By the way, I’m of the opinion that if a society has decided that a particular word is offensive, it should be offensive regardless of who said it or what their skin color is. I can give a pass on language differences and historical/theatrical context. But when it comes to mediums like text chat in an online game, it becomes doubly important to adhere to a set standard instead of being wishy washy over whether or not the person who said it is some kid in Chicago.
that’s offensive/hate speech to you? Lmao. On official server im at russians word-fight everyone non-russian, and vice-versa, and nobody even bothers lol. Dude it’s game. You know what internet harassment is? Nothing. It doesn’t exist. You literally can just press ‘mute’ and problem is solved. You can turn internet off and problem is no more.
Why are you so easily offended by Text on a Screen? Funcom will tell you to First Block the User and if they Kept Harassing you from there, report them. Block is in the game for this reason, the people who are easily offended, Use it.
You’re missing the point. That statement was about consistent enforcement of the rules. I could go on and on for days about self appointed arbiters of decency proclaiming all sorts of things to be hate speech (and there is undeniably a LOT of that bullcrap going on). But once it’s been decided, then the rule should apply equally to all. Not be selectively enforced, as the above mentioned arbiters also like to do.
Do you always make your points with personal attacks? Seriously, dude, even when I agree what you’re trying to say, you always find a way to shoehorn a personal attack into your post.
I’ve seen him say he’s been coding for 30+ years, not that he was a game developer, but even if he said that, you do realize both could be true, right? Not everyone is a twenty-something like you, and sometimes people who have been doing one thing long enough decide to change that, if they have the opportunity.
All the more reason that it should be discussed, and not just on television news and isolated corners of the internet, but everywhere.
Yes, even on game forums.
Believe it or not, that used to be a thing. In fact there used to be a special section of game forums called the “Off Topic Forum” where such discussions occurred and were even encouraged. Yes, it would get heated at times. And when it got too heated, the mods would step in and cool things down, but discussions would still be allowed to continue.
When that went away, that’s about the time when those topics became relegated to massive echo chambers. Nobody’s opinion was being challenged anymore. A lot of people started not even being exposed at all to opposing opinions. Where has that gotten us? We’re more divided than ever, and burying our heads in the sand is only moving us even further apart. People are disowning family members over what name is on a friken yard sign for God’s sake. Some are even doing it for not being enthusiastic enough in their agreement on a topic!
In the end, I’m sure this topic is going to be closed and likely deleted, just as you wanted. And that action is only going to contribute to the larger problem. I can only hope that someday enough people start realizing what’s going on that we can start talking to each other again and a genuine healing process can begin.
Those “better spaces” are the echo chambers. People tend to gravitate to discussion groups that coincide with their own already established beliefs, so they don’t get as much exposure (or any, in many cases) to opposing viewpoints. The true test in the validity of one’s beliefs can only happen when you are outside of your comfort zone and confronted with thoughts and opinions that do not match your own. Best way for that to happen is through casual contact, not by forcing people to have to make the conscious decision to expose themselves to it.
It’s not a perfect example, but picture two chefs. One is a specialist in French cuisine, cooks only French food, eats only French food, visits only high end French restaurants, etc. The other is also a professional French chef, but is willing to visit all kinds of restaurants and taste all kinds of different foods.
I will suggest that this is an understandable response, but not the best one.
The suggested failure of the Color Blind Society was that in changing culture, but not institutions or social forces, we made a mistake, which is that it’s harder to talk about the things we MOST need to talk about.
For example, “can I say this word” or “what does this word mean?” It is not a good thing that these are dangerous questions. This pivot ensures that people will be less open to talking about these issues.
Less communication=less understanding=more distance between groups.
Has everything to do with the people who form the conan exiles and siptah game community. The rest of the world doesn’t just go away and disappear when you click the play button. It’s still there. You see it each and every time the chat box pops up with new text in it or run into another character on the screen that isn’t controlled by a computer. You being here, right now, posting that message, is you making the conscious decision to interact with that community, which is formed by the thoughts, opinions and life experience of everyone within said community.
This thread was started because somebody in this community said something others may find offensive or hateful. Pretending it doesn’t happen or that it shouldn’t be talked about because it’s not somewhere in the game code isn’t going to make this issue go away no matter how much you want it to. The only way to solve it is if the issue is actually acknowledged and discussed. That’s how community standards of behavior are formed and reinforced, regardless of whatever subject that community was built around.
Some of us have lived on this land for many winters. I, for example, have worked in Tech support for 17 years, but I have a Master’s degree in English Translation, and I’ve also worked as a math teacher in elementary school, as a newspaper reporter, and quite a few other things in my life. All of this I can prove.
I’m worried about the trend that has been growing in recent years where people online simply state something as facts, with no regard to actual facts or evidence. But that doesn’t mean you can call people liars just because you don’t like something they say - that’s just the flip side of stating something as facts without evidence.
As a linguist (or if we want to split hairs, translator, which isn’t exactly the same) I have been interested in the development of the forbidden N-word and its variations in different languages and cultures since the mid-1990s when it was first “considered by some to be offensive” in my native Finnish language. When I was a kid, there weren’t many black people in Finland, and the local variant of the word was considered neutral. I believe it was American influence; when Finns realized that the American version of the same word was considered offensive by Americans, Finns decided that despite a different language and different cultural context (and indeed, different word), the similar expression in Finnish must also be offensive, and thus banned from neutral speech.
Curiously, even though a similar discussion has been going on regarding the I-word used to refer to Native Americans, the Finnish version is still considered appropriate and neutral.
I do think that @Glurin is mostly right that in public speech, using words that are generally considered offensive is most likely intentionally provocative, and should be treated as such. I can freely use these words in a linguistic context because in such contexts, the word is a subject of examination rather than something used to refer to other people - but I would quite carefully avoid using the same words when chatting with my friends in a public place.