Battle Pass Killed The Game

Personally, I’m finding myself actually enjoying the addition of the Battlepass. Now, do I agree with how it’s limited time? No.
Do I think we get PLENTY of time to complete a season? (3 ENTIRE MONTHS) Yes.
Do I like that a lot of the stuff on them are locked behind the premium pass? No, but I’m fairly certain ‘Premium Versus Non-Paid’ is a fairly normal thing as far as BPs go.
Do I think unlocking the Premium pass could stand to be at least a little cheaper? Yes, but it’s not that much in the grand scheme of things, and it could be worse.

It gives me goals to work towards without being tedious, and it’s reasonably easy to complete, even without Admin Panel shenanigans.
And the rewards are actually fun and cool for me— although I am a huge nerd for generally anything magic-related in games, soo… to have two entire BP seasons dedicated almost solely on sorcery goodies? I suck that up like a S P O N G E.

The BP for me at least is easy to complete.
A few minor tweaks could be made, namely to the price of initial entry, and the sparse amount of unlocks available for non-Premium BP users, but otherwise I’m happy with it.

Sure, why not? If the few players who are currently complaining about not wanting to do the BP challenges are happy with that, I have no problem with that either.

I’m not Funcom, though. I have a feeling they might not like the idea as much as you do :wink:

You’re totally right! Why would anyone, for example, call someone else “stupid” because that someone else likes having explicit challenges offered by the game? I’m asking a purely hypothetical question here, of course. Any similarity with a post you wrote and deleted is purely coincidental :crazy_face:

Goodness gracious, who says I’m right about everything? Just because someone wrote a nonsensical claim about server performance and I told them they were wrong, doesn’t mean I’m claiming I’m always right. Again, any similarity to a post you wrote and then deleted is purely coincidental.

But I’m sure that twisting “19 out of 20 posts about server performance are nonsense” into “I’m the 1 in 20 that is right about everything” isn’t a childish comment at all.

For the record, I’ve been wrong in performance discussions before, and I’ve had no problem acknowledging it, either.

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that people here have an obligation to educate others. We don’t. When we do it, it’s out of goodwill, not because we have to.

If you really want to know why I don’t always do that, it’s because I used to do it, and I ran into way too many people who don’t give a shіt about whether something is constructive or not, they just want to… how did you put it? Stamp their feet because they want to be right.

It happens way too often that someone says something that’s wrong, then someone like me or Multigun or Xevyr chimes in and explains why it’s wrong, and then we get into an endless back-and-forth, often with all sorts of abuse being flung at us. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve been called a fanboy, a white knight, or some other idiotic bit of crap just because I dared to explain that things don’t work the way someone said they did and therefore whatever they’re yelling at Funcom for is not necessarily the way they think it is. These days, if I explain something, I count myself lucky if I only get mocked for writing a “wall of text”. That’s a win in my book.

So yeah, excuse me if I don’t always have the patience to say “oh, hey, I’ve seen that misconception many times before, let’s write another lengthy explanation and see what I’ll get called this time around” :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Thanks for pointing out that my post had been deleted. I guess someone was fighting dirty and that is why i was banned the last couple of days. I guess the admin deleted my post.

You made some good points, i too have been in similar situations in here. It is just frustrating when people, which includes you resort to saying that someone else is whining when they are just trying to offer alternative solutions to a problem.

So apologies in both instances, i like you just want to offer help that might improve things for everyone.

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FWIW, I’m sorry I lumped you together with those who are saying that the BP has “killed the game”. I took your post as a request to remove something I’m enjoying in this game to accommodate those who exaggerate the impact of something they personally dislike, and I took it badly. It turns out I was wrong :slight_smile:

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Can’t you just ignore the Battle Pass? I do.

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Then why worry? You have what you have.

So what? You still have the game you paid for, by your own words. You can choose to play with what you have or chose to buy something more.

At least you have the option to buy content from the official source in Conan Exiles. Case in point, when I bought Super Mario Bros. 3 in 1990, I have to retrieve its data with a 3rd party device (which wasn’t available at the time), apply a 3rd party patch (essentially mod), and then reapply it to a 3rd party made cartridge just to have more content. Let me tell you, all that isn’t cheap to do, and Nintendo doesn’t provide support to adding content to NES games. Instead requiring repurchasing the entire game on new platforms (and to my knowledge, they haven’t added new content to that one title so I’m stuck with essentially modding).

If I used your same argument that I’m forced to not ever have updates that contain new content in the way -I- think I should get them. Most people would tell me off or that I’m crazy. Rightfully so.

