DLC items - Terrible Update

Uhh huh…

This one never mastered the heart of wit.
So in absence of brevity, this one hopes their long winded antics amuse at least one other person.

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Goodness. You certainly have an opinion.

I do as well.

I will never understand those who wish to argue opinion.

Same.

I spend my money for perceived value.

I don’t find value in some things others do.

And that is okay.

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Life must be difficult when one can never understand themselves.

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???

What is with this many comments? It is obvious.
but it is not obvious, I bought it, I should give it to whoever I want!” Uhmm, no.
NO ONE would buy paid items if they can get them for free.

You did not buy the DLC? Of course you shouldn’t be able to use it.
Probably you can have it to see the stats, etc., but using it??
It is not the maltese charity. Why not use the game if you did not even buy it? Should I start ranting because I did not purchase IoS to this day and I want to play it?

Seriously people, you have too much free time.

This sort of restrictions should be on store page. DLC’s bought in the past should not be changed. I agree development needs resources like time and money, but that should be considered when the DLC is out. Changing the way DLC sells now, when shop is out is nothing more than greed. I’m finished with this software abomination long time ago. These kind of business practices should be punished not rewarded by buying them. They lied so many times that I can not trust them any further so it is not worth money. I mean cmon, sorcery brings you the whole new designed shop, lots of new icons, lots of useless animations, wallpaints? Do you really think this kinda stuff takes weeks to develop. Then you must be out of your mind. From my perspective all updates, all that “candy” is focused on bazaar and season pass while whole game is lacking of content in general. They should left this game as it was and move with new product. Then they should consider about web-shop etc.

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I love it and am stealing it

So it sounds like you would rather get bogged down in semantics and word torture than have a direct and open discussion. So could you please enlighten us and tell us the darthphtsicist correct and approved way of raising a discussion pertaining to ‘these prices are a little high at the moment, please consider revising them

Such discussions are intended to impact future decisions, that is the whole purpose of providing feedback. And based on the prices of the Sandstone Super Set, it may very well be that they have done just that.

It was certainly well received enough to inspire no few members into purchasing it, in many cases people who either had not yet purchased anything off the Bazaar or had only opened their wallet the once. Guess those who voiced concerns weren’t all cheap peasants who just wanted free after all stuff hey.

Haggling for a better price is viable and commonplace everywhere from corporate board rooms, to local produce markets, to buying a used car, to buying a home, to arranging a pre-nuptual agreement, or drawing up a recording contract, to name remarkably few. Here this highly educational video shall explain it all:

So could someone please explain to me why people should be ridiculed and made to feel like unworthy dirtbags for doing so here, especially when Funcom has already said that prices are not final, and there will be subject to fine tuning and adjustment?

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Now we both know that it clearly doesnt bother me a bit to be blunt. I am happy as a clam to engage a subject as it is presented to me; calmly or aggressively, I’m open to terms. I’ve said before, I can understand someone saying “The prices are too high for me at the moment.” One of the problems I have is with the question. FC is not at liberty to come here and answer these questions and tbh, the arrogance that people display when asking/demanding them irks me.

Was wondering when someone would mention this. I have said all along to anyone listening that there is a pricing strategy that depends on the calendar, and over time, people should expect the price to come down as sales slow at the higher price points, and if they weren’t as high at release in the future, it would be because of internal sales figures. I can assure you in every market, be it games, eggs, cars whatever, there are always customers who think the price is too high and complain about it.

The ‘question’ is not an actual question I want a direct answer to. I appear to have worded that part rather clumsily. So I have decided to take the liberty of rewording it to more accurately reflect what I was attempting to convey. It was not intended as a direct question to Funcom. But rather something for them to ponder behind the scenes based on player feedback. I do not expect Funcom to come and discuss the issue with myself or any other members directly. It is not my style. I am not that naive, and frankly they have better ways to spend their time. My only goal is to generate well reasoned feedback, and hope that fortune smiles upon me and those who share my sentiment, and that it may at some point be taken under consideration.

