Nerf and deep dive

[MarcosC]

Slower, but much less skill involved. We all know that. It just doesn’t do good to your ego.

[MarcosC]

You know what? I was going to explain you why that could never be the case, but I won’t bother. You’re smart. Figure it out.

[dorpie]

“all know that” yes, everyone with no PVP experience seems to know it

[MarcosC]

@dorpie, you and the likes of you are exactly what’s wrong with pvp in this game.

[Tuffman]

You can’t one shot with something that has a three swing build up.

[SirDaveWolf]

Qyper Katana

[dorpie]

Must be a rigged video, since you cant!

[Taemien]

@Xevyr

Oh, I said this quite frequently during the dispute period
That the people wanting to remove it are mainly spear users because it’s the only counter to the spear’s range. People keep talking here about the high skill-cap of the spear… but BS… if you use it “right” and actually attack… and watch your stamina… nothing can get even remotely close to do any damage since the thing hits from a mile away and staggers… Other spear users I guess and that’s where the skill comes in play… exchanging blows with other spears

I don’t usually suggest this sort of thing. But maybe its time for spears to get wrecked. They’re already bugged with having twice the range as their model. Let’s get their damage profiles cut as well.

I’ve been trying to work with this community for a number of years that nerfs don’t need to be happening. Only bugs identified, and fixed and underperforming weapons brought up. But they were too selfish.

So now time for them to get a reckoning is past due. Its time to beat down S tier weapons with the F tier nerf bat. Ruin the game for them.

[MarcosC]

A blow that locks you in a position that can’t be adjusted afterwards, takes ages to fully charge, hits a guy that was running around like a headless chicken and kills him. And that was what made the katana op? of course it did. OP against morons, maybe.

[Tuffman]

One shot would imply a single swing.

3+1=4

And literally the most telegraphed move in the game at that.

[MarcosC]

So, let’s see if I have the record straight.
In the video bellow I will make two dash moves with the katana.
The first, the special move, is the one that you claim could one shot players, right?
That being the case, only a moron gets hit by it (like the zerker in the clip, an AI, dumb as a brick, not a human).
Then, I do 3 attacks and the forth is a heavy. No matter what you use, when the forth is a heavy, it makes that dash, not as dangerous as the first. IF I misunderstood and the forth heavy attack was the one one shoting players, then yeah, because you can lock on target, you can change direction right until you fire the blow etc.
But the katana special move is the first. And you only get hit by it if you are either blind, debufed with a special cripple or don’t have a clue on what you are doing.
So, which is it? The 1st in the video or the 4th ( of the sequence of 4)? If it was the 4th, then yeah, OP. It didn’t need to be so hard, but ok, needed a tweak. If it was the first, excuse me?? If you’re dumb enough to get struck by that blow, you deserve to die of shame, if not anything else.
The clip is very short and shows both.

Katana

[Xevyr]

@SirDaveWolf

Can you fight the tortured king with a spear please?

There you go… and mind you I NEVER used a spear before…
It is long and boring though just like we established, though frankly I did a silly random build and in this situation could’ve probably went heavy corrupted strength since it’s PvE anyway. So you tell me… am I worthy of the mighty skill cap required to wield this stick?

Tortured king torturing me..

@Taemien

I don’t usually suggest this sort of thing. But maybe its time for spears to get wrecked. They’re already bugged with having twice the range as their model. Let’s get their damage profiles cut as well.

I’ve been trying to work with this community for a number of years that nerfs don’t need to be happening. Only bugs identified, and fixed and underperforming weapons brought up. But they were too selfish.

So now time for them to get a reckoning is past due. Its time to beat down S tier weapons with the F tier nerf bat. Ruin the game for them.

I feel slightly similar in a way, I’ve been trying to help anyone whenever I could… and basically the message I said all along was a pretty clear one…
That before we yell “nerf this and that” or PvP players try to come up with “radical” solutions to problems that don’t even exist, but they KNOW it’s going to affect any player that plays, not just the ones in PvP mode… let’s slow down a bit and REASONABLY talk about it… without this “Learn to play” nonsense… That was is…

All I saw was a very one-sided conversation at every step… if you noticed for example I changed MY tune during all these posts and agreed with them that the damage on it indeed was too much (and I know EXACTLY how much… which most of them actually don’t…).
I also provided as much information on the topic as I could so they can make an educated decision on whether it was a bug or not and how it came to be, which most of them conveniently ignored and they’re spreading a different message.

However, despite all that I do not wish to push the issue too much… I mentioned it casually a couple of times that the range is a bit silly on the spear… because it is…, other than that I don’t want to ruin their game or anything like that, I would like to see a bit more variety there as well though, not just auto-lock daggers or spears so in a way they would benefit imo from a bit of a spear nerf…
Damage wise though?.. Nah… as you can see above the thing is pretty low damage compared to a lot of other weapons already.

Idk tired of silly arguments

[Xevyr]

@MarcosC

Then, I do 3 attacks and the forth is a heavy. No matter what you use, when the forth is a heavy, it makes that dash, not as dangerous as the first. IF I misunderstood and the forth heavy attack was the one one shoting players, then yeah, because you can lock on target, you can change direction right until you fire the blow etc.

No no
It’s the FIRST move you do… the one where you hold down block.
HOWEVER if you did it AFTER doing 3 other attacks it had a different attack animation (the post I linked above explains it in detail)
So with the katana the combo counter actually keeps rolling and counts for the special move with the block
Light + Light + Light + Block-hold & hit → is actually a COMBO with the dash counting as a finisher

So it was not only trying to aim this at moving players, but it was trying to aim it after doing 3 other attacks, fast enough so the combo counter doesn’t reset

[MarcosC]

@Xevyr

Damage wise though?.. Nah… as you can see above the thing is pretty low damage compared to a lot of other weapons already.

That’s why nobody uses them on pve. Going against dmg sponges with that shit would be more tedious than anyone could handle.
@Xevyr can you answer my question above on the post with the video?

Edit: thanks, just saw your answer. Then no, the nerf was completely unnecessary. If you are dumb enough to get hit by a blow that is almost preceeded by a phone call warning, you should die.

[Xevyr]

I just did

Here’s the explanation post though, that completely breaks down that move:

Teleport Stone change suggestion

You know what… here, I’ll show you what I mean and then you can make up your own mind The way weapons and attacks in Conan work is they have rules set up as to which attack can follow which attack thus creating a combo and each of those individual attacks have their animations which also control certain aspects of that swing. (Whether it provides hyper armor for example or what kind of special effect / damage it does etc). So here’s the combo rules table for the Katana offhand…

[MarcosC]

@MarcosC

Edit: thanks, just saw your answer. Then no, the nerf was completely unnecessary. You you are dumb enough to get hit by a blow that is almost preceeded by a phone call warning, you should die.

Only saw your answer later.
Yes, I read your brilliant explanation already, but tufman there got me a little confused about which move we were talking about.

[MarcosC]

@Xevyr

So it was not only trying to aim this at moving players, but it was trying to aim it after doing 3 other attacks, fast enough so the combo counter doesn’t reset

Damn, the nerf was even more stupid than I though.

[MarcosC]

@Xevyr just saw the video. That’s how it’s done with a spear without being hit. Nice fight! Kudos for the patience of going through it for educational purposes.

[Xevyr]

I got hit a few times, was trying not to though but it’s a bit dragged out so hard to keep focus

[MarcosC]

Jesus, I would have fallen asleep! You did wonderfully, @Xevyr !