What's the news on Tot ! Custom?

:brazil: mod servers
Sou obrigado a falar, mas prefiro mostrar o print mostrando como tem mais jogadores em RP que em outros servidores, portanto são os que fazem o jogo respirar hoje em dia. Sou jogador de PVP raiz mas parei junto com a atualização 3.0

E iniciei em servidor PVE e MOD estou gostando e curtindo mais o jogo a gameplay é formidável :star_struck:

That’s quite the interesting view. I mean just look at these ToT threads. You have people rushing to the forums to make claims, of which they have no actual evidence of, and when anyone who happens to point out that they have no evidence to support their claims the receive a tirade of people shouting at them telling them to “stay out of threads that do not concern them”. Or when they point out simple facts such as “Funcom does not work on the weekend” or “Funcom does not discuss matters concerning bans (or in this instance mod removals) in a public manner” they get shouted at by waves of people with “holier than thou attitudes”.

So I do have to question. Who exactly is “literally the worst”?

In my opinion. No one. Some people are trying to give information that those who are not active forum users may not be knowledgeable of. Some people may simply be frustrated over a situation and are lashing out, but are honestly not bad people. They are simply just that, frustrated. No one is “literally the worst”.

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But thats what forums are for, complaining, its the worse, cause you are arguing against the fourms main function, every company, every game, go to blizzard fourms, complaining, go to lol’s fourms, more complaining, theres not even that many threads, like man, I dont think you guys can handle real drama, when blizzard goes through real drama, like the first 2 pages of there forums will be spammed with the issue, that is true annoyance

Is that really all that you think the forums are for? That’s kinda sad.

If you think that point out factual evidence that will HELP someone in their efforts is … ARGUING then again, that is sad.

I have no interest in going to forums of games I do not play. (I have no idea what lol is anyway).

So because we prefer to behave like civilized people, generally speaking, we should just shut up and allow you to behave like what exactly? :roll_eyes:

Yeah sorry not sorry. You are literally not helping yourself here. Your warped sense of “the worst” has blinded you from reality. That or your simple entitlement mentality and persecution complex. :woman_shrugging: Either rate I truly do not care. Your attitude and behavior in your posts are leaning far closer to “literally the worst” than anyone you seem to be claiming the title for. But whatever, you do you.

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I am not the one seeing about 2 threads about tot, as like some sort of invasion crisis

I mean you are here attacking my opinion personally I been nothing but civil most people complaining about tot have been civil, its a mod that increases our enjoyment of the game, and we have a right to complain about it

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That’s a widespread cultural problem. It’s almost a kind of social contagion, it feels like. You go to official forums, or reddit, or youtube streamers (who may or may not be a primary driver of this behavior) and that’s what you get now. It didn’t always used to be this way. But also, it’s like…the forums don’t represent the game’s playerbase as a whole at all.

A few months ago I was playing Diablo 4 and if I had payed attention to the forums, reddits, and youtubers, it was a game that no one liked and no one was playing. Actually playing the game told me the opposite. Forums really are kinda full of all the killjoys and I often struggle to find threads to participate in due to me not really being one of those people.

Like, there are a lot of problems I have but I can’t support all the vitriol and histrionics.

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People complain cause they like something, if the fourms where empty thats worse, pvpers complain cause they want to pvp, and pve, rpers all do the same thing endless praising isnt ever going to help the devs, or a game become better

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Sorry @Xevyr, but I strongly have to disagree here.

The only thing Funcom reacts too is if pressure is high enough. Otherwhise they do not care. We have witnessed this several times over the years now, especially in regards to buggy updates. If people wouldn´t have made such a loud noise about some updates we would have never seen a lot of those “free xp” events or “apology” posts.

As a gamer that is the only thing you can do to get heard, making noises loud enough so they have no other choice as to react. Only if it gets very inconvinient for them they are willing to communicate or do something. Do you really think that big companies like Tencent care about your opinion as a customer as long as you stay quiet and keep buying in their shops? Only if they have to fear to loose a lot of that sweet sweet fomo money they will react.

