?

We can pretend that it’s somehow “mean” or “toxic” to point out the immaturity of constantly asking the devs to change the whole game to cater to one person’s desire for a completely different game – or asking them to develop a whole new game tailored to that person’s specs – but that pretense can only hold water if we completely ignore how we got to this point. Anyone who has followed Bryan’s antics from the beginning knows that trying to reason with him about his requests has almost never produced anything productive.

Don’t take this reply as directed towards you, by the way. Your post merely gave me an opportunity to waste some of my time by belaboring stuff that people on this thread already know well, just like this thread was their opportunity to take potshots at people they don’t like :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

In the end, you described this place really well:

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I have been told in some threads, the forums arent for official servers. I do believe the forums are a place where people who have the same interest (Exiles) can share opinions with the group. I am all for exchanging opinions. But i am not for basically telling a poster to “shut up”. We can disagree on changes, but should not tell oeople not to post those ideas. That is where i feel the “bullying” is. Basically “Get off my forums” grumpy posts

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And before someone says these forums should only be about the gane, remember all the fun posts, like favorite music, being banned for “insert silly reason” (2 of those). Because a topic doesn’t interest one, doesnt mean all fellows aren’t interested in it.

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The forums are for the interest of Conan Exiles, and that does include the official servers :grin:. I am not sure who told you they are not for them, that’s just silly. I know I was discussing the issue with another user and I aruged that they were not ONLY for official servers and thus you cannot equate one with the other, because Conan Exiles exists in many forums. One of those forms is the official servers and thus discussion of them absolutely belongs on the forums. :grin:

In theory you have a point. However when you are referring to a known troll who’s sole intent is to troll the forums with the most ludicrous “changes” and without any actual intention of “discussion” then that is where it kind of falls flat, and fell flat many years ago with the specific user involved. So you have to add a little context to the situation and not use such an all encompassing concept when the past 5 years have proven for, this one specific user, there is no reasoning nor discussion to be had. I can understand why you would want to take a more altruistic approach, but again, context does apply.

That is valid, there are sub-sections where you are allowed to make such threads. Feedback is not one of those. But yes, just simply making a post about something other than Conan Exiles is not in and of itself a taboo thing.

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I would ask a fairly straightforward question tho. Why here and not in the secret world legends forum? Why here and not the Age of Conan forum? Why not post the same question over in the forum for The Forest?

I guess the other way to approach the OP is just,

no.

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I generally agree with that, as long as it’s all in good faith, or at least something that resembles good faith.

This is why I keep pointing to Bryan’s history. His participation on these forums has been almost exclusively in the form of “here’s my idea for a different game and if you disagree or criticize it, then you don’t understand it and shouldn’t post until you’ve understood it”. That’s a roundabout way of telling everyone who disagrees to shut up.

There have been a few exceptions, mostly in form of his old stories in the Creative Corner forum. I remember seeing one or two of his threads where he proposed something and was somewhat receptive to discussion, but even though I tried to dig them up for the purposes of this post, I couldn’t find them. I’m guessing I could dig them up if I spent enough time on it, but the fact that I have to engage in freaking forum archaeology to do so should be sufficient to get my point across.

The problem I have with Bryan is that he presents his fancies as if they were game design proposals, and then refuses to actually discuss them. If they were in Creative Corner, I would have no problems avoiding them, but this kind of “hey, let’s discuss my idea” bait-and-switch gets old.

I don’t think he’s trolling in the traditional sense of that word, but the end result is the same as falling for the “debate me, bro” crap that actual trolls like to pull. And he keeps doing that over and over. To quote a movie I like:

Maybe he doesn’t deserve to be called a troll, but maybe he should also try not to behave like one. Maybe then we would be less grumpy.

Yeah, but those are in good faith and good fun. I’m being completely serious here. Do you honestly think there’s anything fun about someone who presents their idea as a suggestion and then discusses it like this:
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And if you think I’m exaggerating, why don’t you go look at his threads? You’ll notice that there are no grumpy “get off mah forums” reactions when he doesn’t do the whole “here’s an idea that you can’t discuss” thing. If we were all such bullies, would we not jump on those to torment him?

Even better, look at some of his recent proposals. Notice how a few of them have only his own posts and then got auto-closed after a while, because nobody wanted to engage with his ideas? Almost everyone here knows what to expect and people are just tired of it.

Like @Oduda said, context matters, and there’s a ton of context here. Enough to wear down everyone’s patience. Try as you might to ignore it, it still ends up exerting itself.

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This one will bite.

