The new rules have helped clarify the problems I had with my own style. It really comes down to intent, and I don’t think anyone would report me for using what I thought was a neat way of unsnapping while building. This will change the way we do things going forward, one hopes.
Ultimately, it requires activism, or people taking the time to document and report. Objectively, dispassionately, just as you’ve done here. I think you all have made real change on these forums, and being a member of such an amazing community is one of the best gifts of all. Thank you!
Wait for time someone is d you - play on pvp server, kill someone then with revenge get reported for landclaim spam, get banned… All You did is big wall around your base. That’s example what could and i bet will happen many times as there’s no clear rules.
Yeah I’ve been exploded into chowder and hunted to the ends of the server, but I’ve never once felt like walling the place off. Maybe it’s subjective: I built a fringe around my clan’s mountain in anti-climb. It could be construed as excessive.
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This is Chain Fire, the Reverse Mullet of the desert:
Grey areas are perfect in this situation. It allows Funcom to protect their player base from trolls. If you are old enough to log in and play Conan Exiles, but still need to have someone tell you “exactly” what the rules are for (being nice) then you might be exactly the type of player Funcom is trying to guard against.
Essentially, if you are a professional, classless, scumbag Funcom is now stating they are going to ban you and your clan mercilessly. So… just go pound sand like everyone else does, build a castle, do it with a smile on your face and everything should be fine.
But if you are gonna 95% wall someone in, build a monolith that swallows mountain chains, or curse the skin colors of strangers… perhaps you should be concerned.
Most of us enjoy this game without turning the servers into battle-chat-online. I can honestly say, most servers I have played on are 95% reasonable players… with a small population of goons that always tend to do the same stuff. (Offend the local population a dozen different ways, get flak for it, then proceed to spend months walling people in and/or cursing them out/terrorizing folks.) They drive away players and kill the servers population. This is why we end up with so many dead servers.
I am glad for this open ended promise to ham fist nimrods into dust. These guys have been wrecking an otherwise nice game for lack of moderation. This will be good, even if we have to adjust our play styles a little.
There’s many more people that may be younger and there’s also many many people that will do anything to win or grief someone and they can break grey area rules or report someone who they got killed by. On another note i want to know what i can do and not. THE PVP servers you should use all tools game provide to survive, be safe, have an advantage (not including cheating / exploiting of course) and by that means you could big bigger to have more chances to survive raid but where’s the line i can’t cross it? Im not talking about case of being scumbag that blocks something intentionally. There was many cases when people were building huge base with 10 people clan, not even blocking any resources and yet they got banned.
Most of us enjoy this game without turning the servers into battle-chat-online. I can honestly say, most servers I have played on are 95% reasonable players… with a small population of goons that always tend to do the same stuff. (Offend the local population a dozen different ways, get flak for it, then proceed to spend months walling people in and/or cursing them out/terrorizing folks.) They drive away players and kill the servers population. This is why we end up with so many dead servers.
Then you probably didn’t played official servers, there’s always someone unreasonable in populated official servers, it’s just matter of time.
I am glad for this open ended promise to ham fist nimrods into dust. These guys have been wrecking an otherwise nice game for lack of moderation. This will be good, even if we have to adjust our play styles a little.
I think the same but we need more strict rules and atleast mention stacking so there will be no more revenge reporting someone just cause you got killed and it happens a lot now.
There’s always a grey area. That’s like half of the reason why courts and lawyers exist in the first place. The other half is that the continued efforts to eliminate that grey area result in a language so abstruse that you need to study it for years in order to understand it
No, the reason that courts and lawyers exist is not grey area, it exist to make sure law is enforced and no one is judged fair. What world you are living it? Grey are is there sometimes when politics make laws with holes but they fix it when someone discovers hole in it or atleast they should.
But seriously, go ahead and give me the precise definition of “reckless driving”, expressed in a way that doesn’t leave any room for interpretation and doesn’t depend on anyone’s discretion.
Like i said before, in my country there’s no reckless driving thing, all laws are clear.
The difference between Funcom’s rules and actual laws is that this is a videogame hosted by a private company, which means there are no courts and lawyers. And that, in turn, bothers a specific group of people who seem to expect the equivalent of the legislative and judiciary branch in a service that a private company offers for free.
Its irrelevant, wee don’t need lawyers and courts, funcom is the judge and lawyer but in this case they have ALL DATA and knowledge they need to make right decision the problem comes to law that is not specified.
