You won’t be able to use it in real time on G-portal (I don’t believe, you’ll need to ask them), but you can easily FTP your game.db file to your PC and run the script on it. You should already have the game.db as a server owner for backup purposes.
Not PS4, Sony blocks .db access due to cyber security concerns…checked along time ago, whichbis why i shut down my server after 3 month sub was done. PS4 admins only have sliders and a few txt settings files they can play wit.
That isnt a problem really if everyone who plays official pvp can agree on settings. I don’t ever see anyone arguing for settings (exception being some folks who want dynamic building damage) though I agree a push for different settings would carry more weight.
I skipped reading most of this because it was bickering. So apologies if I’m saying something someone else has already contributed.
The problem as I see it is that if you advertise a game as PVP it’s going to attract PVPers. PVPers to varying degrees have two things in common: they want their skill to matter, and they want a fair impartial playing environment to compete. Role players otoh need an environment that’s curated and moderated so that the stories they want to tell can be told. These two things are not fully compatible.
There’s nothing wrong with telling PVPers that in this game they need an unofficial curated environment for the game to be fair and skill-based. It’s just that they’re going to find that idea suspicious. Most PVPers assume their best chance at a fair impartial environment for skill-based competition is the “official” version of whatever game we’re talking about. Not crazy to think.
Maybe situation is that vanilla CE PVP suits PVE and role-play PVP, where the story the players make comes first. That’s fine. But PVPers aren’t going to know that going in, and it’s not their fault. I’ve been playing for years and have only just accepted that I probably need to abandon official servers.
Again, I will reiterate, I am not saying shut down officials and only go private; I’m saying that if the officials dont meet your needs, maybe privates are not as awful as many assume for pvp.
I do find it a bit curious that the only solutions to CE pvp are assumed that they have to be compulsory base game changes rather than changes to the server settings/environment. Private/official it seems no one likes how anyone is admining anything. You can see how this makes it difficult to reconcile what people say they want?
Believe it or not but most of the old remaining pvp players have tried private servers or still playing on them but the overall population to make various servers with different settings work is too low. And don’t get me wrong they totally have points where they’re much better than officials and adjusted to mass liking.
BUT at the same time there are problems with privates which make it totally understandable that you don’t wanna play there which you would get if you’d be a long time pvp player. Like pvp as in frequent raiding and fighting not just sitting in a big stacked up base worrying about your loot. I personally dont understand why you go on and talk with pvp sided people if you yourself do not play pvp - makes no sense because you cant relate to the pvp community and their problems and it ALWAYS shows in your comments.
For example frequently wiping to keep player counts up so the server offers a lot pvp is annoying for people who like pvp but cant farm all the thralls and stuff every two weeks. Some people prefer to not randomly lose all their progress just because a server needs to get a wipe.
Admins are humans and where humans “work” there will always be a flavor of “i like you more, here have a cupcake” or “i didnt like your answer, here eat sh*t”. Happened at a lot of privates i played on.
I could go on but the point is - funcom also has the possibility to offer a lot of variations like privates can. You can work so much with the settings but instead there are like 10ish official pvp servers people play on(with 5 being worth playing on because enough population) and the rest of the 1000 servers (even after merging) with the same godforsaken settings are dead. Take only 10 out of those 1000 and give them different settings. Weekend raids only. Higher farm/exp rates. Less thrall dmg. Smaller clansizes. Just give it some spice and make your playerbase happier.
I agree, great idea, it’s been proposed many times in the past though so I guess FC isn’t interested - (they might have to actually debug something LOL).
But yeah, out of the thousands of possible configurations that would make very good sense for various playstyles FC chooses only three and clones those about 200 fold…
Like I said before, this is because people who are drawn to the idea of PVP crave impartial environments. They prefer any rules to be coded into the game itself if possible, and the version they play to be the standard. This is so they know that if they won or lost it was fair play and they were playing the “real” game, not some unofficial version. Anything with “official” in the name is going to attract PVP types and anything perceived as unofficial is going to put them off. It’s a fundamental mindset difference.
That’s not even mentioning the admin abuse thing, but I think that’s often just rationalizing the feeling that they want to be playing the “official” game.
I’ll tell you why I guess. I think PvP is important for CE. This is Conan, not home curator. The game should have a ton of PvP and personally I think if you take the PVP out of CE, it totally misses the point. What I can’t relate to is an attitude that people cannot solve their own problems when the tools to do so are available. What I also can’t relate to is when a significant fraction of PVP complaints seem to blame the “admin”, be it on officials or privates, it makes no sense. Its like blaming the refs for a loss in any sport. I love the idea of PVP and I want people who say its “dead” or whatever to offer up real solutions rather than subtractions from the game.
