I play on the American region. I live in Canada. One day, 2 Russian-speaking people appeared on the server. A conversation started and because of this, one player started complaining that there should only be English speech on the server and immediately started raiding all Russian speakers. Is this open racism? Should he be punished?
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No, though it might be ethno-nationalism, depending on their motivations.
I assume this is PvP, where raiding people is what you do - for any reason or for no reason.
There are rules against harrassment though. If they should be punished would depend on what all they said and how they said it, but I don’t think spinning the Wheel of Arbitrary Reasons to Raid and having it land on “they speak Russian” is in itself harassment.
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Lets just make one thing clear. There is absolutely nothing wrong or racist with asking people on a primarily English speaking server to speak in English. The same is true of any language. You wouldn’t fly to Italy and expect everyone to speak German for you, right? Same principle.
Can it be taken too far? Sure. But that doesn’t make the underlying principle wrong.
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I’ll add he also said no Spanish on the server. America is not only English! It’s also Spanish and French.
I’ve seen people freely spamming the N-Word in chat and getting zero consequences from it, Im spanish and I consider talking spanish in an english server inapropiatte
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It’s not racist, it is rude. If they are speaking with each other are you offended by the language or offended you can’t understated them, in a private conversation?
No, but I wouldn’t expect Germans to speak Italian to each other just because they are in Italy either.
You mean if you don’t speak my language on my server I’m going to bully and harass you?
Did you get screen caps and file a report? Did anyone? YOU are the admin on the public servers. If you don’t report violations you have no room to complain about them.
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I wouldn’t give a f about it.
Some people seem to wake up looking for things to be offended.
But perhaps those players should use private communication channels.
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Had the opposite thing happen to me on a Russia based server (I mean the server location indicated it to be somewhere around Moscow), when I conversed with other people on the server in English.
Dude got really upset that we weren’t speaking Russian to each other. We weren’t even speaking with him.
Personally, I wouldn’t give a single F what language people spoke to each other on any server or any game.
It ain’t against TOS anyway.
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Exactly. Chat windows aren’t quite the same as speaking to someone in a public place. They’re more like getting up on a stage with a microphone and having a conversation. It’s quite inconsiderate to do so in a language that the people viewing the stage do not understand. If you want to have a private conversation, do so in a private channel.
This isn’t racist, in my opinion - it’s just ignorant at best and stupid at worst. People can converse in any language they want on the Conan Exiles servers and no player has any house rights on the official servers about it.
The rules defined by Funcom apply on the so-called official servers, and no one violates any rules by speaking Russian, Ukrainian, Romanian, Swahili, Afrikaans, Hebrew, Japanese, etc. in global chat on any server located in Canada, the USA, or anywhere else as long as the speech isn’t offensive or hateful. If you suspect that the Russian texts meet one of the latter criteria, you can simply go to digitally translat them - it’s really not difficult these days.
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I see a public chat as, well a public chat, it’s no sort of stage. You are not shouting so the people in the back row can hear. Local chat would be better then server but I don’t think private is necessary.
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nope, definitely not anything like a stage. A stage would imply that they are talking to you, but they aren’t. They are conversing with somebody else and you are a bystander. Which would compare more to a market place in a town and you happen to be there too.
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Is that what the actors are doing when you go see a play? I think not.
When you put a message in the global channel, you are directing whatever you are saying to the public even if you aren’t actually talking to the public. Whether you are having a chat with someone specific or not, just being in the global channel means it’s intended for the global public to see and interact with. If that is not your intention, then you are in the wrong channel and it is extremely rude for you to presume that you can co-opt the global chat for your private use.
Speaking English on an English speaking server is common courtesy and promotes a friendly and cooperative environment. It doesn’t have to be a rule.
again, they are not directing any of that towards you…actors do. The stage comparison is inadequate because the situation of a play and a stage with an audience is completely removed from what is happening in a written chat.
no, you are simply a bystander to a conversation. Like people talking to each other on the subway, next to you, you are not invited to chime in or demand them to speak YOUR language or even with you.