I’ve been saying it since before they published any rules and I’ll keep saying it until it’s not necessary anymore: if you want high-quality server moderation executed in a timely manner, then pay for it. Right now, the only option is to rent a private server. If you want it on official servers, let’s switch to subscription model and see how well it goes down.
Running server is NEVER about the cost, it’s about time, dedication to put to server, maintain it and hardest is to have and keep playerbase expecially with such low playerbase game - this all requires a lot time which i dont have.
I can only speak to US law making, but I would go even further and claim the grey area is the main reason for courts and lawyers. Judges/Courts issue rulings/opinions based on their interpretation of the law and facts of a case. These are then upheld or over turned by equal or higher standing courts. These opinions, while used as a basis to enforce the law, are not static like the law and will change overtime. If legislators don’t like the application of these opinions they can push for laws that offer a desired outcome in these relevant circumstances. It is very much a battle of grey area and claiming territory for either the proverbial black or white side.
Furthermore, it is often the case that a court is not even trying to apply ruling to a grey area of the law, but rather to establish the facts of a case such that an established law can be applied. In this instance the facts of the case are the grey area where each legal side is vying to claim ground for their “black or white side”.
Once upon of time, a farmer had 2 baskets full of cherries for sale. So he loaded the baskets on his donkey to go to the market and sell them. At the time he started his journey his son begged him to go with him, the wife move the head positive with a smile, so the father laughed and load him on the donkey.
On the way a pasanger stopped them and said…
You my young man look strong but your father looks tired. It would be best if your father ride on the donkey to rest a bit…
Well the pasanger was right so the boy went down and the father hop on the donkey.
In the way another pasanger find them and stopped them. The pasanger look the donkey very well and he said…
This donkey is a special race. This donkey can carry 3 persons for miles, you can put your son too on the donkey without any problem…
He was right, so the father lift his son and place him on the donkey too.
And (guess what) another pasanger stopped them. He looked at the donkey and said. This animal is old, if you go until the market this way, the animal won’t be able to return home. The father jumped down at once and looked at his loyal donkey. He understood that the pasanger was right, so he order his son to come down at once and help him carry the baskets, so the animal could be relieved.
Everyone was right, everyone. You cannot blame anyone because everyone see things from his side and his knowledge point. What we must do? Whatever seems right for the time that has to be done and everything will be all right
Why do you think the money even exists? When you pay for something, you’re not only paying for the cost of whatever was used to produce it, you’re also paying for the time and effort of those who made it.
That’s precisely my point in that paragraph: if you don’t think that the time and effort Funcom puts into official server moderation is worth the money you pay for those official servers (i.e. zero dollars), then either rent your own private server or go to someone else’s.
As for all the other stuff, I won’t go into that. I’m tired of arguing with people who are either incapable or unwilling to understand that many rules, even real life laws, have aspects that depend on interpretation and judgment.
Right now, there’s a lot of noise being raised by people about the revised rules, as if those rules were actually new, as if Funcom hasn’t been focusing on banning cheaters and griefers since they first published the rules. What will actually happen remains to be seen, but I am extremely skeptical of all this FUD. The more I think about it, the more I tend to agree with people like @Ulyssi, @OctaviousWrex and @h3rb1, who keep pointing out that this is most likely just a new way for Funcom to express the same old intent.
The new rules are actually more specific and clear than the old ones. For one thing, explicitly referencing “loss of performance on both client and server-side” makes Funcom’s intent much clearer. For another, it’s now clear that they will destroy the building. Before these changes, it wasn’t clear, and a lot of us assumed they relied on the decay to get rid of them after a ban. Speaking of which, there’s no more uncertainty about ban duration. You get 14 days on first offense and a permaban for a repeat offense, except if you used hacks or exploits, which will get you permabanned right off the bat.
Are these rules ideal? No, I’ve said elsewhere, repeatedly, that we don’t have good tools to reason about the impact of our builds on the server performance. I still think that no amount of added verbiage in the rules will solve that problem – we need tools.
Ultimately, it doesn’t matter. Maybe they’ll give us those tools and everyone will be happier. Maybe they won’t, but they’ll mostly ban only cheaters and griefers, and that’s okay too. Maybe they’ll implement an upkeep system or building limits – and wouldn’t that be an ironic outcome for all of those complaining about the rules now?
Or maybe it will all suck and people will either move to private servers or quit the game. After all, I’ve heard so many times that this game is dying, maybe this time it’ll be true
A few things that were “lost” with the rules update.
The “circumventing a ban” section, now it’s clear that they will take action against the game licences. (For those that don’t know, “buying a game” is just purchasing permission to play). No longer will a person be able to use single player or have access to private servers.