I’m not hostile to PVP. I’m hostile to bad arguments but it just so happens many of them are made out of the endless “pvp dead and Funcom killed it” complaints. If people think they can do better, I’m merely pointing out they have the ability to do so.
Let’s just address the other side of that while we’re at it. I also see a lot of unreasonable complaints from official PVE and PVE-C. People treat Officials like a right and have demands for service because its unimaginable that they either host their own server or join a like-minded private. Its easier to dismiss these complaints because well… why? Everyone else is seemingly on the same page that PVE players should get their own server and use mods and it rides like a subtext when those complaints pop up, so its easy to dismiss.
People who know me know that I really want CE to have the best PVP experience possible, something at one point I caught a lot of PVE players heat in a very specific situation trying to defend. There are those of us who want it, know it is valuable for the game, but need better material from people to help make the case.
But the servers are not the game. I know what you say is true, I understand that is the mentality. It needs to change if people want to get what they want tho. Officials are just Privates operated by Funcom. They arent even on vanilla rates which is why even tho what you say is true, people who feel that way are missing the point. Those servers already have a special set of settings (boosted farming/xp come to mind). What they really want is more special settings. People need to make those arguments convincingly, not just say “remove lance”. It needs to have some kind of rationale/data behind it that is hard to refute.
Reality is, that people that are not into techs, and that is the majority of people world wide, are forced to use Microsoft if they want to use a pc. I can easily say I am making a fortune by beeing the biggest can producer if there is barely any other can producer in the whole world left that makes me not having to study can production first to open a can.
What do you think people are doing for more then 4 years now? If I read your comments it sounds like people that play officials have never tried pvp private or play there too. Most people I know play both and both for a reason. And yet they think that pvp is a total bugfest and needs a lot if fixing.
For me this whole thread is reading like a desperate: please pvp people, go to private, all will be good there. All your problems will vanish. Sorry saying that to you darthphysicist but this is bs.
Then explain what are pvp bugs that we dont all suffer from. Explain what is special about bugs on officials that are solved when pvpers have gone to privates but all that remains is bad admins. Explain what can be done that isnt already done. I saw the posts about nemedian and okay, that’s convincing and is exactly the kind of thing that should (and I believe will) be fixed. Its concrete and actionable. It was also an argument made convincingly because its not just based on whims and feels and also I might add, completely independent of officials vs privates. It affects all and is not something intended I can guarantee you. But many of the complaints are based on taste, not rationale.
Recent bombs duping, undermesh/underworld/flying bases, lagswitsching & insane raiding hours for people with real life + sad rates if you farm everything to lose it to cheaters, you want me to continue? Those problems might be solved by moving to privates but this cant be the solution you aim for as fc. You should want to have a stable game which can make various people happy due to different server settings and you fixing your damned game.
Thanks for explaining your pov though. Its appreciated even though i feel like you still lack knownledge bout how it really goes down on pvp servers to really be helpful for the pvp community.
What I know about PVP is largely gleaned from what I see presented in the forums. So if people see my posts and think “this guy doesnt understand pvp”, its a mirror of how people present it to me. If someone thinks what I say is “garbage momma” (Didnt flag that, thought it was actually humorous) then they should realize that someone who wants to help them is not getting their point of view even when I actively try to find the thread. I am persuadable.
To be completely honest, if my friends were into pvp, I would have been hosting pvp servers already. They just arent. They like to dollhouse and have shaleback pets (gross) and create livestock farms . I cringe at this. But its not just about me. We’ve played games for years together and so this is the house I find myself in. I actually have a server at home that could easily host a 70+ pop server but inviting a crowd of pvpers into the zone would alienate my friends and friends of course come first. By all means, keep pushing pvp changes because I would love to be able to convince my friends, but recognize that just as I concede things are server specific to cater to my friends, Funcom must cater to their friends in the PVE/RP community as well. Thats why I say focus on the environment. Server settings/privates whatever, but make it convincing. Show us non-initiated what its really about and why certain changes are necessary to be base game where we find the ability to adapt thru mods and server settings daily.
Bugs, glitches, exploits and cheating all happen on Privates too. The difference is Privates are (somewhat) actively moderated.
If Officials were moderated, and yes by professionals, we’d have a great game. Maybe this is what we should be asking for instead of “leave Officials now!”
I think yeah that would be better, but it comes with cost that must be recouped. That wouldnt be a problem for me; I’ve accepted that by purchasing servers and renting them in the past. My impression was though that people don’t want to pay even $5/mo for official server access. But I think that would be good if it could be done.