In melee heavy games my BS can use t6 and get like 43% armor, and even if there is a magic user in a game, I can just focus him and that threat is out of the way and I can nearly run around like a tank vs. melees on 54% armor with forest up - so please remember context.
OFC in a premade context it might be true t6 isn’t better, but the burst you do with the dots/bomb/DW is ridiculous while retaining very good defense (the armor penalty is laughable). But generally the ability to instagibbing people might be way better than having more longevity in fights, so I don’t think you can conclude that easily (to @Delred@Sinix)
And don’t pretend like CDs like dull pain is irrelevant - LOL
anyways I don’t think anyone ever would complain if they put real pvp penalties on a lot of the OP stuff that is going around these days.
Yet I still remember when you were using T6 chest + legs and as soon as you had a not stompy game on your side, switched to the PvP armour
Again saying T6 armour is OP because the people you play against might as well smash their face into the keyboard and it would produce equivalent results doesn’t seem like a good argument.
And also with that idea we might as well also nerf t3.5 BS armour because at least the big pieces are better than pvp10 in pure armour situations.
don’t think that was about stompy or not, just composition, but Im not talking about 2x pieces t6 just for some constitution, Im talking about times when you can use full t6 to armorstack when enemies has very few magic users - which you can get around with protbuff / silence / rog
sin is same thing to a much greater extent, you just run in and out with LO proc and make the oneshot. Im not condoning the playstyle entirely, but sin can be an in and out class with good CDs making the low defense of t6 not as punishing.
anyways I don’t see the point about this thread - t6 wasn’t meant to be used in PvP I think, it was just an overlook from the guys who put those minus stats?
EDIT: nice troll about t3.5… the con values on that set @Sinix
don’t think people are saying t6 is ultimately OP. it has its downsides.
but the gear is surely abusable, and you’re trying to justify its existence and use just because it isn’t as OP in non-pugs or vs. more decent players.
but like 95% of the PvP that is done is in pugs, so… kinda have to relate to that aswell.
T6 and honestly all gear/aa advantages in this game are the reason the population died. No new player enjoys getting one shotted whilst hitting like a wet noodle. Gear imbalance has no place in competition.
Adding another layer of gear will just worsen the situation.
What I still don’t get is that people are complaining about “single target burst class” doing… exactly what the class is supposed to do, meanwhile shaman can 1-2 shot any clothie to medium armor with just spirit + bleed + add any 1 step combo here, and somehow the sin dmg is absurd?
Only difference is that, sin does not bring insane group buffs and support
guard or conq one shots a sin thats fine,
barb doing 7k decaps and 3k atg and that is fine, but dear god when sin does dmg with bomb + dww
Truth is, even if t6 would be as op as people make it to be for classes like sin, it would just make it somewhat more balanced, healers and tanks have been ridiculously over powered since dawn of times in this game, you might not get some cheesy kills on them, still dosent mean your dps would be any lower, because it is not
Not only healers do same if not more dps than actual dps:ers, u gotta add their team value, cc’s + heals on it
it’s just that sin can actually use the gear and get away with it more easily unlike most others (there are a few other exceptions), but that warrants the hate imo
about what class is more powerful. can do that talk another time - I think there will be a class tier discussion after fury tournament is over.
In class tiers need to take account full potentials I imagine, since hoxes not able to use t5 runes they fall few tiers just from that
Sure, sin and demo get away easiest with the gear, but the gear in general is still worse than t3 pvp.
Sure it has more dmg and makes it a bit cheesier with some wonky lucky crits.
i accept the fact that hoxes can push their dmg by a lot with a t5 rune. but at the same time it raised the threat level of that class by a great deal and therefore survival chances dropped accordingly. before its release, hoxes were mostly ignored by enemies because the only annoying thing was their insta-interrupt on hfb. dmg was quite weak and our performance just shined because you were able to walk through groups without even being noticed. dmging a whole group with tongue of xotli: no problem - try that today, you’ll be dead before the cast runs halfway through.
ofc my impressions are mostly based on pug minis.
Delred will always defend the use of t6 in pvp even though its been proven that there is a massive difference between that and the same sin who shall not be named coughdelred fighting in pvp gear.
T6 is OP in pvp. Nerf it with more negative pvp stats.
Of course asking for anything in this game is worthless so why do you all bother? Mussagana left Funcom and he was the only he pushing for change. Now all we have is
andy B and he doesnt give a sh*t.
T3 crafted blunt is another pve item that is too powerfull in pvp. I was dueling korand last week with my bs. I died in every duel. Then I asked him to use his pvp t3 weapon, as I was using. After this he couldn’t kill me anymore before the arena timer kicked us out and I even won a duel.
The difference is just too much visible in bs vs bs. It’s even more apparent against magic damage because of the high protection you get from it, stacked with rf rings its God mode.
It cannot be proved by people who do not have the gear,
I have full t6 set on my bs, dt, conq, sin, necro, ranger. On how many of those toons u see me using the gear?
Didn’t pvp:ers just recently whined that they wanted have different types of sets for pvp?
well t6 works as one then I guess, more dps but squishier
it was proven by Fass on old forums when the gear was introduced. 875 spell penetration is around a 12% pure damage increase in the majority of cases (it’s a bit less if the target has very high protection values, but in most of the cases this threshold isn’t reached in pvp)
the damage minus-stats just counteracts what you’ve gain in normal stats from the gear itself, but does not counteract this 12% pure damage increase.
12% is a big deal, and when you crit - even bigger deal.
for melee’s the gear (1250 armor penetration) does not yield a similar result, only around a 5% increase.
also there are a few other stats to consider, like a pretty significant crit damage boost aswell (don’t remember the exact change in % from PvP gear, but atleast a couple % I think)
RF Rings
Exile Rune
T5 HoX Rune
Shillelagh
Store Pots
I don’t care honestly about T6 Gear.
Can grant you a lot of kills in easy minigames, but in competitive minigames is not that usable imo.
A minor nerf on PvP stats on T6 (maluses) could be ok anyway, but I can live with it as it is now if that doesn’t happen
Store pots users are a bigger threat than players wielding shillelagh. I’ve got it on 2 toons and I admit it is overpowered in some scenarios but nothing triggers me like FC store pots on DT’s or any other high burst class.
To those that underestimate RF rings, think about this: what is the armor penetration bonus on T6 Gear that grants Sin those crazy hits? 1.000 Armor Penet?
RF rings give similar amount of extra armour… plus other stats
Btw, HoX without t5 rune is gimp. Moreover with RF rings it become really weak class. But i agree, no t5 rune, no RF rings and it will make this class more balanced. Cos it’s really stupid when this Crom’s guys spam 1 combo and are 1st by kills
