I am glad you can nippick the definition of a siege but not the TOS. Double standards right there.
Here is a more detail read even though it is wiki.
Siege also means to blockade.
LOL
This game is no longer allowing toxic build blocking behaviour, Iâm glad.
I also want a 20-40 block perimeter âclaimâ from the game like outside your main base. From neighbours.
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Truth be told. I think building should have a time requirement on this (vs instant placement). I think foundations should take 5 minutes and walls and ceilings take 2). If that was changed I wouldnât have a problem with the walling off as much during a raid since there is time invested into it and clear warning that itâs coming to the defender. Still against the ToS and therefore reportable.
As for the ToS nitpicking, there is nothing to nitpick because itâs their server, their rules. Really that freaking simple. I know where they are coming from and I see where they are going so I donât need to nitpick. My issue with FC isnât enforcement of a ToS but of FCâs lack of expedient corrective action when something game breaking comes up (like the bomb dupe). They spent all their time on trying to solve the long term but they could have easily just taken bombs offline until the fix was in.
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So door campingbis illegal? If a clan of 10 camped your door 24 hours straight, they are prevent8ng you from leaving.
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Yes I would consider that harrassment at that point but the player does have ways to leave outside of the door but removing some of their building to make an escape.
I find myself in agreement with @Ulyssi here. On a PVP server, you could actually argue that a wall like that could be considered part of the investment of enemy fortification, serving as a line of contravallation in this case.
My gut tells me that Funcom would dismiss that argument, but it would be interesting to have them dismiss it explicitly, because it would give us more clarity and further insight into their vision for this game.
And no, Iâm not just arguing for the sake of arguing here. I think itâs important for people to understand how Funcom envisions them playing this game, so both players and devs can put an effort into making this whole thing work.
For example, I believe â and this is just a belief, not something based on strong evidence â that Funcom didnât envision Conan Exiles as a game with sieges and wars. These things require armies, among other things. And protracted engagement. And strategy (as opposed to tactics). And many other things that are not present in this game at all.
Thereâs a reason that we all regularly talk about raids, not sieges. We have one offensive siege weapon and one (entirely useless) defensive siege weapon, and both seem like they were thrown into the game in the typical âwouldnât it be cool if we had thatâ fashion.
My belief is that Funcom thinks of âraidingâ in terms of breaching the fortification, killing the inhabitants, plundering the loot, and running away, rather than completely wiping the whole base off the map. If that turns out to be true, it would explain a lot of their decisions. Confirming that might help players adapt to their vision, or at the very least make an informed decision about whether they want to keep playing the game on official servers.
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I agree that would be ideal but we cant really report them for loot dropping and the problem with leaving enemies alive is that they could have a secret stash and hit you offline. It is better to wipe completely if they started the fight but from my perspective it depends on their experience in conan. I wouldnt wipe noobs if I raid them. Sometimes I give their stuff back depending how bad they built the base. lol
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And it being exiles, the player can leave the ase via midnight potion.
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So I shouldnât be able to raid because they broke the game and others exploited how they broke it? Yea Iâll pass on that logic.
Also just raid them like normal and stop cheesing things just to get an advantage⊠If you canât take them without the walls and other garbage just donât raid them⊠Or get more people or even thralls⊠Making walls is cheap regardless of rules, have some honor in your battlesâŠ
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Honor in battle? This is not gladiator. Most of the raids against me is 20 vs 3 what honor are you referring too? There no honor in war but whoever comes with the most ingenius ways of winning.
No honor list:
Gorillia warefare,
Thralls,
Offlining,
Higher player count,
Building a treb before raid time so you basically melt the base in less than 10 seconds,
Body vaults,
Decaying base items to prevent players from getting it.
This is called warfare, I do not hold grudges on people tactics but find ways to overcome it.
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So ones defensive, pun intended. Donât be a dick because youâve been dicked is the moral of that little storyâŠ
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Look how big the map is dude lol. Plus this game should be optimized for bases and thralls to be big. They only complain about the lagg it âcausesâ . It should t even to begin with. If you are blocking brimstone lake. Ban them for sure. Any place where you get excessive amount of resources should equal a ban. But if you block 1 or 2 nodes I donât see a problem tbh . You need a base to sorta defend its sled especially for pvp. Canât be on raid windows every single day lol
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You see it that way. I just see it as a tactic. When germany invaded russia. Russian destroyed all crops while germany was trying to conquer they ended up starving having to retreat.
I dont see it the way you do. I just see a chess move.
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Yup, I agree on both points. On the explicits, didnât they already under the walls section:
You can see it as bothâŠa strategic move and a move beneath your own morals. Everything maybe fair in love and war but that shouldnât mean everything is fine for what you believe is right and wrong.
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I just dont hold grudges if it happens to me.
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Yep, this is my long held belief too. They didnât envision huge impregnable castles meeting hundreds of bombs. I think they imagined single-layer walls being surgically breached, players fighting, containers being busted and then the raided party retaliating in kind. A much faster and lower-stakes sort of conflict. I think it explains a lot.
I also think it would be fun, theyâre not stupid to want that. Just a bit naive to not predict the sort of gameplay that would emerge.
Re: the question of the thread, like others here I think walling raiders in should be a legitimate tactic. Itâs a creative PVP solution. But yeah⊠it probably exposes you to banning under the current ToS.
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We have linked @Umborls into a considerable number of threads asking for opinion and/or confirmation⊠Crickets so far⊠but maybe weâll get lucky?
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No its not. Its pur spam to troll the enemie. This has nothing to do with tactics. Wallspamming is a methode done by people that are not able to raid a clan because they are to weak to do so. And this has to be said. Every clan who is up for raiding and confident enough will do so, no matter if they get in in the end or not. They might build a raid or treb base near you to retreat or secure the raidloot but otherwhise will attack you directly. They do not build a wall around your base and sit there for you to starve. This is nothing but trolling behaviour because everybody knows that you can easily get out there to escape with your loot if you want too. I would even say wallspamming is a form of harrasment. And this is and should not be allowed for obvious reasons on any server. The lack of respect for each other has led the pvp community where it is now. Where everybody thinks that anything is allowed. Its a spiral down to a point of no return. Abuse, duping, scripting, trolling, false reportings, harrasment. All allowed, all legit in the eyes of the most pvp players. It has gone very far in Conan and until we do not break this cycle and people start taking responsibility for their action we are moving further down into the dark. It needs more people that say: its enough. As long there are still people that defend such behaviour and call stuff like this legit people see no reason to change.
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