Would you say they are rude because they have a conversation next to you?
you being offended by that doesn’t mean you are correct to be offended. That is just some form of false entitlement by yourself. And you are still perfectly capable to use the global chat for your conversations simultaniously.
says you, and you alone…you are making up your own rules, and assume everybody else has to follow. How (false) entitled are you?
You are exactly the type of person from my little story I told way up in this thread. You simply have no right to make conversation rules that you deem “polite”.
A conversation over a loudspeaker. This is not just some casual chatter by a couple of people that happen to be sitting next to you. You speak in global chat and EVERYONE has no choice but to hear you as loudly as if you were speaking directly at them. That’s the difference. Everyone is part of your conversation whether you like it or not. Yes, by putting it in global chat they did invite me to chime in. That is specifically what global chat is designed and intended to do. And yes, they are being rude involving me in a conversation that is in a language I do not understand. I would not be in the wrong to politely ask them to move their private conversation to a more appropriate venue.
ehm, it is text… you literally have the choice to NOT READ it, and on top of it: YOU CAN’T, since it is a foreign language.
They are NOT screaming into your ear.
again, NO. You just have a sense of false entitlement if you think you need to chime in.
I bet they did that only AFTER you became that Karen like in that meme video.
Is it? Where is that written down? Doesn’t say so in the TOS. This seems to be again something based on your sense of false entitlement.
you wouldn’t be wrong, no. It is well within your right to do so, but they are under no obligation to do as you ask, because they are not breaking any rules other than the ones you invented.
my last word on this: Most of your argument is very subjective. You analogies are ill fitting: It is neither a LOUDSPEAKER, nor is anybody obligated to read any of it, or even respond. You are defining global chat as something it really isn’t, and argue that “mis-using” it is rude… it ain’t a “mis-use” and considering it rude is your subjective view, based on what I can only discribe as false entitlement.
Take it or leave it, I just want to point out to you, that not many here seem to agree with you on this. And that short video someone posted is literally your attitude, with just a few drinks too many.
Where on the public servers does it state that it is an english speaking server? just because it’s located in NA doesn’t make it an english speaking server … since in Canada people also speak french, furthermore, in the USA people speak various languages ( as spanish is the 2nd most spoken language in the US).
I live in France , and on European servers there is a multitude of different languages spoken , of course no one is forced to speak German if the EU server happens to be located in Germany … and yes English is the Universal language different countries use to speak between each other ( there was a time in history where it was French 
) and so it’s the most common way to speak on global chat. but people are less or more knowledgeable of how the chat works and how to use local or clan chat…
You are over exaggerating, I can’t count the number of time I missed someone chat because I was occupied farming or in a dungeon… Nonetheless you can also mute someone in chat if it bothers you that much to not understand private public conversation. But they could speak to each other on discord instead of chat you gonna say , that’s if they have enough money to buy a headset , you don’t know their story and so you shouldn’t assume anything as some people don’t know any better. At last common courtesy is not for everyone , you are allowed to be rude , just you’ll have to assume the consequences of that behavior someday ( or not )
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That’s not the same thing.
People in the subway are speaking on Local chat, not Global, and you happen to be close enough to hear them.
When someone posts in Global they are, whether they want to admit it or not, broadcasting their conversation to everyone. They are inviting everyone on the server to participate in their conversation.
If someone posts, “I like pie” in global then they shouldn’t be surprised in the slightest when other people respond with various comments. Why? Because posting in global is, by definition, inviting everyone to participate in the conversation.
Courtesy and etiquette cut both ways - if you don’t want people to participate in your conversation then don’t broadcast your conversation to the whole server, don’t use Global, that’s just asking for people to respond.
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that’s assuming the people speaking on global chat know how to use the /local or /clan function , as it is mostly not the case for new players untill someone explains it to them … as the game doesn’t explain it to you in a evident manner. So yes it’s common courtesy unless you don’t know any better