Yamatai?!? Where did that come from?

I’ve read every one of Robert E. Howard’s Conan stories and unless I’m having a lapse in memory, there’s no Yamatai mentioned and it’s definitely not on R.E.H.'s Hyborian Age map.
I think Funcom is confusing the game with Tomb Raider. What’s next, Narnia? Middle Earth? Or maybe just stay true to the Conan lore, hmmm… Of course I’ve not read every single comic or book put out by other authors, but I’m a purist when it comes to Conan. Howard’s material matters the most to me. Let’s not get too ridiculous. You guys have plenty of source material as it stands.
I certainly won’t be buying any of the DLC at the price it’s marked at anyway. To be fair, it should be half that price. But it’s the thought that counts when it comes to the lore.
Great job on the archery. I must say, I like the mechanics waaay better than anything Funcom’s shown us so far. Just fix that slow motion moon jump and get the lag back under control and we’ll call it a decent update. I don’t care about the katana…that’d be a feminine weapon to Conan. :wink:

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so what? Neither Exiles Lands is a thing that ever appeared on Hq’s /novels, I had this behavior when I first saw about the explosive arrows, in the end its not a big deal, this Yamatai DLC artwork is stupendously beautiful, just look at those armors/weapons, how about we chilling and having some fun in the game instead of pointing fingers on details that won’t affect the gameplay?

A thing or two that is out of place from the lore? Yeah, ok, im still having a blast. Funcom is doing great, thank you FC!

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It’s in Savage Sword of Conan. The comic books. I don’t remember the issue number hand, but he fights a witch queen, again if memory serves.

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Exiled lands you mean? Hummmm, I remember back in the beggining of ea someone saying Fc created Exiled Lands so it wouldnt have any geographic bonds with the biomes, even so, Yamatai doesnt annoy me.

No sorry, I was referring back to the OP; Yamatai.

I hate to break it to you all, but the ‘Riddle of Steel’ isn’t referenced in any publication either outside the 1984 movie. Yet it is referenced a few times in this game.

Funcom has taken bits and pieces from various works and made their own melting pot. This was true in Age of Conan too. You guys are about a decade behind in any complaint or protest about it.

You have REH continuity, post-REH continuity, Marvel continuity, and Funcom continuity.

You see this in Conan Unconquered when Conan is leading Aquilonian Legions with an Avatar of Mitra as support. Show me in which publication THAT happens.

The original story was merely bits and pieces of Conan’s life and world, rather than a full picture. There are definitely things that would have existed in REH’s world that he never got around to writing about. Yamatai would have been one of them — I think REH would have been interested in depicting Japanese culture in his world’s lore had he had the chance.

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Never did say it was a big deal or it wasn’t fun. I did say I’m a purist when it comes to Conan and because of that, I find it a bit silly to add things that don’t make sense in Conan lore and were used in other games…that’s all. My opinion. Yamatai was best known in Tomb Raider 2013…in other words, it’s not a fresh idea. The Exiled Lands is and that’s fine. There’s plenty of source material that is part of the lore. Why bring crap in from other games?

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Was she the witch queen from Yamatai?

Look…you guys are making a poor argument and I’m partly at fault. I should have mentioned that one of the main reasons Yamatai doesn’t belong in Conan lore aside from it being a used idea in another game is that the timeline is all wrong. Conan’s age was “before the oceans drank Atlantis”. That’s prehistoric. Records of Yamatai and this witch queen were present in modern history around 230 A.D., give or take a few years.
So, as anyone can see, the time frames are waaay off. It doesn’t belong and is part of Tomb Raider lore making it a used idea. Adding to the gaps in Conan lore is really fine with me as long as it makes sense…this doesn’t.
And it doesn’t matter one iota if it was written in a comic book or a novel by some other author. That doesn’t mean it makes sense to the subject at hand and without the proper references and research, it’s just lazy writing. Which is why you’ll rarely if ever see a comic or game writer putting out best selling novels.
The only exception is cross-overs. I personally don’t like them at all unless they’ve been extremely well written and on point. In other words, Conan travels in time to 230-something A.D. or Himiko time travels to Conan’s Hyborian Age.
It’s really no big deal that they’ve added this Yamatai garbage to the game and it doesn’t distract from the game…it just doesn’t belong there as I’ve pointed out. And maybe if other people pointed out things of this nature, it would show our friendly neighborhood game developers that they have a discerning audience that uses their brains and, perhaps, they’d be a little more accurate in their writing and adding content which, in turn, would make for a better all around experience.
One last thing…I don’t count the Arnold movies as part of Conan lore. They just took a bunch of Howard’s characters and threw them in a blender set to puree with a half gallon of diarrhea and out popped those flicks. They were terrible. The most extreme example is Thulsa Doom. He was a character in Howard’s Kull books and, thus, didn’t belong. Then there was the young Conan hiding behind mommy when the village was being attacked and being taken into slavery to grow his big muscles on the wheel of pain…poppycock!!!
'Nuff said. :slight_smile:

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Game isn’t and has never ever been advertsied as a game whose lore is only based on the books. Age of Conan was the same way. Don’t like it, then don’t buy the DLC. The comic books were written in the 1970s and are extremely popular, unless you are a so called “purist.” Which means you don’t like anything outside the original books, which means you shouldn’t be even supporting this game at all since it doesn’t take place in the books.

Also, the term Yamatai doesn’t originate with freaken Tomb Raider that you keep obsessing about.