Would you prefer if we told you that you’re right and the game is now dead and unplayable? How about this. You are 100% correct and you should simply uninstall Conan Exiles and play something else. All the content you have available to you doesn’t matter anymore. You can’t build what you want to anymore unless you spend a few hundred dollars over the next few months. Is that what you want to hear?

Who said we did? I’ve made arguments that we really can’t see more because of map limitations and we have a crapton to begin with on both official maps.

These are balance changes. Of which you also got with 3.0 to tier 2 buildings. That you didn’t have to buy. That’s only one in the last few years as we saw many passes to building in just about every patch.

I don’t. They actually do not function on the servers I play on anyway.

Again this is balance changes, and you’ve gotten one helluva update to the construction system with 3.0 free of charge. Paid for by those who purchase optional content. You may not be willing to pay for BP or BLP stuff, but those who do paid for the free updates you have seen.

You say that you aren’t getting content without buying BP and BLB stuff, but this is False. Continuing to say this will be treated as an outright Lie.

Its my understanding consoles crash and lag more than not, so while there might be people logging in, they aren’t playing the same game I do. So until that’s fixed, I don’t count them. I also only counted servers with 5 or more players as I don’t consider numbers below that actually PVP, just a hand few of people doing PVE with extra steps. In reality I gave you 13 servers, as my actual standard for PVP is greater than 20 and prefer over 50.

I play both PVP and PVE. The PVP servers I play on have populations officials cannot support. Like greater than 40. The reason you don’t know people that don’t play private is because you don’t play private. On just one server’s discord you could see anywhere from 600-1500 active players in the community.

They could just complete it, as you don’t need to buy it to participate. And you still get building stuff.

Good for you. It’s not very compelling for me, either. So what? Saying that the “only way you can get new content” is via BP and BLB is still false.

It would still be false even if everyone in the whole world agreed that the new free content sucks.

Do you read what you reply to before you write your reply? @XninjaPIX had no problem understanding my reply. Maybe it’s because they didn’t jump in the middle of the discussion without reading the whole context and didn’t decide to reply to one small portion they didn’t understand.

Is there a pervasive concern that new content will be limited to encounters/events and BP/Bazaar updates?
That permanent things to do such as dungeons are no longer in the works?

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Now?


Whenever someone brought up the FOMO issue with these two things, the community responded with things like “Its to reward those who bought them when they did.”

Guess what? Battlepass Chapters and limited time Black Lotus Bazaar availability is ALSO rewarding those who buy them when they are available.

Complaining about FOMO now is 5 years too late. Conan Exiles is FOMO at its core.

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I have no idea, when you figure it out… you tell me too.
(if you’re assuming that I in any way like the battle pass or the bazaar… you are barking up the wrong tree as I provided Feedback to Funcom even before they introduced it that I’d rather buy another 12 DLCs all in one than learn the obfuscation rules of another silly item shop… That doesn’t mean though that I’m blind to information and facts…)

As for calling it a childish comment, you misunderstand… I actually agreed with you on that and I did think @CodeMage slightly rushed the “whining” label on that one (which you both seemed to have also concluded since then)… however in that post you were not only whining but flat out called people stupid… I simply found that slightly funny that you would’ve been right about your previous post, but you pretty much jumped the gun and pretty much made CodeMage’s assessment more like a prediction of the future.

While it wasn’t me… I would not call that “fighting dirty”… because - at least in this case - your post was completely inappropriate. You are sort of adding to the statistics of a point I made a while ago… that PvP players tend to bring the same “anti-player” attitude to the forums, though it’s more of a “chicken and an egg” question and it’s also off-topic. In any case just want to clarify that this is a discussion board and not an arena… we don’t come here to fight, but to try and reasonably discuss ideas.

Aaaaa… doh?

Like… that’s literally how “optional” works… those would be nice thing that most people would LIKE… If they introduce them for everyone without question… then that is not optional…
An example would be the attribute system rework with the new perks or the addition of teleportation stones to the game… they were done without people having an OPTION whether they want it or not… (some still don’t like the construction hammer btw… but tough luck since it wasn’t optional…)…

While when you have a CHOICE whether to add it to the game regardless if it’s paid or unpaid… then that’s called “optional”. When you have to also pay for that stuff then it becomes “paid optional”…

Your argument is still only based on your personal emotions that you really WANT those things and you also personally find them TOO EXPENSIVE and thus it’s giving you an uneasy feeling because you can’t mindlessly purchase them… That’s pretty much all you’ve been arguing.

As for your builder example, no that does not make it mandatory either… it’s possible to build stuff from Sandstone… Stonebrick… Insulated Wood… Black Ice… is it not? I have definitely seen buildings made of that… in fact some of them even looked nice.

