The last time my whole clan went to farm with anger, we’ve made 4k dragonpowder in one day or 1 1/2…
So taemien is right.
If they wipe everything, big experienced clans wipes an entire server in few days, even without body vault loot.
And after they do this, they are going to gather loot and make body vaults again.
Ps: i think you can farm even more dragonpowder than this amount… We were 8-10 ppl, but at least 4 of us were lazy. Lol
Yet, I have been in clans who have done very nearly this as far as everything in vaults and chests of value. So, again not a fact as this has been and will be done again, again, and again.
It’s true, a big experienced clan with good teamwork will be able to wipe a server completely pretty fast unless they come up against another similar clan.
I’m not sure what can be done about this, or even if anything should be done. It’s natural right? I’m all for guiding new players, but at some point every new player and their clan of fresh-faced alphas are going to get bodied by an old school mega-clan. They pop up, spank you really hard and then leave or recruit you. You realise the depth of the PVP community and that you might have thought you were good, but you had no idea. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Everyone in PVP is vulnerable in one way or another. Mega clan players might lose battles, but not wars. Small clans, solos and new players are the opposite 
I don´t know on what “pvp” servers you are occasionally playing on, but the ones I played on since 2018 are full of jerks. Every one of them. Because pvp players are, in every game like that. Its known, its accepted, and you are seen as weird if you are not. Pvp is you hit first or you die and camping places like obelisk or hot zones is part of it. Everyone gets hunted down, even if they see you are naked. And esp. EU servers are hell, because you play mostly with russians and turks and most of them can´t even speak english and the rest often times refuses too. So there is no point in talking. No offense but this are facts. I do not want to bring politics into this, for obv. reasons, but lets say its even worse nowadays with the war going on. But its not a Conan problem only. I see this right now in every pvp game I play.
@Kapoteeni i fully understand how well players can coordinate in this game and yes I understand most Zerg clans have 2-3 clans working together. But some of these members are solely grinders and farmers, others might be builders who will grind or farm sometimes and some are strictly fighters. While yes the fighters given a hood head start could easily dominate a server fairly quickly they can still only do it on the server where the grinders and farmers have harvesting. They can’t just jump to any given server at anytime and expect to have full kits , heals, set pots, shelter and a vast supply of prefabricated powder, not to mention jugs, tar, maybe a treb which could take up to an hour to be ready. So sure they could retake one server maybe 2 in a night, but they’re not going to retake the entirety of the Conan pvp servers without their bv’s. And that’s not including they’ll need horses, thralls, gear for thralls and not to mention their very long pre-written list of excuses for when they get their arses kicked.
One thing I have noticed about this game is that the guys on top are these “old men”, veterans who have been playing for a long time, some since launch, and they have very supremacist attitude about staying on top at any cost. Even if that means tapping a bv, loading up a low level-mid level alt account and going out raiding noobs in T1 bases for fear that if they get built up and established then it will mean the end. “Old men” scared to death of this next younger generation of players who have these snap shot reflexes and aim like they have a psychic interface with their devices. In this game there is a lot to learn, more than can be absorbed in a few weeks so it’s just too easy for the old men to run the new kids off before they become a real threat. Get over it, this outlook is going to kill this game, it’s gonna be the same guys from the start still fighting only those same guys at the end. No new blood. It’s sad.
Not to mention that in its current state, even on a series X, this game is a 2 hour DL, without the DLC’s.
Um, one issue with this. “Old men” fighting wars lived to be old men because they were good at surviving. Veteran players also know the game more and the mechanics better and can take advantage of that knowledge to fight smarter and better.
You got me on the body vaulting , however as it should never have been allowed and patched (hotfixed) as soon as it was found to be happening.
Fast reflexes only matter if you can hit the target. Debuffs like cripple are a thing in this game also so that ties into the before mentioned hitting the target matters.
Not all who are new stay with this game and many get bored quickly and more so if they need to, with a very short attention span, learn new game mechanics. Player who stick around long enough to be “old men” or veterans are the ones keeping the game going.
Just so we are clear I don’t approve of camping and/or stalking newbies and consider it embarrassing to watch and the ones doing it to be cowards and are pathetic pvpers not worthy of the designation .
Some do and some don’t. However I do believe there needs to be a passing of the torch of activity from the vets to the up-and-coming new leadership.