On a personal level, hope not.
The reasons:
Split player base possibly leading to more agile sunsetting of Conan Exiles.
While there is some overlap between Dune and Conan, the amount of overlap between Conan and a non-magic Medieval survival would be considerably greater.
Furthermore it would split the dev team even more.

Now, on to the nature of such a game…
Dune isn’t a Sci-Fantasy Game, it’s a specific setting and set of assumptions.
Likewise Conan isn’t a generic Sword and Sorcery survival game, it’s a specific setting with specific conceits.
A generic medieval survival game is… bland, and already done a couple times. The mountain of misinformation many labour under about the Medieval period is already annoying enough. But making one to cover the whole blanket period and all the distinct cultures within is going to either be a confused and anachronistic mess, or so much of the detail will be filed off to be boring.
Instead, a game set during the Reconquista, or the War of The Roses, or perhaps the Dane Law in England, or even Camelot as heavily fictionalized by Mallory would have so much more bite. However, anytime we wander into historical accuracy, we are going to iron someone with something we missed. Hence fictional settings are often better.

In short, no, but thank you.

It certainly may be a good mod to request.

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Because this is a forum of common interest for Conan. Posting a topic is gauging if any other Exile player has that interest. You can disagree, not engage in those post, state your opinion without insulting. But to imediately go full on “this dont belong on forums” or in an around way say the poster is stulid for having an opinion different than ones own is more toxic than a troll who shotguns ideas all over the forum as bate to start arguments.

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This is a very good counter to why not yackle ablnother game. Mod wise it would be great, but DLC is not modable. I know because i thought of doing a scaled back pvp game, but run into issues when i want to modify armors and weapons mainly. The recipes cant be adjusted on DLC ro my knowledge. So the server would have to ban dlc content, which would be a no go for alot of players.

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Yes it is… and the OP has tossed Conan from the get go. That’s why it really doesnt belong anymore than Dune. I’m not an avid fan of total topic curation, and if he threw it in creative corner, yeah okay whatever, but this is not Conan Exiles feedback of any sort. I’m sure people will have ample time for forum pvp in a relevant thread to CE within 24 hrs, but this thread is the height of “off topic”.

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I disagree. It is general discussion. Feedback on utilizing parts of Conan to make a medevil game. How can the OP be off topic if it started the topic?

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Because the topic of the forum is CE. Not games that aren’t CE that use the same mechanics. We are in Conan Exiles → General Discussion → Feedback.

Look, I understand why there is a leap to the defense. I get it. It’s just misplaced in this case. The thread should just be closed.

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Then every thread not connected to Conan should. Even the fun ones. Whichbis my point, that the forim is for liked minded gamers, Conan gamers. And sometimes we want to see if we have other similiar interedsts. Its how you grow socially.

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Okay then lets talk politics. crickets and discomfort…

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Actually, that is against exolicit forum rules. It says directly no political talk. So nice ymtry. And off topic of this thread. Move along now.

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You all are funny, lol.
I actually always enjoyed Bryans posts, not because of the validity of his wants, but because they are so outlandish mostly.
He also knows how to push the hardcore CE peoples buttons to elicit a response.

The weird thing is, I have been playing GV ( a medieval game ) a lot lately, and it is pretty good. I keep comparing it to CE, and wondering what it would be like if the best of both were combined.

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To immediately go full on “this doesn’t belong on these forums” is stating my opinion without insulting.

Okay, I’ll bite: show me where someone implied Bryan was stupid, even in a roundabout way.

Have people here:

  • Accused him of trolling? Yes.
  • Claimed that he often behaves in immature ways? Yes.
  • Expressed frustration about past discussions with him? Yes.
  • Disagreed with his ideas? Yes.

But if you’re going to accuse anyone here of calling Bryan stupid, you’re going to have to substantiate that.

So let me get this straight: you’re calling Bryan a troll and saying he shotguns ideas as bait, but that is somehow not as toxic as saying that this behavior doesn’t belong on these forums?

In other words, you’re saying that calling out someone’s trolling is less toxic than the trolling itself?

Excuse me if I start questioning your own good faith in this argument. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt so far, but at this point I’m convinced you’re defending Bryan because you have an axe to grind.

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If I would follow that logic then no gaming company ever should do another game “sequel” because its splitting their player base. It also would mean that Conan Exiles could have never been released, because there was another version before it. We would have never seen the GTA series, no Ghost Recon Adventures, no CS:GO, no Hitman, no Assasins Creed, Farcry etc. Just to name a few.