And no… we do not “NEED” more dungeons… we WANT more dungeons… but if they never get added we can live without them perfectly fine… like we have been up to now…

Hope that clarifies things a bit.

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Not until JUST NOW! :eyes:

Through no fault of my own, my first Battle Pass experience is almost at an end. Without anyone’s help (which has been offered and is voluminous), I will be at 60 tonight. My first 10 levels were done with considerable deliberate effort, the last 50 have been unnoticeable. I’ve learned a lot.

I agree with @Yshtola about it not being optional. Everyone knows how much I love cats, but few know how much my heart lifted when @Pugilist reminded me there are roses. I can’t get them anywhere else. I must complete the BP.

Finally, I have purposefully kept my Tab HUD cluttered with the Notifier emblem on Attributes and Feats, to balance out the Challenges and BP Tabs. Having the Notifier always illuminated is extremely off-putting. My hope is that the Battle Pass and Notifiers can be toggled off, and much less “in your face.”

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So, list the new building structures that we are getting in the base game without required Battle Pass or BLB participation.

Because as I’ve seen it, BLB was getting new Sandstone stuff, the Stormglass stuff, so where’s the free new building sets?

From all I’ve seen, we got some necessary stations associated with sorcery and that’s pretty much it. Only that which was actually necessary or functional, and nothing else because it’s all in the BP or BLB.

That’s why I’m saying it’s not optional. Just like in the next Age, they will give us a few free “functional” items, because otherwise there would be accusations of P2W. And then any other building sets will be BLB, with the cheapest bits they can devise thrown into the BP. (ie, the recolor torches, the wall paints, etc)

Most of the Battle Passes I’m seeing, they offer a free one with some rewards and the paid one offers much more in the way of rewards.

Genshin’s free BP offers the following:

  • 855,000 Character EXP (Adventurer’s Experience & Hero’s Wit)
  • 960,000 Weapon EXP (Mysitc Enhancement Ore)
  • 720,000 Mora
  • 5 Fragile Resin
  • 5 Acquaint Fate (Standard Summons on Gacha)

Vs paying $10 to get this:

  • 3,375,000 Character EXP (Adventurer’s Experience & Hero’s Wit)
  • 3,840,000 Weapon EXP (Mystic Enhancement Ore)
  • 2,880,000 Mora
  • 10 Fragile Resin
  • 5 Acquaint Fate (Standard Summons on Gacha)
  • 4 Intertwined Fate (Limited Summons on Gacha)
  • 9 boxes with skill up material (rare in game, worth a lot of time and resin, especially the lvl 45 and lvl 50 ones that contain 4 star material)
  • 680 Primogems
  • One 4 star Weapon of your choice from the following:

A pretty substantial difference…for $10. There is also a $20 one that gives you +10 levels on top of that, and their battle pass runs up to level 50. So 20% of the BP is completed for that higher cost. (Should also note, those weapons? A few of them are some of the strongest in the game, for the effects they offer. Stronger even than the 5-star ones.)

The biggest difference, that I can see, is that Conan’s Battle Pass is almost entirely locked behind the paywall. Nearly every other one I’ve seen, they have free stuff at every single level. Not a lot of it, but you still get free stuff for it.

You then have the option of the paid battle pass, which unlocks even more content.

In realistic terms, the stuff we get in the BP now seems mostly like it belongs in a free BP. Since it relies heavily on recolor assets and simple things. And then we should have a 1200 CC version that augments this BP with more rewards at every level.

This video shows off the Naraka BP, which has over 100 levels in it, and all the rewards you can obtain.

But balance changes aren’t necessary. They are a convenience.
The game is playable without the balance changes. You just have to play it in certain ways.

Examples from arguments people like to give.

“Thralls are too powerful. I’m not the hero of the game.”
The game was playable. Thralls were optional to use, so balance was only QoL, it wasn’t necessary to make the game playable. There were options to not use thralls, not give them high tier equipment, not min-max them, etc. But the game was perfectly playable without any balance or changes.

If you want to make the argument that they were in PvP, well the game was still playable. Being unhappy without how the game is playable doesn’t mean it’s not playable.

The same can be said about most other stuff in the same vein. The game is still playable. You don’t like that a weapon is too powerful? Learn how to counter it, or deal with it. So even balance adjustments are usually never more than “optional”, because all they are doing is making QoL changes to convenience players.

But no matter what it is, the game is playable…so even balance adjustments are still optional. The main difference is that more players aren’t happy with how the game is playable, and so stuff like that isn’t deemed optional, because more people are vocal and care about it. And so other stuff is handwaved off as “optional”. Because the mob’s voice carries more weight.

