Lol no, they said it, heard it like everyone.
I feel like I’m being trolled… so I cut it right here.
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Hey now… Lol
To the topic at hand - I have all the BP, but I agree with @heaven13’s suggestion. For me, I see no loss if other players get access to the things I already have. I also see no loss to Funcom by this method since anyone purchasing a BP ‘late’ would no longer receive the Corm Coins back - so those that buy at the time are rewarded and incentivised (which the company apparently ‘needs’), but others would still have access later, just at a cost. (Personally, I wouldn’t care if it worked exactly the same as the BP at the time and they did get the Crom Coins back, but I can understand how the company wouldn’t want to risk messing up its FOMO monetisation scam scheme.)
As to broken promises - my understanding was that FC stated back at the beginning that battlepass stuff would be made available in other ways later (it always struck me as somewhat vague exactly what form that would take, but my understanding was that nothing is purely exclusive - of course, the fact that I don’t care about exclusivity may have coloured my interpretation of this).
But ‘broken promises’ seems to be Funcom’s raison d’etre - if promises weren’t going to be broken, they wouldn’t make them. So what’s one more at this point anyway?
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If you’re so certain that they said exactly what you claim they said and that you didn’t misunderstand any nuance or omit any relevant context, you might want to point to the source of your claims rather than accusing me of trolling.
But I guess it’s easier to:
- ignore the nuanced difference between “exclusivity incentivizes sales” and “without exclusivity we won’t sell enough”
- pretend they never said anything that contradicts your belief in their “promises”
- wave away any questions by saying “everyone heard it” and call me a troll
I don’t know why I expected anything different after all the time I’ve spent on these forums.
For what it’s worth, I don’t shy from digging up the source for at least some of my own claims. Here’s where they introduced the Battle Pass and addressed the question we’re discussing right now:
At the 1:42:29 timestamp, Nicole relays the question from the chat, about being able to buy BP items after the chapter is over, and Dennis explains their plans. What he says right from the start, and what you deliberately ignore and pretend is irrelevant, is that it’s their “plan for the Battle Passes right now” and it’s “subject to change based on feedback and based on numbers”.
He also says that those plans are the result of the advice from the “very experienced monetization expert” they’re working with. And that’s the only thing he says about that advice. He does not, at any point, say anything about the rationale behind that advice, much less make a claim that they wouldn’t be able to generate enough sales without exclusivity.
So here’s the deal: either show that you’re willing to make the same effort I’m making and back up your claim with a source – and I’ll gladly acknowledge I’m wrong if that’s what they actually said – or kindly keep your accusations and ad hominems to yourself. For some reason, everyone here seems to think that if they can’t make their arguments stand on their own, the next best thing is to resort to thinly veiled insults, and I’m tired of taking that crap.
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Well… This topic gained a bit of traction in my time away… Having skimmed over most of the responses, I am standing by what I’ve said here and in other threads. One of that the reasons that the current AAA monetization scheme has yet to fully dissolve is the Fear of Missing Out, as well as the sense of entitlement that many gamers have due to obtaining something that no one else has or ever will obtain. The sense of Pride and Accomplishment that players gain due to obtaining these exclusive rewards is subjective. Sure, they may care about such things, but others could not care less about it.
I will reiterate that I could not care less if someone has something that I have. If giving players the ability to purchase previous Battle Passes eventually leads to long-term gains for the developer, isn’t that only a good thing? Having more options is good for the player. FOMO isn’t. That is as simple as it gets.
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I am amused by this “Karen” attitude some people have.
It seems like everything in this world has to adjust to please them.
Always entitlements, not ever once in their life any duties.
The most amusing are those who are trying to imply that denying them content that they simply missed out is some form of exclusion or harassment.
Battle Pass is not a FOMO. It’s an optional thing for active players to support further development while having some fun by grinding unique items.
This is just how the battle pass works, if there is a speed limit of 60, it does not change anything that you are OK with people breaking it and driving 80.
But hey, there is a chance that they are going to get a ticket, so it benefits the state, and if it benefits the state it benefits everyone. So people should drive 80 or more when there is a limit of 60, as this benefits us all.
This kind of mental gymnastics some of you try to push in this thread.
It’s funny 
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Battlepass is designed as a way to keep players engaging with your game. If a player has to log in to do a thing (whether that be a battlepass, daily log in rewards, or some other kind of daily task that gives you a thing) it makes your numbers look better and keeps players playing longer than they might have based on the actual game content because they…wait for it…don’t want to miss out.
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Yes based on feedback, I’ve heard this too.
The massive uproar after they announced this never happened. There was a thread on the forums back in the day about it and there were people against and in favor of the idea.
But also listen to Dennis what comes after cause you’re not telling the whole story here:
01:43:00 - 01:43:50
This is the part where Dennis explains how things wil go on forward. The Battle Pass items will not return to the store, but they might make variations of items.
When you release something exclusive still to this very day and all the past Battle Passes you can’t revert exclusivity back based on the original promise/clarification they made going forward.
Only for the future Battle Passes this would be possible if communicated to the players.
Not the ones that are sold in times where this was exclusive. Only variations.
If you don’t understand this then we’re done talking, there is no point to keep arguing about it.
You simply don’t break a promise you made and stay a reliable company.
You said I heard what I wanted to hear, but its very clear to me you heard only the things you wanna hear.
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All i will say is this.
There’s absolutely no reason to argue!
It’s their call.