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It seems to me that after Funcom’s response (even if not satisfactory, at least it gave the impression that the issue was not being ignored) the discussion turned between those who came here to make fun of RPers and those who claimed that ToT currently had raised the level of customization incredibly. I believe that it makes no difference to these people whether the ToT issue is resolved or not, they could simply shrug their shoulders and continue playing the game as they paid for it. Whether ToT users are left with the, failed or not, attempt to save months of RP (which in a video game is also made up of cosmetics, otherwise they might as well go back to doing tabletop RP) or with the option to change video game is of little interest to the detractors.

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As the originator of the first thread that seems now to be perpetually locked thanks to people acting like badly behaved children (both those railing at Funcom and making preposterous claims and those who love nothing better than a chance to be awful to RPers)…I do have some thoughts.

When I originally posted, it was because I had been told that there had been no communication between Funcom and the modder whose excellent character customization mod, Tot Custom, was pulled from the Steam Workshop at FC’s request. I did and still do feel that the modder should have been informed of the ban by Funcom at least at the time it was enacted if not before. Even if there had been earlier communications between Funcom and the modder, which there may well have been.

I have said in my original thread, no doubt lost in the flood by now, that none of us know, or are entitled to know, what specific problem or problems caused FC to ban the mod. Questions about those specifics are pointless wastes of time and space. I would implore those of you with those questions to stop it. The modder could, if he were so inclined, share the emails to him from Funcom and his responses to them. That he is choosing not to do so is probably both wise and telling. It is entirely possible that he has been told not to share those emails while there is still some hope that his mod will be reinstated. But even if he has not been given such a gag order, it would likely be foolish of him to share them now while he negotiates with Funcom over the fate not just of Tot Custom but that of his entire suite of mods upon which so many servers rely. Because if the ban remains in place on Tot Custom he will not be permitted to update and reupload any of his mods and as game updates occur those mods will stop working and server owners will be forced to abandon them.

So for those of you holding out hope that Tot Custom will be returned it is probably wise to realize that even more than that single mod is at stake here and it would be best if you either stop posting or drastically moderate your tone.

You might also stop to consider the fact that Funcom very likely does not need the modders files, source code or what-have-you to know exactly what is in them. Trust me on this, they know. And while it would be great for them to publicly say, “Hey modders, you see this specific thing? Yeah, don’t do that,” since that would probably also be exposing a means to do something they don’t want modders doing (but that they can), odds are extremely low anything like that is going to happen.

Be content that communication and negotiation is now occurring between the modder and Funcom and develop some patience. GO play other games while we wait or, y’know, engage in some actual human interaction. I hear the graphics are pretty great outside… even if the quest rewards pretty much suck.

Lastly, be kind. And if you can’t be kind… try being silent.

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@Alexandria thank you!

Context matters… I really don’t know how to say this any more bluntly so it gets across…

This is not the basegame… this is an optional mod Funcom can just get rid of and move on…

When the guy’s being investigated for inciting people to attack others on the internet (that’s at least what I’m understanding on “maintaining a toxic environment”) then attacking people on the internet… and Funcom devs at that… is very COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE imo… did in sink in yet?..

Now if you disagree… Fine! I’m done trying to explain, I was just trying mitigate some of the damage to all sides by asking people to chill out, Alexandria above pretty much explained it.

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Yupity yup. It is not one mod at stake. It is all the mods at stake. An example is being set, and fortunately, the community watches closely.

And yash. Mods are optional. Funcom could “just get rid of them” and move on… unless there is an adverse effect for them doing that.

