Bounties are Unbalanced

[MarcosC]

@Palm523

no they make it easier, nothing more.,

BS. It was no overall impact.

[MarcosC]

@Palm523

please tell me , where exactly is the “survival” part of this game? this game has become a simcity version with boobs and dicks, (if you allow your settings to show full nudity)

This game is easy if you know how to play. That’s the nature of the beast. Want hard games, try fromsoftware tittles. Or go kill a Rockslide alone.
Or capture thralls in a lvl 4 surge alone. These pose some difficulty. Other than that, it’s easy. But that’s how it is supposed to be. A casual fun game.

[MarcosC]

That’s what YOU think, @Palm523 . Not everyone shares your desire.
But seriously. Want hard? Solo the Wine Cellar, solo any lvl 4 surge, solo the Volary of harpies. Solo ALL content as I did more than once. You’ll have some hard fights. Solo means no thrall, no help, btw.

[erjoh]

I agree with @Palm523 in that they need to do something to slow people down enough to “smell the roses” as it were with this game. The game has so much for it but because most vets just zoom past it to get to the meaty parts of the game so that they can complain about how crappy FC is for not thinking of XYZ in end game materials…something to just relive the original joy you had when you first got to noob river and made your very first house. At least something to trigger the memories.

[MarcosC]

@Palm523

is it easier to get black blood tools ? yes or no?
did they made it easier for people to get t4 thralls? yes or no?
did they made it easier for people to get legendary weapons? yes or no?

Yes. And none of that impacts the overall difficulty of the game.
The t4s fighters are easy to get (fixed spawns), the t4 crafters are not game changing (not the best by far) and the bb tools aren’t game breaking at all. They were easy to get, just more rng dependent.

[MarcosC]

No, I don’t, @Palm523 . Everything I said is true. Getting a zerker is easier than getting all the sorcerors you need to buy a worse t4 fighter. Same for the crafters.
The bb tools were easy to get, you camped there, killing that boss until you got them all in ONE place, while now you need to discover where to buy them and run through the map.
It’s just different, not easier.

[MarcosC]

Not, it actually isn’t easier. It won’t be easier because you say so many times, @Palm523 . It’s a different route, that’s all.
And it’s not as if you can’t do it the old way. You can.

[MarcosC]

I kill that black bird very easily.
And you won’t be lvl 10 when you buy the tools. Don’t be silly, @Palm523 .

[erjoh]

Isn’t this the only way you can get blackblood tools in Siptah? I mean sure eldarium tools are just as valid but the durability of the BB tools are vastly superior.

[CodeMage]

@rolee9309

REALLY? That’s new, I have to admit!

Merry Christmas!

@rolee9309

FoP is good if you just like to unlock everything.

Yep! It’s also good because it helps you avoid the risk of buggy knowledge respec potions.

@rolee9309

Leveling should be not that long (I played a very few MMOs, keep in mind), but longer, because it is a cakewalk even at first. Even for me, who never played such a game.

I mean, all I can say to that is: good for you! It wasn’t a cakewalk for me, back when I first started playing the game.

I honestly believe it’s fine, whether it’s a cakewalk or not, because I see it as a stepping stone, a tool for the new players to learn the ropes. It’s okay if it isn’t really hard.

Those of us who have played this game for a long time tend to forget what it was like when we were just starting. More importantly, a lot of veterans tend to assume that everyone starts online, with a bunch of people to help them learn.

In single-player, you don’t have other people to hold your hand and make the leveling progression a cakewalk. But even if you start in single-player and find the leveling progression easy, there’s so much more to do afterwards. Just take it as a tutorial and relax

@DeaconElie

The imbalance is basically now world bosses are moot. I didn’t say it was a player imbalance but a game imbalance.

The vast majority of the world bosses were already moot. Or, to be precise, as “moot” as they are now, because they’re not actually “moot”, they’re niche. They stopped being the Biggest Baddest Challenge a long time ago, but they still have their uses.

Quick: when you want some skeleton keys, do you go kill a Rockslide? If you do, I’m glad you’re having fun, but you’re already choosing to do things the hard way, so you can just ignore this “imbalance” and keep doing things the hard way.

Besides that, the selection of legendary items you can purchase from Khitan Slaver camps is extremely limited compared to everything you can get with skeleton keys. So they don’t make the world bosses moot in that way, either.

Also, trading ancient oboli in the Khitan Slaver camps won’t give any XP to your pets and thralls when you’re leveling them.

Again, world bosses have their uses. But I’m willing to bet that’s not why you’re complaining about this. See, like I said above, the vast majority of people don’t go around looking for different world bosses to kill each time, and I’m willing to bet that you’re no exception to that. So you’re most likely not sad that the world boss X or Y doesn’t get enough love, you’re merely saying that if you had to suffer the RNG grind, everyone else should too

@DeaconElie

Many experienced played didn’t know they took the restriction off chests.

