Suggestion: Crom benefit

Hold up
I know what you’re thinking.
What would a cold, uncaring God who despises the weak and pleading possibly want to do for some scrummy exile, weak enough to get caught and exiled in the first place? He doesn’t even do anything for the free folk who respects his name!
Well, good reader, let me fill you in on a little theory of mine.
…Or just skip to the gameplay benefits if you don’t care for lore :wink:

The lore stuff.
For those of you who played AoC, you might remember the PVP cimmerian borderlands or “clan castle zone” called Lacheish plains. It was home to Clan Lacheish, and a wide, rich plain with rivers and bordering mountains. Very cimmerian, i loved the place. The lore of it was also quite interesting, as the settlement of Lacheish was in the south of the plains near a lake bearing the same name, BUT, in the middle of the plains to the north of them was a dominating feature of the landscape. Crom’s Rock.
It was not just a simple hill or rock formation, but an old and deep impact crater from a meteor.
*As i understood the lore of Lacheish, the village of the Clan used to be right there at crom’s rock, until one of the clan made the fatal mistake of praying to Crom. As Crom was (as he often and still is) battling it out with his nemesis Ymir, he was not happy to be disturbed by the sheepling whimpers of a mortal. From the top of his mountain, he reached up into the black void amongst the stars, grabbed a rock, and hurled it at the weak man, sending a flaming ball of rock and molten metal into their village, killing nearly everyone. *

As you enter the Lacheish plains many many years later, you meet the remnants of lacheish in the south and as you’re obviously a brave and fearless explorer, you venture into the crater and find exquisite metals, which i assume were brought there by Crom’s own wrath.

Now, in case you haven’t connected the dots just yet, Crom hurls star metal. He also battles Ymir all the time because why not. Frost giants being the sons of Ymir and only spawning in the north of the exiled lands where the star metal meteors land is (to me) a great nod by Joel to this old lore.
I might be wrong and it’s a complete coincidence, but i stand by my theory! They could have been very accurate by accident, who knows!

Now, any cunning cimmerian (or other) worth his or her salt would know the benefits of being both strong and devious, shrewd and cunning. They’re not mindless barbarians as other races would like to portray them, they’re descendants of atlanteans after all, with their riddle of steel.
There would perhaps be room for someone to take great risk to harness Crom’s destructive power for their own game, and in Crom’s eyes if his wrath is summoned by trick that leaves his “worshipper” with a net gain, is he still doomed, or is he tolerated by the great mean god?

Let’s get to some possible implementations for how a few boons for the Crom religion might work.
We all know the “strength given at birth” thing, but there’s actually no strength there at all when you start the game as a cromite. I’d suggest changing that, giving a character a growing boon to either strength, grit, vitality or survival that starts as just a +1, but by endgame becomes a +3. Not much, i know, but if you forego all other religions you will at least be rewarded a little bit. This buff ofcourse disappears the moment you subscribe to any of the games other religions, and maybe even transforms into a curse, a “weakling” mark that you have to suffer for some time, or even fills your purge bar.

There’s no real need for anything more than something small like that, but everyone seems to want some kind of avatar-style thing to use at the endgame. With lore in mind though we can forget an avatar of crom coming down to help you, just accept the fact that if you even try to ask for such a thing, he’s gonna hurl a whole lot of meteors down until you and your base is nothing but dust, like the Lacheish clan. But, in there is where you might get some reward if you are cunning. Lets say you’re raiding your favourite enemy, you’re about to die in a glorious last stand, and with only death in store for you, you reveal your last trick - an amulet to Crom that you went through hell and high water to make and conceal. You grab it in your fist, you break it, knowing this gesture of attention from the God on the mountain will surely incur his wrath without any reservation. As you breathe your last in the limb-cluttered bloodbath you’ve caused, with some thrall’s spear coming closer to finish you off, you hear the roar of Crom’s flaming ball of fury come diving down like a fighterplane on fire, brightening the sky and deafening your puny mortal ears as crom’s bunker-busting rock crashes through nine layers of carefully built castle and crushes the approaching enemy under three tons of priceless metal where you previously stood. As you’re a man or woman of main-protagonist survivability however, you manage to dodge and run away juuuust fast enough to avoid the rock yourself. You can now laugh in the face of death, and stand proud infront of the mountain god and say you tricked him, your risk paid off and you stand the victor of a slaughter in your own name. Glorious!

-At least until Thic8oi, the newest member in your clan calls a bunkerbuster down on your own base by mistake, 3 days later.

So, in short;
A boon to ONE of the following stats acting as your “inborn” potential. Strength,grit, or survival,starting at +1 at level 1 and gradually rising to +3 at level 60.
Choose ANY other religion during the course of the game and it is immediately removed, maybe even incurring a penalty of some kind.

An endgame “weapon” that is high risk, unpredictable, unsafe and a one-shot bunkerbuster meteor that leaves a (relatively small) hole if any building is above your head when you summon it.
Run a little too slow, and you’re canned meat. Run fast enough, and you might just survive and reap the spoils of your shrewd plan.

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You literally took the thought right from my head!
With slightly differences.

Crom gives two gifts to his worshipers at birth.
The strength in their sword arm and, the fire in their hearts.

I was thinking when you create a character, choosing Crom as your God gives a +1 to Strength & Grit. His two gifts to you at “birth”.