While I don’t believe the alphas should hammer down the new blood like they do, the youth is a bit arrogant in their assumptions on this game as well. As you have said, there is a lot to learn so why the heck do they think the minute they reach level 50, they start attacking. There is a balance between the youth and the elders of this game that both are failing to see. The elders need to step back and allow leadership in the game to move into these new bloods but the new bloods need to understand that there is more to this game than gods, bombs, and left clicking/R1 spamming. Both are failing to fully embrace and enjoy this game and all of it’s complexity. Both need to “get over it”.
This…but we need to welcome the new and not just @$$holes to them. Our veteran status should mean that we can handle a back and forth rather than just sledgehammer destruction of opposition. As veterans, we should have some level of responsibility to pass on our knowledge and passion for this game so that it grows…vs jealously hording our positions and lore.
It’s supposed to be a friendly game. It hasn’t been that way in PVP for a few years.
@Sairdontis i agree with everything you’re saying to an extent. My problem with your reply is that you’re selectively replying to only certain matters.
I’m gonna say again, I play on Xbox, not pc so I honestly don’t know what pc gameplay servers are like, but on Xbox it’s these “old men” trying to rule every official pvp server in every time zone by the strategy of “wipe it, keep it empty”….they’re killing it.
Here’s a true story: 5 guys started playing Conan, they had maybe 10 days into the game. 2 of them were doing the Witch Queen when a veteran who just scouting, out looking for trouble encountered those 2 guys. When those 2 guys didn’t give him the trouble he wanted he simply created the ideal situation for them to have to kill him. They were lvl 40-50, he was like lvl 20 something, but he still went ham and started spamming throwing axes until they killed him. Then he goes crying to his clan about it so next day a veteran 6 man clan has 4 trebs set up on some nooby base in the Oasis……t1 gates and doors. Compound style with little houses and personal quarters and guard turtles. The vets never even built a base, they had porked thralls and epic and legendary gear, the noobs had mid grade and crafted steel weapons….it was a slaughter, emphasis on overkill with the trebs. Those noobs never played again after that. 5 more guys who didn’t buy any DLC’s or Siptah, 1 more clan run out of the game before they could even learn how to play it. I was just trying to help them but I’m just 1 person. I even tried to be diplomatic and diffuse the situation through private channels. Nope. And that’s how they do it on Xbox. Imagine what it like now that the vets have all these bv’s full of Siptah gear against new players who don’t even know what good vanilla gear is, not that it would make a difference.
The devs have to have realized by now that if they want their game to grow and make more money then they need to drive out all the old men. It’s a no brainer
Yeah, that is some players just throwing their weight around and I have seen it backfire hilariously when the whole server turns out to whip them back to the outer desert.
Drive out the players that have been playing the longest and have been keeping the game alive till now ? I don’t think that is the answer and I wouldn’t think that would necessarily keep the game going and many of these “old men” have bought every package that Funcom has offered up till now or at least most of the dlcs. There is no guarantee that new players will be willing to purchase all the old dlcs and spend money on the cash shop that is coming. The old players have a track record of purchasing, new players do not. I don’t see Funcom tossing either group out as that doesn’t make good business sense.
I would be more interested in seeing more defensive content be introduced to the game rather than punish pvpers for pvping on pvp servers. If the ability to easily wipe players is reduced and be more risky then I think that would have a better chance at leveling the playing field a bit.
no please…pve,pve-c…pvp servers go for it…i dont play there lol
Funny you say ‘old men’ because this is how PVP has been in games that have had it for over 25 years now. But I have to say that players getting frustrated by PVP happening on a PVP server simply because they are new to the game are playing on the wrong servers.
Its been well known for several decades that if you are new to the game, that you ought to steer clear from PVP (if possible) until you get your bearings. Some players do not require such safety and instead prefer to tough it out. They understand and accept the risks.
Players who are unable to do this, and leave the game instead of switching server types shouldn’t really be catered to. They were going to quit one way or another. This isn’t the game for them.
Nah, I think you’re just looking at it in the wrong way. A lot of them like battle and are pretty gung-ho but I’ve not met any actual “jerks”. So far every PvP server I’ve joined the players I encounter dish up kindnesses (until I’m level 60) - and by that time enough people know me and can decide if i’m worth killing, raiding, or inviting.