Yep. And seemingly that’s how it’s gonna be from now on. No options at all to get even normal cats in the game, with this just being an extra option for sorcerers? I guess. Tbh, I really hate the look of the hairless cat. :3

But it’s no different than landscaping. They add bushes and trees, not related to sorcery at all except for that one, and it’s gated in Age of Sorcery’s BP, instead of just being part of the base game.

We should have gotten landscaping features free for the base game, and sorcery-related landscaping features as part of the BP and BLB.

So anyone is free to decorate their homes with trees and bushes, and those who want more then get something like trees carved over with symbols or decorated with sorcery-related objects.

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List the new building structures that we got since the 2018 Conan Exiles official release without buying DLCs.

I think I see what @Yshtola is getting at and it’s perspective. For a builder, the Bazaar and BP are needed for new content in building. The age started with some new tables but not a significant amount of decor or building content. You had to use $ to gain access…and it is getting worse. The cathedral set in the bazaar are not just simple reskins but much wanted content including double doors. To a builder, this is no different than putting a new weapon type in the bazaar for a PVPer perspective. Can you get by without it? Of course but to fully open up the options of building, you gotta pay.

Now the question is whether or not this is wrong. There has to be something that draws people to spend money and that means those that don’t will miss out. Sorry but that life…no different than those that were lucky enough to find the game at launch and get some of that year 1 stuff that the rest of us didn’t get. Be happy with what you have. If its not enough, then you aren’t having fun and will leave.

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Again, this is no different than a DLC, and we’ve already had one pointless discussion about how any new pieces for existing sets must be released for free, because “we already paid for it”. :roll_eyes:

The only complaint I could agree with is that maybe they shouldn’t charge for adding those same new pieces to the base-game sets like sandstone. I can see the logic in that.

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I see the perspective and the opinion too, that’s not the issue here.
The issue I see is “calling a cigar something else…”
They essentially feel like they WANT those new pieces because they would like to use them in their buildings… however they feel like the prices are too steep for them to just buy everything without question like they’ve been used to doing with DLCs…

It’s a completely personal opinion… and as such it’s valid and has merit - I even agree with it - however that does not require changing the meaning of words and arguing that “optional” actually includes forced balance changes added by Funcom, but it doesn’t magically include content that you can selectively CHOOSE to add for money… :man_shrugging:

So imo. what they should have said instead of several pages of trying to prove an incorrect meaning of the word “optional” is something along the lines of:

“I dislike that the new building pieces are only available through the battle pass / bazaar and their bazaar prices are proportionally way higher than they were in the DLCs”

And with this sentiment btw I 100% agree, which is why I haven’t bought a single thing from the Bazaar (further proving that it’s optional… else I would have them if they weren’t optional no? I couldn’t opt out of having a bazaar in the first place… that wasn’t optional for example…)

That’s all.

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Not to pick for the tiniest of nit…
But the Genshin Premiumiest Battle Pass also comes with a furniture blueprint for the Teapot and a name card unique to that BP.

Otherwise, generally agreed that the BP and it reward structure could use some more fine tuning.

This one mostly laments (other than they hate battle passes, ad nauseam) that it isn’t a unified theme and instead has random things thrown in.
Age of Sorcery seasonal limited rewards should, well, all be sorcery themed.
Rose bushes and Gurnathkani gear belong in the Bazaar. The Rose with the Hedge Maze and Herbs as part of a garden set. The tree of dead heads is fine, as would a rose bush with lashing thorns and petals that dripped blood.
Perhaps in a future Chapter, the Age of Shrubberies (ok, that is a jest, but the Age of Civilization, Ancient and Wicked might work) more gardening themed items would be good for the season limited pass.

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What are you rattling on about? There have been no new building pieces added to the base game for free, period. You have sandstone, T2, reinforced stone and black ice. That was available on release and that’s what comes with the game unless you PAY for the DLC.

Thank you for putting in words what has been bothering me about the Chapter 2 BP rewards. I wasn’t quite sure why I liked Chapter 1 more than Chapter 2, and you helped me realize what it was.

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This one adores the cedar trees and the rose bush.
Arguably it would require magic to get them to grow so well and quickly… But we all know Hyborian Sorcery doesn’t make happy little trees anymore than it makes fireballs from the eyes, and bolts of lightning from the arse.

This one hopes that in the next Chapter there is tighter correlation between theme and battle pass with anything that doesn’t fit either being generously bequeathed (such as the alchemy and blacksmithing decoratives, and mad prophet costume line) or parcelled into the Bazaar.

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