Which should tell you something. Perhaps it should tell you how fast those experienced players level, so this whole “LeVeL 10 cAn BuY sTuFf i HaD tO wOrK fOr” is moot. Or perhaps it should tell you that most experienced players don’t bother as much with the chests because there’s better gear than the stuff in them.

Or perhaps it should tell you you’re not as experienced as you thought? Whatever the case, here’s the point:

@DeaconElie

Your failing is thinking everyone knows what you know, or can play as well as you can.

Those who can play as well as that, deserve the rewards they get from that.

I actually do go and kill the giant spider way before reaching level 60. Not level 10, let’s dispense with that ridiculous notion. But I do it long before level 60, because it helps me level up faster, because it gives me tons of demon blood, ichor, and gossamer, and because it’s an easy way to get skeleton keys, which will give me all sorts of goodies that are useful before level 60 and for my fledgling thralls.

I’m not planning to stop doing that because of the Khitan Slaver camps. The only ones complaining here are, ironically, those who don’t appreciate the world bosses enough. Them, and perhaps people who like gambling way too much.

@Palm523

is this your interpretation or has funcom said it officially?

Why don’t you go dig through all the stream recaps for a change, instead of asking others to do so for you? They’ve talked about leveling progression, so it should be there if you really care about the official word so much.

As far as I’m concerned, I don’t need the verbal confirmation, because actions speak louder than words. I’ve been saying that the leveling system is just a teaching tool for literally years now, and every step Funcom has taken has just proven me more and more right.

@Palm523

will be unbalanced to have access to the spawn item admin panel? why not?

Yeah, nice try. If you think I’m going to spend my free time engaging with your strawman arguments, think again.

@MarcosC

I can kill a giant croc or a reaper hive queen too. With stone daggers, at lvl 0.

The giant croc is actually harder than the reaper queen, because of that stupid hitbox problem.

Not that I’m saying I couldn’t do it the way you said, I’m saying I wouldn’t bother until I had proper armor and healing, because lag is a bіtch

But yeah, giant spider and giant croc are my go-to bosses, because the XP is good (both for power-leveling and for thralls) and the resources are even better.

@Palm523

so cheesing a boss due to a poor implementation of game mechanic with the daggers, is the definition of fun for you? if you can kill a world boss with stone daggers, then that part of the game is broken

Cheesing? Do you even know what that word means? Just in case you forgot, “cheesing” would be to do something the AI can’t deal with or finding some shortcut the developers didn’t think of. Learning the attack patterns and how to avoid taking damage is skill, not cheesing.

Is it an awful lot of skill? No. Does that make it “cheesing”? Hell no.

@erjoh

The game has so much for it but because most vets just zoom past it to get to the meaty parts of the game so that they can complain about how crappy FC is for not thinking of XYZ in end game materials…

Sorry, but that’s the people problem, not game design problem. The veterans who complain about that will complain about something else tomorrow, because they want the game to cater to their ideals.

The rest of us zoom through the parts we want to zoom through, and enjoy those we want to enjoy. And we occasionally go back and enjoy parts we used to zoom through. We do all that because we know it’s silly to want to force everyone else to play the way we want.

@Palm523

is it easier to get black blood tools from killing t1 sorcerers ? or to go kill the black bird ?

It’s easier to get it from sorcerers. So maybe they should increase the cost of black blood tools, or give players a more compelling reason to kill Feasts-on-Flesh, other than the black blood and the skeleton key you can harvest off its corpse.

I would prefer the latter, because most people aren’t like me and just say “eh, star metal is good enough” and don’t go fighting Feasts-on-Flesh anyway.

[MarcosC]

And I would get them as easily killing feasts on flesh in the same lvl range. The difference is I would probably get them faster.

[MarcosC]

@CodeMage

The giant croc is actually harder than the reaper queen, because of that stupid hitbox problem.

Yes, but perfectly doable. It doesn’t one shot you, so its dead.
I actually kill the spider around lvl 10. It’s the first thing I do when I start a playthrough. But I’m almost 10 when I leave tlhe desert just by completing journey steps.

The thing is that these new activities don’t affect the game overall difficulty.
They are amusing, that’s all. And all that lessens rng is a step in the right direction, IMO.

[DeaconElie]

@erjoh

The path to End Game stuff is stupidly easy and that was the point of the Dev team to ensure veterans can just zoom past all the fluff stuff that captured our imaginations in the beginning…but are just old hat now.

You have no clue why they did it.

@erjoh

do these legendaries that they offer in the season events that can’t be done with grinding up to star metal levels anyways?

You didn’t get the point. Buying legendarys at 10thL makes grind up to star metal moot.

@CodeMage

So you’re most likely not sad that the world boss X or Y doesn’t get enough love, you’re merely saying that if you had to suffer the RNG grind, everyone else should too

No I pretty well made my point clear enough; or so I thought

@DeaconElie

What they need to do; as I said during test, is put a 0 behind that price for a legendary. My issue isn’t low levels buying legendarily, it’s how damned easy it is.

@MarcosC

Or maybe your rant is just silly.