The first PvP server I joined was not dissimilar from every subsequent one. Here’s how that went. I was level 5 or 8 or something like that and an undead hyena killed me 20 yards from a fresh bedroll. Determined to get even and get my stuff back I died like, 3 more times trying. Finally out of frustration I typed “CRAPOLA! Again!!!” in chat. Another player asked me what was up. When I told them about the undead hyena and my 3 or 4 consecutive deaths they offered to help. I was like, hmm ok, if you could just distract it for a sec…
Two minutes later a player showed up with a bearer thrall and killed the undead hyena in just 3 hits or so. I got my stuff back which was all low level looted armor and iron weapons. The player said “here, take these” and dropped a full set of legendary medium armor and a horse at me feet. I set down the horse, equipped the armor, and thanked the player several times. “Wait”, said the player, “I forgot to make a saddle, here take mine.” 
I was pretty shocked. How totally cool. Then they asked me if I had a decent torch and when I said yeah I got the L2 one they said “We can fix that, it’s not far” and they took me to the Dregs. On the way we fought the 3skull crock together and I got a legendary 2H axe. In the Dregs we got the Glowing Stick recipe and together we beat the boss before parting ways.
Like I say, some level of coolness similar to that has been shown me in every PvP server I’ve joined. But then, I don’t try to act all tough nor do I assume they are all jerks… so maybe that’s the difference? And now I fairly often pay that kindness forward - it just feels right…
Or maybe you two ran into different kinds of people on different servers 
There’s your problem. I used to play on X-box until my machine died and I inherited a PS. It’s a whole different experience. The X-box Conan players are just the way you describe. This word gets thrown around a lot, but I’m gonna say it: X-box official PVP has a lot of toxic players. It is dominated by, as you say, experienced players who are also win-at-all-costs (up to and including undermeshing etc), and take any minor slight as an excuse to absolutely annihilate the poor opponent until they quit the server. That’s how these guys judge victory. “welcome to PVP bro suck it up.” I heard variations on that a lot on X-box. I’ve not seen a single person say something like that on PS.
PS players seem more likely to only raid with alts and use underhanded PVE strategies to decay-hunt and steal bases and such. But at least they don’t measure their d*#ks by how many servers they’ve killed.
Well I could have told you all that. I remember way back when (you know…when xbox was an actual challenge to Sony 
) Xbox was the FPS system and online competition while PS was more story and RP. Even Playstation’s Halo alternative, Killzone, had a great story with it. The systems players evolved from this premise. Sure there are those that cross the lines but Xbox has the competitive WAAC and Playstation has the story.
True. I’m much more at home on PS now. I’m naturally a pretty chill guy, and it suits me better.
But I learned online gaming on xbox (playing Halo no less). So sometimes I come across a bit prickly to the PS players. I know it. People message me to be friends and I assume they’re playing a long con, coz on Xbox Conan they would be 
Maybe WhiteRabbit works for a telephone operator company or an ISP? At least around here, they never offer any meaningful bonuses for loyal existing customers, only carrots for new ones (which they can naturally get only from people leaving another company’s services because around here, almost everyone has a phone and internet anyway).
There’s one simple fact about competitive survival: intelligence is the OP super-stat, not reflexes. Evolution of the human species proves that. Our muscles are woefully inefficient compared to just about any mammal of a comparable body weight, yet here we are, the top alpha clan on the planet.
Experience, knowledge and the ability to plan and formulate strategies are the “old men’s” survival tools. I love games where using one’s brain is a viable alternative to having microsecond reflexes. And I’m not even among the oldest people I know on these forums, even though my videoa game hobby began with the Home Pong console when I was a kid.
Yeah, these kinds of claims are always so anecdotal… It’s really hard to take any of them seriously when trying to make a case for how things are in general… For me the experience is coolness shown now 6 times out of 5 server joins - what others experience I have no way of knowing.
The problem is that Tele compares apple with oranges and refuses to understand what the issues are if you play on EU servers. There are 24 official languages spoken in the European Nation. Esp. East European countrys often tend to not want to use english or simply can´t because their english skills are very poor to say the least. Most pvp players tend to only accept their own country men. Russian players, as an example, almost never speak english on EU servers, except they start swearing at you. They could but they don´t. They come to the server, stick together, write russian in chat and treat everybody else as an enemy. You do not need to do anything, just try to communicate with them in english and they will turn on agressive mode in under two seconds. They are masters in swearing and shouting and want to do all sorts of stuff to your mother 
And this is the truth. I have managed to met 2 chill russian dudes in the last 2 years and even they say the same about their own countrymen. No hate, just simple facts.
Almost all people on EU servers are “jerks” in my opinion because they stick to their “group” of people and thats it. They could talk a lot more and some might try. But as long as people refuse to accept english as their gaming “main language” on a server nothing will change. And you can not help others if they refuse to accept talking in a language most at least at a basic level understand.