The “Legacy bans and appeals” section. Well, now when they kick you out, you are gone!
I believe that this will streamline their process, and we will be seeing the faster responses that most have been asking for.
As for all the other stuff, I won’t go into that. I’m tired of arguing with people who are either incapable or unwilling to understand that many rules, even real life laws, have aspects that depend on interpretation and judgment.
What??? You are the one arguing like little child with empty arguments.
Right now, there’s a lot of noise being raised by people about the revised rules, as if those rules were actually new , as if Funcom hasn’t been focusing on banning cheaters and griefers since they first published the rules. What will actually happen remains to be seen, but I am extremely skeptical of all this FUD. The more I think about it, the more I tend to agree with people like @Ulyssi, @OctaviousWrex and @h3rb1, who keep pointing out that this is most likely just a new way for Funcom to express the same old intent.
No. The noise is raised by people coz the revision is basicly nothing, people still dont know what’s legit and what not. Like i said before go to your safe pve server, there you don’t need specific rules, pvp servers need it.
Wow, there’s your army of YES MEN liking your post and arguing with childish or just empty arguments.
The only childish behavior here is coming from you. You are attempting to gate keep opinions through a fallacious argument from authority AND have now dismissed dissenting opinions as the work of a secret nefarious collective. How very insipid of you.
My grandmother used to advise me that whenever you are invited to a fight go away from it, but whenever you you are invited to a table to eat never say no . However I would like to stop for a second risking my self getting a punch or two because I evolved to it, sorry grandma, your grandchild didn’t took the advice here. I believe that @Barnes didn’t start this thread for pve VS pvp battle. I believe that he started this post for us to have some fun by talking to each other here. Right now I feel that this is going to be another forum pvp post. If any of you want to stop this fire , please don’t use oil buckets . My dear @Ulyssi I use the respond to you without saying at all that you started or helping the fire to grow, it is just safer for me since I evolved to thus fight to stay next to you and accept less beating .
Peace guys, try not to hit me hard please, thank you.
I have unsolved it. Both @Ulyssi and @Mefistos have strong opinions, and important viewpoints on the subject matter. I have learned a ton from their inputs here and elsewhere. And I’m not the arbiter of this, I’m simply another player with my own input: just because you’re asking about parameters and specifics doesn’t mean you’re trying to game the system.
Seriously, please let’s all stop questioning our motivations here, and understand we come at these problems from different angles.
Here’s an objective example: let’s pretend my clanmate built an enormous phallic “screw you” temple on top of Heliograph Heights, and then built a maypole of horizontal elevators out to every island in the area, all the way to the Boss Croc. Where he could despawn her at will. Sometimes we “inherit” these things, or we cannot control them because there previously were no ramifications. In this grey area transition, calling for more clarity is natural and should be sustained without prejudice.
Call me simplistic, but I don’t think any of that is against the rules per se.
Is this tower built in a way that bogs down the server performance? Is the boss croc actually despawned? Those are the only real problems I could think of.
The elevators are not spam, they have an actual function other than to “prevent other players’ access to resources and building spots”.
I might personally see something like that and hate it, just like I hate seeing highways stretching all across the Exiled Lands or a massive sandstone bridge that spans the desert area between the highlands and the cliffs north of the Scoundrel’s Gateway. Stuff like that is, in my personal opinion, an eyesore and shouldn’t be built. But it’s not against the rules and I would never even think of reporting someone for that.
When I want to join a PVE(-C) server, I create a character and scout it out. If I don’t like the buildings on it, I don’t play on it. The rules are there to protect the community from toxic crap, not to make everyone live in peace and harmony.
The example was intentionally vague because I thought a PvE player would see it entirely differently from a PvP player. When I see connected horizontal elevators, I think entire walled-off islands with menageries of “unfit thralls.” Or an island of misfit pets, like that one greater panther who won’t move out of doorways. You have connected my image with a benign ending, whereas I’ve actually seen it. And it was ugly. Happily, not my clanmate or friend.
The way you described it sounded benign. Add those menageries into the mix and it could be something that tanks the server performance – or not, that’s one of those things that depend on how they’re done.
Then there’s the thing with walled off islands. Again, depends on how big the island is. If it’s one of those tiny things, just building a tower on it will exert a land claim that has pretty much the same effect as walling it off. So if you build a tower on it and you wall it off, it’s not like you’re doing anything special.
If it’s one of those bigger islands, then yeah, you’re blocking it off.
Again, the devil’s in the details, which is why we’re all so polarized around the specificity of rules.