Why do you not get just because you can do something doesn’t every one can or would even try? I’m sorry we can’t all measure up to your yard stick.

@CodeMage

Perhaps it should tell you how fast those experienced players level, so this whole “LeVeL 10 cAn BuY sTuFf i HaD tO wOrK fOr” is moot

My lord. This is why I question if you read what I write

@DeaconElie

It’s level 10th L for no other reason then that is when you unlock the truncheon, period. Dearly love how you over think things

Now I’m done. This has went the usually way, pushed by the usual suspects, the read one thing then paraphrase it in their heads to mean what they want.

[MarcosC]

@DeaconElie

Why do you not get just because you can do something doesn’t every one can or would even try? I’m sorry we can’t all measure up to your yard stick.

That’s not it. I’m very much in favor of having OPTIONS. If a player wants to go step by step, enjoying the ride, only killing whatever he wants, whenever he wants because that’s how he likes it, fine by me. If that’s his fun, perfect. You won’t hear me utter a word against his playstyle.
It’s his CHOICE.
If he wants to get legendaries or bb tools by killing wb the moment he leaves the desert, it’s his choice.
If he wants to take down sorcerors and avoid a lot of rng to get a few starter thralls, bb tools and what not, it’s his choice and I’m ok with it too. It’s ANOTHER CHOICE. Nobody is forced to do it.
That pleases me. More ways to play the game is a good thing, especially when they mean different approaches to the game. I end up doing a little of everything.

Saying that these activities make the game easier is what I don’t accept because a) overall they don’t; b) they aren’t mandatory.

[Archivist]

Those bosses ar SO predictable. Thumbs up for your patience in this matter.

[MarcosC]

It’s your choice. Make a expertise build and don’t use fighter thralls, @Palm523 . Build in the volcano or frozen north. You will see how challenges will come. Try collecting corrupted wolves heads! No thrall, exp build. Visit the Devil’s Squat often at night.

[Croms_Faithful]

@JJDancer

As have I.
Not sure why people are so concerned about it being “too easy”. Is it because lower levels do not have to walk up hill both ways in the snow like they did?
That is such a Karen thing.

Agree, it is such a petty complaint for something people have no actual requirement to perform. There seems to be a mindset among a subset of the community that if a newer player stands a fighting chance against or successfully defeats a level 60 it is an injustice. I hate to break it to them, but it is not.

[Kikigirl]

I disagree. This is a great alternative to mass grind RNG.

Also, BB tools are not the same anymore… They were once king of farming but are really not much different than starmetal. Plus you don’t need legendary repair kits for starmetal, they don’t become garbage if they break, the change to farming and gather rates on officials make BB afaic, useless.

This game is very complex for a new player. People can still play it without the knowledge of streamlined gameplay but it can often be harder for those individuals to complete tasks. That’s ok too.

As a seasoned player, I look for the fastest and easiest way possible to achieve my goals. I’m also a PVPer so that plays a role. I keep informed and make note of any tips or tricks.

That does not invalidate the playstyles or playthroughs of others. Nor should it define it.

Information is power and isn’t exclusive. Even some seasoned players take the hard way, taking 10 steps instead of 1. The more you know, even if you do not choose to use that information only helps your development as a player.

For instance, I know exactly where to run to avoid all hazards to get to the volcano. What to make on the fly to survive and I’ve barely made level 10. That’s a choice based on experience and not something anyone is forced to do.

I think it is great that there is, admittedly, a low cost option to get supplied fast. It comes with a small pool of choice items. This is great, it doesn’t mean that people can get everything off the hop, just a small taste. But not everyone would even know about it either lol

I agree as well that the world bosses still have their uses and appeal. They did take a backseat but are not completely forgotten. Legendaries though? Oof. Poor things are meh for the most part except for a very few items. For me. It is different for others. Like Dragonscale helm… Pliz dun nerfffff.

[rolee9309]

Would it make more money just by polishing/fixing the elements already iin the game? Absolutely NOT.
It’s sad, that a product with more features, even if they are controversial in some ways (bad, expensive, bricks other elements, bricked itself, etc.) worth more than a polished, top of the top quality product. Sadly, but it is what it is. Probably that’s why I am more and more frustrated when new stuff come to this game, because a lot of times quality of the price of quantity.

[MarcosC]

@Kikigirl

For instance, I know exactly where to run to avoid all hazards to get to the volcano. What to make on the fly to survive and I’ve barely made level 10. That’s a choice based on experience and not something anyone is forced to do.

Ice. That’s the ONLY thing you need to go to and inside the volcano. No weapons, no armor, nothing. Just ice, that you can also get with nothing but a tool, on the way there. You don’t need to fight a single enemy.
This to say that for an experienced player, there are always ways. It’s not because one gets a few thralls or the bb tools via this new activity that the game becomes easy. All it takes is experience.
Pvp is a bit different. Its difficulty is not defined by what everyone can get, so I don’t see these new activities making it easier or harder to anyone.