I love this so very much. :black_heart:

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So glad I’m not the only one who thinks it could be cool to see :smiley:

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It could def be part of n very koo to have, but u know devs might stick to this sentence like crazy glue “crom comes with no benefit”

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@Derynea and @Zeb it is great to see other souls who believe that is is indeed possible for Crom to be given additional features and still remain in keeping with Conan lore. I have something which I would very much love to share with/show you both. Something which may speak to the true faithful such as yourselves. However, I have work impending. Keep your eyes on this thread later today friends…

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I look forward to it. :black_heart:

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Indeed. And while they may stick to “Crom comes with no benefit” and kinda be right if they choose to, I still don’t think it’s 100% accurate. The Gods in Hyboria and the age this all takes place in has very real Gods. Saying that Crom’s religion is the agnostic’s choice is a bit misleading, and Conan himself would call you a fool if you denied the reality of any God. So when it’s said “Crom gives his people the strength at birth to toil, fight, survive and thrive” while this is said about no other God, then it’s definately a feature that sets Crom apart from others, not the exact same as others and just higher expectations. He’s putting his people through a trial, a gift and then judges what they do with it.
Personally, I’m much more of a Erlik person myself but theres no chance at this point that his religion will be integrated :smiley: So purely out of love for the lore I champion the Crom religion here.

That, and i think it’s awesome to see the meteors come down at Ymir’s children and be clued in that it’s not just a random feature, that’s a God at work ^^

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A warm greeting Derynea, and also Zeb! Before I show you what I came to, I feel it would be good manners to first address some of your insightful post.

Derynea you will hear no such nonsense from me, and I agree with you in the strongest possible terms that it is not 100% accurate. Croms benefit is the ability create our own benefits, using free will and resourcefulness he granted us. I have always firmly believed that we should have the ability to create Crom themed Weapons and Armour, Banner, and an ornament (in a similar vein to Yogs Skeletal Decoration and Sets Snake Idol). These would not be given directly by Crom himself, but built by the player with their own two hands in either the Handcrafting menu, or even for that matter the Blacksmiths Bench. Such items are not an act of worship, but a display of allegiance. Therefore, it is completely in keeping with the lore. Moreover, as you stated already, Crom IS a religion, not a lack of one.

Unfortunately, due to interweb related limitations, I was unable to ever play Age of Conan, but have spent some limited time watching friends do so. If memory serves me correctly, there was also an area named the House of Crom, which contains Atlantean temples, shrines and more, correct or no? (please tell me more about both!)

Correct again! Oh my dear Derynea, there is MORE than enough room. If anything he would see it as an act of courage and tenacity, as opposed to cowardly skulking away from it. Harvesting a fallen rock to create a benefit for ones self is not calling upon Crom, it is just using the gifts he gave us and being a survivor.

Regarding the features
It sounds like you are asking for a Passive Stats Bonus…? I will discuss the Meteor and Avatars in a seoerate post, as their are a few things which I must speak of underpinning this…

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Give or take i was thinking the same thing about Crom, good ideas overall i like the way you structured everything. Before Ymir i always chose Crom, but since Ymir atleast gives me a cool nordic altar and some weapons and armor i went with him.

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The thing that occurs to me is that even if Crom gives no benefit, what about a cost instead?

No answer comes when you how at Crom’s alter, but… what about building that alter? No need for the zeal mechanics.

Alternatively there could just be a cosmetic Crom-themed Blacksmith’s bench.

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Why thankyou very much for your kind words Solarius, that means a lot! I have something important which I am slowly alluding to here. If you like where this is going, then by all means stay tuned. For the moment I must retire, as it is quite late where I am.

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I like Crom i really do, but as it is right now whats the point of going with Crom, he literally gives nothing, not even a cosmetic. It’s best to choose some of the other gods, you at least get something from them, even though i rarely make an altar or said weapons, i just like to have the option available to me when i decide to use them.

The only reason to probably choose Crom is if you are RPing as a godless warrior, giving a small stat boost is a interesting idea, and taking said stat boost when a player chooses another god is also really good.

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He dwells on a great mountain. What use to call on him? Little he cares if men live or die. Better to be silent than to call his attention to you;he will send you dooms, not fortune! He is grim and loveless, but at birth he breathes power to strive and slay into a man’s soul. What else shall men ask of the gods?

he will send you dooms, not fortune!

A small increase of a purge happening maybe, if you choose Crom ?

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This…THIS! I love the Purge. :black_heart:

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Imagine you make a nice statue of Crom showing your affection, and he be like “Oh you have statues of me. Are you worshiping me ? SEND IN THE BEASTS !”

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I’m for nothing or something. or just being bale to place a object to show proof of my love for Crom even if it did nothing. (move journal entries!!! hehehehhee)

I’m in favor of it smashing you with lighting for asking Crom for something.

OR, it keeps track your kills, in manner that if you should die(Or get knocks to below 5% health). Crom may slap a boon on you to fight harder since you amused him all this time.

User who flop to other religions basiclly drop this favor, and must regain it.

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I imagine a Crom only Purge…of NEW named Thralls. Send me your doom! :pray:t2::heart_eyes::raised_hands:t2::joy:

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Although an interesting idea, now when i think about it, this will make Crom an active god in mortal affairs, maybe it’s going against the lore a bit.

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Crom woshipers God power is sending Purge to another player.

“Doom! to the nonbelievers!”

XD

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Shh shh shhhh. We are on to something good here.

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