When they started the battle pass they said that battle pass will replace the old dlcs.
They also said…
When a new Age begins and the Battle Pass resets, you will no longer be able to earn the items you did not progress to, but we may rotate modified versions of them into the Bazaar at a future time, and we will be closely monitoring community feedback on this aspect.
So…
For anyone interested to read everything is on @Multigun recap…
They can say what they wish in public, make mistakes while they speak on live streams, etc…
But what’s written is there to establish truth and the truth lies only to what you see written and not to what you listen or say.
Funcom already has an official position about previous battle pass items. And it’s up there read and stop fighting for things you don’t belong.
Because i was there in each battle pass or twitch or whatever, does not make me better than any other player this game has.
Gaming is and should remain fun.
Every player is a costumer and equally deserves to have the same fun i had and still do.
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id pay double or triple coins for a previous Battlepass tbh i have almost everything in the game but the first 2 BP and twitch drops bc F twitch i refuse to make a account there
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Yes, that was their plan for the Battle Pass going forward. And what did he say about that at the beginning? Oh, that’s right, that it’s subject to change based on feedback and based on numbers.
“This is how we will do things, but it can all change in the future based on feedback and based on numbers” is not an iron-clad promise you make it out to be.
Of course they can. You did not receive any guarantee anywhere that it would always remain exclusive. That’s why they always say things like “subject to change”, because they know there are people who will assume they’re making some kind of sacred, unbreakable oath. Not that they should bother, because anyone who thinks like that isn’t likely to change their mind.
And you said you heard them say that they would not generate enough revenue if the BPs weren’t exclusive. I’m still waiting for you to back it up. Or hell, it doesn’t even have to be you. Anyone could back it up and if that’s what they really said, I would admit I was wrong.
That really is amusing, framing this discussion in terms of “duties”. I would ask if you’re serious, but only a seriously misguided person could even come up with the idea that it’s somehow your “duty” to show up early enough to play a videogame 
But if that is funny, this is hilarious:
It’s exclusive and the completion is time-limited. It’s designed to artificially drive engagement by presenting something players can only obtain in a limited period of time, otherwise they’ll … hey, what’s a way of saying “not be able to take advantage of an opportunity?” Oh, right, they’ll “miss out”.
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If the rewards contained within the Battle Pass are unobtainable after that Battle Pass expires (regardless of whether it was paid for or not), then it can be inferred that those rewards are designed to force player retention and create a Fear of Missing Out. Therefore, the Battle Passes in which those rewards are obtained are the mechanics that facilitate that fear.
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One little follow-up I wanted to offer.
That’s not what I’m arguing about. I hate dishonesty and I hate it even more when people who are being dishonest about their intentions come out of the woodwork to judge the rest of us and preach about integrity.
I stay silent when people like @prologue1337 and @Bathory say “No, I bought this because it was exclusive and I want it to stay exclusive because of that.”
They’re entitled to their way of thinking, regardless of whether we relate to it or not, whether we like it or not, whether we agree with it or not.
It’s when they start defending that way of thinking with tortuous reasoning that I start rolling my eyes. But when they saddle up and get on their high horse to judge the rest of us? That’s where they cross the line.
If someone get the kicks out of making sure that not everyone can have the things you have – not for free, but as something earned, albeit in a different way from yours – that’s their own choice and they’re free to make it. I might have my own opinions about that, but I won’t shove them down their throat, because it’s okay for us to be different. But if they fail to extend me the same courtesy, then I will respond in kind.
Like I keep saying, call a spade a spade. And don’t hit me with it, because I will hit back. That is what I’m arguing about.
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I say shovel 
What? Oh yeah i know, not helpful. Hey there’s a dev stream coming on line here soon. Lalalalalalala
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That’s more appropriate, given the way they argue and the quality of their arguments 
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No my friend, you don’t need to pay double or triple. They have to sell and you can buy. Yes, battle pass has some cool things regardless if i use them or not. They can leave the satisfaction to the serial followers to have the tokens of remembrance and give the whole other things to their player base. Not that these tokens are something big (they are bull…t), buy anyway everybody’s happy i guess!
Personally I greatly enjoy the ability to own exclusive cosmetics and items. It signals my time and dedication to the game.
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Alright since this is getting no where and you interpreted the livestream a lot different than me I’ll keep it short.
I already clarified this in my previous reply. Take it is as is.
They can, but they won’t. They made this perfectly clear in the livestream. And for obvious reasons I already clarified enough.
At least not with the previous Battle Passes. This might change for the upcoming Battle Passes if they decide to do so.
Did you even watch the whole stream… just like stelagel shared with us, I’m not going to repeat what has been said because you’re refusing to accept it.
Section “Changes to Monetization”.
This is the last time I’ll reply on what has been said or discus our interpretation of it.
For further discussion, refer to the livestream or a official statement by Funcom.
You, @prologue1337 and @Bathory can argue all you wish, i believe you have reasons to do so. I ain’t going yo tell anyone in here what to do and if i sound this way i apologize.
To all of you.
I am really sorry!
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No need to apologize. I didn’t take it that way, I just wanted to clarify why I was arguing.
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That one was one of the few streams that I watched in its entirety. I also re-watched that particular segment last night before posting and referring to it.
At no point in that stream did they say that not making the BP exclusive would not generate enough revenue.
I did receive a private message from someone else, describing a different stream where they might have said it, so I’ll have to look that up later.