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The Hyborian age is NOT “before the oceans drank atlantis”. That was the Thurian age in which Kull (who was from Atlantis) was the main character. Then a great cataclys destroyed the 7 great nations, sunk Atlantis, Lemuria and Mu as well as destroying the original islands of the pictish homeland. The Cimmerians are direct decendents of the people of Atlantis so clearly the Hyborian age was after.

Now you are correct as this is a pre-historic age as there was another lesser cataclysm which along with the Pictish hords, Hyrkanian hords and the Vanir and Aesir pushing the Cimmerians out of their homeland cause the distruction of the Hyborian age. Nothing much survived as the world was full of chaos and bloodshed where the “savage” peoples destroyed the civilizations thus wiping out history as we know it.

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Hey Dave you do know that Yamatai was an actual place in late Yayoi period Japan and not created whole cloth for Tomb Raider’s lore, right?

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It may not have been advertised as such, but one would logically assume it would more closely follow Howard since the game bears the name and they may have had to get rights to make the game from the owner(s) of Conan Properties. And since I’ve actually had personal contact with Conan Properties LLC in the past to discuss the writing of Conan based stories, I know they don’t like it when you do things to hurt the franchise…not saying anything about the game does that, but it all depends on how the agreement is written. Funcom likely has license to add whatever they want. Anyway…
As I’ve said, I don’t like the price of the DLC and won’t buy it unless it goes on sale. I never said I wouldn’t buy it based on the content. I just don’t think any of it is worth ten bucks.
There were many Conan comics written after the '70’s.
I know about Yamatai…as I’ve said in a previous post.
You might want to read my posts a bit more carefully. I hope this clears it up for you.

Oops. Yessir, it’s between not before. My bad. But yes…either way it is prehistoric. Thanks for pointing that out. I wrote that before I finished my first cup of coffee. :smiley:

Ummm…yes, I knew that. I mentioned it in a previous post. (Scroll up and read my posts again) Like I said, it was around circa 230 +/- a few years when Himiko (a.k.a. witch queen) was mentioned. I don’t remember the exact years and don’t feel the need to look it up for this discussion. I’m only assuming they got the idea from Tomb Raider since it was a more popular game. If they’d have taken the idea from the actual time line, they might not have used it in the game…that’s my point.

Yamatai still doesnt originate or is best known from 2013 Tomb Raider. The fact you think it’s an “used idea” because an entirely different video game uses or references an ancient culture and therefore this game cannot use it either, is laughable. So should Conan not use any artwork as reference what so ever because its used as a setting in other games to? Or just the ones you don’t like?

I disagree with your entire argument that the game should only contain original book based lore and timeline, and luckily so do most of the fans. The developers should absolutely use all available resources from well known and beloved parts of the Conan universe.

I know they don’t like it when you do things to hurt the franchise

Funcom has to get the okay from Conan Properties LLC to do things like the Yamatai DLC. So you can claim all that you want that Funcom is hurting the IP when they publish something like this, but they got the thumbs up. Probably because it’s part of the Conan Universe, just not the parts you personally don’t think should count.

Then, per your suggestion, I read your posts extra carefully. I see that you refer to the Yamatai as “garbage” and that the culture “doesn’t belong,” and that you consider a certain weapon as “feminine” inspired from said culture. Right, okay then…

Yeah I’ll be honest here, I find your arguments so patently ridiculous that I’ve only been skimming this thread.

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“Yamatai still doesnt originate or is best known from 2013 Tomb Raider. The fact you think it’s an “used idea” because an entirely different video game uses or references an ancient culture and therefore this game cannot use it either, is laughable. So should Conan not use any artwork as reference what so ever because its used as a setting in other games to? Or just the ones you don’t like?”

I never said Yamatai originated from the Tomb Raider game. I said the main reason it shouldn’t have been used is because it doesn’t fit the timeline…it is part of modern history. Conan - prehistoric times. Yamatai - second century. Funcom can use whatever art work they like as reference so long as they don’t copy it. That would be infringement of copyright law I would think.

“I disagree with your entire argument that the game should only contain original book based lore and timeline, and luckily so do most of the fans. The developers should absolutely use all available resources from well known and beloved parts of the Conan universe.”

I’m happy that you disagree with that because that’s not what I said.

“Funcom has to get the okay from Conan Properties LLC to do things like the Yamatai DLC. So you can claim all that you want that Funcom is hurting the IP when they publish something like this, but they got the thumbs up. Probably because it’s part of the Conan Universe, just not the parts you personally don’t think should count.”

I never claimed that Funcom was hurting anything. In fact, I said quite the opposite.

“Then, per your suggestion, I read your posts extra carefully. I see that you refer to the Yamatai as “garbage” and that the culture “doesn’t belong,” and that you consider a certain weapon as “feminine” inspired from said culture. Right, okay then…”

I referred to the Yamatai game content as garbage…not Yamatai itself. I never said the culture doesn’t belong, I said the Yamatai content doesn’t belong because it doesn’t fit the timeline. Nor did I say that I consider any weapon as feminine. I said that Conan would consider katanas feminine.

I’ll give you this Multigun, you’re either at expert level with twisting people’s words or you didn’t read my posts as carefully as you claim that you did. I’m guessing the latter of the two. :smiley:

I doubt it. Conan fights with whatever is to hand. A greatsword of astounding quality, the leg of a tavern table or your arm (that he just tore off).

I’m no fan of Katanas as they are depicted in popular culture (usually WAY overrated and almost magical even in otherwise non-magical works) but I’m pretty sure Conan has no compunctions decapitating his enemies with one.

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