I have to disagree with this, thats not what most people say. They usually go with “just farm one of those too!”.
another point to this excellent resume of why horse are so unbalanced is, that as a footman you don’t even hear horse approach, or when you hear them you are already hitted and have 80% of your hp removed, with a bleed stack… a footman should hear horse approach from long distance, as in reality.
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Another thing: I also remember the times when it meant something to get the 4th hit of the spear combo onto your enemy (bleed+cripple). Bleed used to mean: You can’t heal!
Nowadays they give it out for free (bleed) when sitting on horse next to the attack speed nerf they did towards the spears (this was when the arena DLC came out iirc).
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I am an old gamer (playing games for a very long time pc, solo, mmo, pve/pvp). But I am fairly new at Conan exiles. (I had been to Age of Conan game by Funcom aswell as pvp, ages ago)
Pve sucks hard aswell, someone can not even move properly at offical pve servers because of the insane lag and keep freezing and dying in various ways (no matter how tough your avatar is)
I was thinking on moving to pvp server. (At least there should be less of giant construction sites and swarms of player owned npcs since pvpers clear them)
Too much crafting and Item power is killing the game
Anyhow, I really think this game would have alot more player if everything didnt rely on crafting (Combat feats/Survival feats ; instead of crafting feats as an option + Attributes should have beated the Tier Bla items if pvp meant to be for instant fun at log in. Only levelling up and the gaming experience would be required to be effective at combat/survival), if players could build buildings %500 slower and had restrctions for scaling the buildings…If each player could own only three npc followers (thrall, pet, mount).
It seems to be a lag/crafted item fest. It breaks my heart. This game has so much potential but load anything at crafting , item power and continous npc crafting emptiness, which adds more and more lag to servers…which leads to bleeding of playerbase.
I wish the entire game carried on as this :
Including those of us that think people shouldn’t comment on things they know NOTHING about, right? When someone admits they have never done something then proceeds to tell everyone else they are wrong, it gives ME a chuckle.
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Man. Yesterday was a training day for my clan.
Everything was going well while on ground, then we started mounted combat. Ok it’s VERY hard to fight against someone on horse if vou are not. Not impossible, but VERY hard. Ok
Then we’ve added tigres hahhahaha
Our 5x5 turns out into a Tiger fest. It was just about luck. If your Tiger get stuck in a rock and the enemy’s doesn’t then you are done, ir your tiger keeps getting or changing the Target to the wrong one, then you are done. No skill needed, Just luck and numbers.
Maybe we are going to fight again today. I’m going to post vídeos here.
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And yet another person coming here trying to force people to basically “shut up” on the forums. Everyone gets a voice here whether people like you want them to or not.
And the people that do have PvP experience, that disagree with the anti-horse crowd, they get deluged with personal attacks after personal attacks.
The anti-horse crowd has literally jumped the shark.
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They have the option to be morons and tell you stop talking about something you don’t know about, you have the option to ignore them and keep sharing your wisdom. And the flag button is always up there for everyone.
Seems to be working well.
And honestly, lets say for a moment that we all agree that you are wronged, and that these people are all delusional.
Now what? The meta stays the same; Do you get any benefit from it? Does tigers/horses getting nerfed mess your game so much to the point where you need to go out of your PVE way, prove every single person disagreeing wrong, and keep things as they are? Doesn’t seem worth the effort either.
I really don’t see the point here, aside from arguing just for the sake of it.
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I am actually curious, since you say horses are totally balanced in regards to overall PvP. So I got some questions:
Do you only fight on horse? If your mount gets killed, do you run all the way back to base to get another mount or do you continue the fight on foot?
What is the most hated thing that can happen to you when you fight on horse? What gives you the most trouble in fights?
What do you do, when you get attacked by 2 or more horses, when you are alone and no clan mates are available to help you?
Do you have trouble seeing who is friend or foe on the battlefield? (can be mounted people or people on foot)
What was the biggest “zerg” you had before?
From my understanding a big part of the reason why you do not hear the incomming cavalry attack is the latency. The game has to try to predict where the position of the other player will be to display / render it. Does the hitbox match with what you are shown on your side of the interpolation in the end? Often enough it is difficult to predict when hits will connect or how to avoid an attack because of that latency effect. Movement speed scales that experience.
I look them square in the eye and say “Pfft. I can take that easily. After all, I’m a PvP god. There could be ten times as many and I’d still win. None can match my skill at the game. The only way I could possibly lose is if those horses are overpowered.” 