Of course, until it becomes weighted unfavourably against your own viewpoint. At which point you just descend into off topic banter, and direct insults toward such people until their threads get closed, and you walk away without so much as a warning, and get to do it all over again. But I am sure having my Poll taken down was no big deal. After all you didn’t like it and it wasn’t your week and a half of hard work, so who cares right!?

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If you recall, I actually said your poll was totally fine. If you go back and reread what transpired, the issue devolved based on subsequent comments by others and yeah, I have a habit of not letting things go cuz I’m not wired that way. Here is another case in point. You called me back. I was done posting and was on to other things, yet here I am again.

To just about everyone involved in this thread:

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Funny, because I bought every single DLC, regardless of whether I was playing in a clan or solo.

I don’t know. Should you have started ranting just because you assume everyone thinks the way you do?

Funny, that’s what conversations on the forums often look like. :laughing:

I mean, look at this thread. It wasn’t even about whether the Bazaar prices are high, but here we are, again, in yet another discussion with @darthphysicist about what words we’re allowed to use if we want avoid being called names :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Snobs is probably off the list. I can remove cheap if that helps.

Firstly, I’m on Official PVE on PS5 :slight_smile: just wanted to bring things back a bit to the Bazaar and downloadable items. Even though items are pricey – I’ve been buying the things I really want – I’m actually very excited for the Hedge Maze, the Aquilonian bath set (hopefully toilet is working) and that small camping set that had a tent and some small placeables, to make their way back to the store!

The initial rounds of pricing seemed a bit high, but as they get placed back into the Bazaar again and again, I’m looking forward to grabbing a few! Also very excited for the supposed wall vines we’re going to get!

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It would seem so.

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And that’s exactly where the rubber meets the road in this case.

The assertion that “nobody would buy digital content if they could get it for free” is flawed and has been proven flawed over and over again throughout the history of digital content.

Contrary to what some people here seem to believe, people don’t mind paying for things, even if they could get them for free. And people also like sharing things they paid for, which was the central point of the original topic before ad hominems started.

When you look at other forms of digital content, like music and movies and TV shows, you can see that piracy isn’t the huge problem everyone made it out to be. It still exists, but people are okay with paying for things like Spotify, iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, and whatnot.

So it’s clear enough that “people won’t pay for digital content if they can get it for free” is an oversimplification. People are happy to pay for value.

Which brings us to what you mentioned about how the value proposition was much clearer back in the Age of DLC monetization :wink:

Let’s agree, for the sake of this discussion, that the DLC pricing was unsustainable. Let’s similarly agree that they’re not going to go back to the DLC monetization model, regardless of the pricing. That metaphorical ship has sailed and our discussions on the forums won’t make it come back to the proverbial port.

The question really becomes: given the new monetization and pricing, would sharing really be such a terrible disaster that people make it out to be?

Sharing could help with sales, or could hinder them. Sharing could help with many other things, too, but those are often regarded – on these forums – as unimportant, so let’s skip them for a moment.

I don’t actually have the answer, and I don’t think anyone here can have that answer because we have literally no data whatsoever. Only by analyzing the sales data can anyone hope to formulate some kind of answer to this question.

One thing is sure, though: the assertion that nobody would pay because that’s the way people are is incorrect, and has been proven incorrect time and time again.

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Its not a stretch to think if they were able to be given away, there would be fewer sold. Fewer sold = higher price for same revenue. Whether you think that would be the case or not is academic; it is reasonable to assume so, so rather than raise the price higher, account lock the content.

You can dispute that if you like, reject it, whatever, but it seems to be the assumption of the monetary strategy. In that scenario, sharing is lost potential revenue if freely able to do so. I default to the experts with a financial stake in the outcome to decide what is most reasonable. Its easy for us in the forum to be wrong about the strategy because our livelihood isnt tied to it.

So they patched old dlc sets to not be sharable like the bazaar/BP sets?

Which ever side of the “no free lunches” v. “accounting for goodwill” argument you fall on, penny pinching on 4 year old content seems petty…

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