We can agree on that Conan Exiles has sold good in the past. So making another “version” of the game is propably very profitable. I even go so far that people want to get a new version of the game they love. Because there comes the time where the old version gets stale and becomes old and hits the fence technical wise.

Conan Exiles has not sold only because of the Conan theme. It has sold because it could score points in having nuditiy, in fighting each other (pvp), by providing a solid building, harvesting and crafting system, by beeing able to collect and breed thralls and animals. There is a lot that this game offers that draw in the attention of people.

Wouldn´t that game be riddled with bugs, glitches and exploits it could have a lot more people playing but this is another story, I do not want to go further in it.

The wish to have another Conan Exiles style of game is there but that doesn´t nec. mean that is needs to be Conan themed. Because I would say boldly say that people are generally more interested in a medieval theme then a Conan theme. I for sure know I didn´t got the game for the Conan theme, I got it for the survival and pvp aspect. I have seen some old movies but was never really interested in the Conan lore and I know I am not the only one thinking like that. If you would ask people they most likely didn´t come for the Conan lore either.

Building wise the game offers everything you can imagine for building great castles. And like I said before when I should guess then I would say that the nemedian dlc is one of the most bought ones. Because since it got released the internet is full of Conan medieval building videos and pictures. And I can say for sure that nemedian building pieces would sell in their store like icecream in summer.

No matter if you like “Bryans” posts or not. He has a point when he says he wants a medieval version of Conan. Because most people would want the same otherwhise they would not build medieval houses and castles in Conan all the time.

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This is perfectly reasonable.
But to note about sequels, they are not there to split the player base, they are there to provide the player base en masse with a new product, a complete migration. When they come too fast they cause issues. Is anyone else old enough to remember the backlash against the rapid releases of new Street Fighter II s?

The Nemedian set is excellent. Not just because it looks like ren faire time, but also because it has all the major build pieces as well as a couple new ones. It is best value for money based on content. Because of the wide variety of pieces, it supports more builds than other styles do. The same was true for Arena when it first dropped.
We can go back and forth over whether it was vaulted roof pieces, generalization of appearance (Arena looks like it fits in far more biomes than, say, Argossean), or specifically looking like an alpine reinactment village that drove sales.
However, as has been noted, there are already Medieval survival games. Funcom would be wading into an already competitive market. That’s not exactly wise at this moment, especially with Dune yet unreleased. Games need something to draw if they are entering an already established market. What is the draw to market a general Medieval game? If it doesn’t have a catch or a gimmick, it will need supreme excellence of execution to stand out.
Funcom has some grand ideas and bold efforts, favouring ambition over significant time at the polishing station.

But who would rather play a generic medieval sim over Conan Exiles? Certainly a few people. Enough to justify a full production run?
This one doubts a generic medieval sim will draw the numbers that even a Conan sequel would. Those who are here for Hyboria won’t bite. Those who want Medieval generica may already have something else tickling that itch and not want to shell out again. The (likely singular) person who has spent more time reading letters from the Middle Ages than modern ones is likely to either laugh long and loud at historical liberties that are always taken or wretch in disgust at them, depending upon available libations.

But to sum up, again, not a bad idea persay, just not one this one supports.

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There is not one out there that is worth playing. And that is my point. They are either too old, too focused at combat and fighting, have a too linear or predetermed questssystem (too less freedom and space to do what you wanna do) and no or just a poor building, harvesting and crafting system.

I get that the fans of the hyborian age are not fond of such ideas. But my post is valid nonetheless. And nobody says you can not mix certain ages or better say styles in a game together. It just has to be made very well and the story needs to fit. At the end of the day it all boils down to if a game can manage to get people playing and provide a positiv gaming experience or not. Most people don´t care for a specific theme. Its more important that a game provides what they are looking for. Fighting, building, exploring jada jada… You will find people that will only build viking style houses in Conan, others argosean and others just build medieval style. Some do not build at all because they are not interested in it. And still they are able to play the game. And this is what makes Conan a great game. Its not linear. You can choose a race and the style that fits you and you can match your buildings, your thralls etc to that style. It provides you with alternative gameplay. Replayablility and freedom keeps people playing.

Thats why people should not directly invalidate other peoples sugestions but look where interests overlap and go from there.

I am personally a lover of the old classic zombie survival games and some month ago I purchased Project zomboid. I say that I came for the zombies theme but I stayed because it gave me enough other things that made it interesting to play.

I don´t know how I can describe it better then that. A certain theme is good but it can get old and stale very fast if the theme is the only thing a game provides.