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Pay to win 
I think you are the only one who claims to be a pvper
Who are not anti-horses/tigers.
I didn’t anyone else besides you and pvers.
There were even reasonable pvers pointing out things and trying to understand what’s happening.
It seems only a few players really care for the quality of gamers and gameplay. No one even speaks about a real attribute rework. Items being more powerfull is not even spoken about.
I am reading the comments and waiting for a single pvper speak about item/attribute no-balance ; not only mounts or tigers.
I have read comments such as they payed for the game…? We all payed to play Conan exiles and its all expansion packs. The game isnt free at all ?
It is a mystery why doesnt even anyone asks for bringing combat ability through skills to a better place, instead of autogranted item power.
It seems the pvpers at this game are actually petty Craftsman who do not wish to give away their shiny powerfull toys.
Have a nice time.
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Oh yes, the attributes and perks. That would be a topic for another thread. And slow down a bit 
Funcom needs 6 months to balance horses and another 6 months to balance cat pets. Then we might be able to get their attention towards the attributes and perks 
But just tell me if you want to know my 2 cents about the current attribute/perk system.
This isn’t the first thread on this topic Kholdenn. There have been a plethora of other threads on this topic for months now and there indeed has been many other PvPers that disagree with the anti-horse crowd. Many are just tired of beating that dead horse as well as the ongoing toxic attitude of the anti-horse crowd…
This isn’t going to ever be a pure skill based game and turned into a melee FPS where one person can take on multiple people with less skill. Now you can disagree with that all you want. You can come to this forum and rant and rave about it. But what you want from this game, a pure skill based game, will never happen with their current direction for the game. And I totally agree with Funcom’s current direction for the game. It is a good faith attempt to balance the interests of players of ALL types.
You need to watch this developer live stream where one of the lead designers speaks to some of this.
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No one spoke about no weapon and no armor; bare naked fist fighting.
The balance should really be revisited. It only caters no-skill, no brain attiude and griefing. Its very hard to make more pvpers who are at pvp server to really pvp.
Where did you pull that ‘You want a pure skill game’ ? Who said that ? There will be crafting but right now items are overpowered compared to attributes. Do you not agree ?
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Honestly, practically ALL the PVP players I have contact with, including enemies, agree that both horses and tigers are overpowered. For example the private server of Fly Hacks (maybe the most famous conan youtuber pvper) does not allow the use of horses or tigers.
It’s in the rules of his server along with: no hacking, no storm duping,no undermeshing,no scripts,no lag switch and no blocking valuable resources.
Hahahahahaha.
But, you are the guardian of the truth.
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I’m not commenting either way on the horse/tiger issue for PVP, because it’s not a game mode I play. However:
Yes. Simple answer. Yes, the continuous nerfing of pets across the board has made the majority of them absolute trash in PVE - not so much their damage output as the reductions they have taken to HP and armour, which leave them incredibly fragile. If pets, even after a couple of hours levelling are unable to survive fighting a t1 human for a couple of seconds (literally the time it took me to cut down two others), then they become completely worthless for the PVE player - they become literal ‘pets’ that can never leave the base or do anything - decoration and nothing more.
I’m not saying there doesn’t need to be a change to fix the issues for PVP (I don’t have an opinion on that) - I’m saying that any change made needs to actually take account of other game modes as well.
That said - I have a question for PVPers (because I genuinely don’t know the answer) - if the problem is horse+tiger - do the same problems exist if it is just horse, or just tiger? (Would horse+hyena be the same problem? - cripple is not as strong as sunder, but I’d imagine it’d be bad against a fast maneuverable horse). Is the problem specific to horse+tiger, or is the actual problem horse+follower? Would PVP having a setting to say you can only have horse OR follower make a difference? (It couldn’t be applied across all modes - afaik the reason horses were changed to allow followers was because in PVE they’re pretty pointless if you can’t have a follower - but if the option could be applied separately, would it help?)
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if you had to choose between a horse or a follower, it should help to balance, for sure.
Btw… tiger does sunder too with his claw attack irc.
People should decide to go on foot + tiger, on foot + thrall or on horse…
A player on foot with a tiger following is big deal even against someone with a horse (but without a tiger).
And well equiped thralls kills pets easily, as you said.
So it’s like rock, stone, scissors
but it will be practically impossible for them to reverse it, even if it were only for pvp.
I would say that while horse + tiger has 100% power, other alpha pets like Hyena, Bear, wolf would have around 60 ~ 70% it’s strong too, but not as strong.
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