This is the closest topic resembling the one that was closed, so I guess I’ll post here.
We were talking about thralls and their HP there as well in a similar fashion.
Basically despite the initial complaints, imo the final takeaway was that thralls are still pretty overpowered, the nerf wasn’t really a big thing for them and you can optimize them further with an Authority build, proper food and the adequate weapons.
For example I have a video there with a Cimmerian Berserker soloing the bridge event, with all the NPCs, the 2 demons, the Blood-Moon beast and all the worms it summons without any sort of help from the player. He was using normal non-epic heavy armor and a stack of gruel along with a regular star metal mace.
The topic then shifted to the other event at Scavenger’s Berth where the OP of that topic lost a couple of thralls and several people pointing out that said event can go horribly wrong simply because of RNG as enemies can spawn on you and it’s very easy to pull more enemies than you can safely handle coupled with their shockwave ability.
I went there myself with a RHTS still in non-epic armor (a mere armor value of 777) and zero points in Authority - essentially my agility / farming build. Given our discussions with @Jimbo about food though, I wanted to try something fancy so I gave my thrall Cooked Pork Rinds instead of the usual regular Gruel.
Why? Because me never bothering with anything other than Gruel, made the mistake of going to the wrong wiki page, where said Pork was listed as a high hp/s food, when in reality that page is for PLAYERS only and thralls have a different page where Pork is listed as 1 hp/s so… it’s literally the worst food for thralls and even Gruel is at 6 hp/s - which coincidentally means that my thrall would’ve had 2250 more effective HP during this fight just from using Gruel and even with that poor setup, that change alone could’ve given us a way better chance of survival.
It took me hours before I could trigger the event but when I did, despite being totally clueless of the event mechanics (never played Siptah so far and this was the first time I saw this event) it was going fairly smoothly at the start, despite the thrall slowly losing hp and not healing back properly. - we were winning.
However I then made a massive pull of 5 Migos plus a demon, with an additional one spawning behind us… and soon after those surrounded us the Boss spawned on us too. - I died from being ambushed by the boss shockwave then ran back from my bedroll, but shortly after both the thrall and me died horrible deaths. (and while I could’ve kept that to myself, I felt like it could be informative so I still posted the video - it’s a sad video)
My conclusion of this whole ordeal was that thralls are sill NOT weak… not even close to weak… it’s just that this particular event is simply different / more difficult in ways than the content we are used to, especially since most EL enemies do not have similar abilities as these, but only basic attacks. So I repeat, despite my thrall dying there, I think he is quite strong. (he can kill pretty much any other boss probably even solo if I let him - I don’t let him fight alone thou )
I also went there with the worst setup… worst food, non-epic armor, zero authority and the thing was still doing great till I had him surrounded by enemies - even then I think I still had the option of trying to call him back and run - I didn’t as I wanted to see what would happen (being the server admin and nobody being online I knew I could just roll back the database, so Anders is alive and well). He also basically tanked like 6 of them plus the boss till I ran back from my bedroll… (video in the other thread if you want to laugh at us )
Anyway, now I made him some epic armor and cooked up some Enhanced Gruel (9 hp/s) and went back to see if I can get the event again. The rest was the same, I didn’t change my build or gear. I was way more cautious at the beginning and fought more poorly after last nights experience since I was a bit anxious about it. However later I pulled the same big group, this time on purpose though to see if we’d fare better.
And we did… much better… So despite me making way more mistakes, just the better food and armor made quite the difference…
@tzaeru My settings regarding combat are the same as officials however I have some UI mods so you will be able to see the exact damage my thrall (on the left) and me (on the right) do…
I think this will also address all the questions regarding archery, as while I was doing melee last night quite successfully with the short-sword, I was using the bow more often today and as you’ll see with a couple of buffs my bow damage exceeds 300… I even use it to kill the final boss as it seemed like he was hitting through my block so I didn’t want to risk dying at that point. So anyway, long story short… here’s take two of Scavenger’s Berth
What we’ve learned from all this is:
Do your research!
- Use proper food
- Use proper armor
- Use Authority if you want to rely on thralls
- Help your thrall as much as you can, if you don’t want to get close to bosses, archery can be a really good option
- Shields are important, carry one (you can see it blocks even all the shockwaves)