Notes are great for RP but I totally get the trolling potential and concern. So I’d propose something like this:
A message board. It could be something as simple as the large sign currently in game. Only, this one would have an inventory that any player could put a note in. And any member of the clan that owns the sign could delete the note. To help cut down on trolling all notes should automatically identify the player that left it. That way if there’s actual abuse it can be traced to the player and dealt with. This also eliminates the trolling possibility of “hiding” notes on other clans’ landclaims. If you don’t WANT to get notes, just don’t put up a bulletin board. But if you do there’s really almost limitless potential. They can be used for OOC communication to arrange events between clans as well as a great IC device for communication among players and clans. If FC wanted to be awesome they could even make 2 kinds of bulletin boards, one for clans that any member of the clan can use/access and one for individual players that only the player who owns it can see.
The RP Mod offers raven cages that function as mailboxes, complete with the raven cawing when you have mail. LOL It’s a great addition for those who use mods but a bulletin board offered by FC for base game is still very desirable and I hope they will expand their Notes system to include it.
Or using the notes themselves to spell out all manner of hate & abuse that doesn’t require interacting with the note to read. Hell, people do this sort of stuff in RealLife™ with post-it notes on people’s cars, offices, etc.
While I would like to be able to leave notes for friends, it’s just as easy to message them thru Steam or ping them in global chat and rendezvous elsewhere. The only case where I can see myself needing them (outside of RP purposes) is for someone who is never online at the same time. Yet in that case, they’re most likely a refresher so who knows if they’d even see it. IMO an in-game mailbox (like in MMOs) would be more beneficial, but we could use the act of placing the note to send the email.
Something you’d have to craft and place.
Something you’d have to make the walk to in order to put a note in. Like, actually making the delivery yourself.
thats still not the point of my posts. it’s a nice feature and sure I will rarely use it but why should it not be added? my point: it’s NOT an easy feature to implement and in comparison with the mounts it’s way less of a use compared to the effort you have to spend (because a exploitable way of implementation is not an oprion).
and thats exactly the little tweaks it needs which makes it not a 5 minute task to implement
and add additional code to prevent the pippi sceanrio
You don’t think it’s worth the time and effort, we do. We get it. None of us feel that way (except for like 1 or 2 other people in the thread. I want to make sure I point this out before you quote and correct me on that), that’s why we’re supporting the idea, but we understand where you’re coming from.
You keep saying I don’t get what your point is, I do get it, I just don’t feel the same way. You’re not going to change my mind here, I already know everything you’re pointing out, but I still support this idea.
I’m posting in a thread about a suggestion I support, you’re posting in a thread in a suggestion you don’t support.
Pretty simple.
PS - I love your mod, Testerle, Fashionist is an important mod to the roleplay community. Thank you for making it.
yes but no. I only did not support the ‘it’s an easy change’ comments because it’s not easy if you make it right (not exploitable and troll supporting). I did not have any problem with the feature by itself but it’s definitve not an easy change.
removing landclaim: more a task of minutes than hours
allow removing of the notes/scrolls: also more in the minutes than in the hours (ignore ownership is already possible)
prevent trolling/griefing: now the time sink kicks in. e.g. floating thralls when buildings decay. how long did we have this issue? month? years? this is a good example how a trivial problem can make a ton of headache and is not fixed after months. now add floating notes/scrolls to the list of floating stuff we already have. the simple idea, remove landclaim from notes/scrolls, adds a ton of additional work if you want to add it right. modders life is way easier in such cases. what we modders did not implement to prevent abuse can be covered with server rules and an active admin team. both are none existend on officials servers which makes this feature in my opinion not easy to implement because we need all three points from above and not only the first two.
I think that Alexandria’s suggestion about the bulletin board might be the right path, even the mailbox idea could work too. Keeping the notes restricted to a very specific area, or item, could be a happy medium. I’m not saying it’s an easy solution, but I think something could be built off as a concept without creating a littering of notes all over structures.
If you don’t want to receive notes, you just don’t craft and place a bulletin board or mailbox.
I understand that you have experience working with the dev kit, but I’m still pretty confident that Funcom could find a solution that maybe even you’re not able to see either.
The two types of in game notes that come to mind are the obvious place-able that is being discussed, to put a note on something, and an inventory note.
The place-able option has to take into consideration the land claim issue and griefing issue that would come from them. I won’t even pretend to know the back end to make this work, but if it could work I know many would love it.
Having an inventory note that can be written and kept as an inventory item that can then be read may be another solution. Thus a mailbox of sorts would work.
Regardless of what kind of note would be made should one be made, the community would be ecstatic (minus the possible griefing should that happen.).
Couldn’t they just limit the amount of notes each player can place at a given time? E.g. a total of 10 notes can be placed at any given time. If you place the 11th, the first one gets destroyed.
I think there are a lot of possibilities on approaching this, the bulletin board/mailbox, something like what you’re suggesting, or an option to turn the land claim off on notes in general, allowing the more controlled WL servers to place trust in their communities.
A lot of the servers that would use this are using mod notes that could be abused in the ways that have been brought up, people just aren’t complete trolls on those servers, and if they are, they catch a ban.
Ideally, the solution would be something that would warrant some use in the public servers too.
I’m going to pine in here because you seem to be missing the point. The vanilla notes are incomplete. It’s why they are essentially not used on the servers. Raid Notes was the thing we could use. It replaced pippi and it replaced the vanilla notes. Raid Notes is now broken and is not being used because the guy hasn’t fixed it.
It really is very simple to understand the point of this approach and reason for this topic being brought up. Instead of trashing the idea how about adding to it’s potential of what could be added to make this idea even more beneficial.
IE: Removing the land claim lock on the notes. Making it able to be removed by anyone or destroyed by anyone. We want that feature removed that causes the land claims lock. We want to be able to leave a note anywhere without it causing a landclaim issue. That is the bottom line.
If people leave stickers on the dang build to be douches . then ban them for being idiots. Simple.
We want logical play and we want to have more immersion in our rp settings. It doesn’t get more simpler than that.
NO I got your point. your point is you constantly stay its too hard and difficult to do and is not an easy thing. My point is to be more positive and support the idea by talking about how it can be done. Sense you seem to know how things work why not be supportive of the cause and work towards a way to make it happen. hell if the raid notes guy would fix his mod it would probably be used again.
read again and maybe you get my point. plus my detailed description where I see the problems and why it is not a no brainer or 5 minute task:
btw. a mod is not what is requested here. a base game solution is requested. mods are fine for private servers on pc but not for officials and console players so a mod is only the second best solution
Maybe try a different approach. I did get why you said it’s not an easy task and explaining why it’s not an easy task.
But what you don’t go into is what can be done to make it work. All your giving is negativity. You are not providing solutions, and ideas to possibly how it would work.
That’s how your statements come off.
How about this. What would you do to make this work?