I also plead for all parties to keep a cool head and be friendly with each other. However, I must also say that I would have welcomed Funcom acting as a moderator and mediator between the conflicting parties instead of taking a certain side for whatever reason and banning a mod that is used by many players and servers and on which many other mods are based.
What I appreciate about Tot!Custom is that this mod pursues a real community idea and has brought many people and modders together for a joint project. This is something I have not yet experienced with Conan Exiles in this way. I found this very motivating and refreshing.
I would also like to add that as a member of Totchinuko’s Discord, I cannot attest to any agitation or creation of a toxic community atmosphere towards other modders. The opposite is the case. I experience Totchinuko as straightforward, who can perhaps also sometimes cause offence with this manner. But at no time did he incite or call for hatred against other modders.
No matter what Funcom decides in this case. This chapter is not a nice one, and in the end all those responsible should take another look at themselves and question their actions.

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What I appreciate about Tot!Custom is that this mod pursues a real community idea and has brought many people and modders together for a joint project

This is why they on purpose removed all compatibility with Pippi in their basic mods?
Indeed they have community welfare at hearts :joy:

I would also like to add that as a member of Totchinuko’s Discord, I cannot attest to any agitation or creation of a toxic community atmosphere towards other modders.

I still remember these tot-heads raiding other servers by dozens, shouting at people in voice chat and generally acting like rabble.

So for those of you holding out hope that Tot Custom will be returned it is probably wise to realize that even more than that single mod is at stake here and it would be best if you either stop posting or drastically moderate your tone.

This quote says all about how these people are “not toxic”. They are raiding this forum and discord servers and find it completely normal.

Whether ToT users are left with the, failed or not, attempt to save months of RP (which in a video game is also made up of cosmetics, otherwise they might as well go back to doing tabletop RP) or with the option to change video game is of little interest to the detractors.

Tot-users had no sympathy for Pippi users not so long ago and had shown disregard for years and thousands of hours of work Pippi admins had put into their servers.

So, it’s karma I guess :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You all need to touch some grass ASAP!!!
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May I point out that Pippi and Tot!Admin are compatible with each other. Both mods can be used in parallel. However, you have to choose one of the chat systems, Tot!Chat or Pippi Chat.
What is the problem and why is it not allowed to develop a mod that competes with Pippi?
The mod Pippi was once supposed to be discontinued, it is kept up to date, but no longer receives any further development. That is the modder’s right.
That’s why I’m glad that a mod has been developed that also offers such possibilities and can be further developed if Funcom should lift the ban.
The demands to create a 100% compatibility between Pippi and Tot!Admin is 1. not desired by Joshtech, for whatever reason, and 2. not possible, because both mods are based on their own APIs. By the way, the API of Tot!Admin or Sudo is accessible to all, that of Pippi is not. This is also a decision of the responsible modder and is to be accepted. It is understandable that the community is pushing for more open solutions.
The problem lies more with people who decide for themselves to spread false accusations that were never made on both sides. So for me, the situation is now clear. False accusations and denunciations are being made against a modder here. I consider that morally reprehensible.

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It is big to assume that the majority of the users of a good product are the ones delving into drama. Pippi is good, custom is good. Why the hate? There were hundreds of people reacting the day where Josh were caught shadow banning people, like there are hundreds reacting to this now.

In the end, people want their game enhanced where funcom fails to deliver. They are left with a lesser product, and now have to deal with a developer that seems to get increasingly more shady ever since Tencent got involved as well. It is worrisome.

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Hey
Please be nice with each others. I have not spoken on this Forum until now, but seeing the previous topics and a few others, I feel like I should say at least a little something.
Yes it is quite jarring that the mod got banned without warning or prior contact, and that I literately had to fish for information to know what email to contact, but at the end of the day, it’s just a mod. I’ll keep going with my appeal, but I’d really like not to see things go out of hands here. It won’t fix anything faster.
Any information relative to this problem is publicly available on my Discord server and I keep them up to date as transparently as I can reasonably do.
It was incredible to see all of the support, so thank you :slight_smile:

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So this is the reason why… it’s only bickerings among mod supporters. Well instead in the past I was wondering why Funcom didn’t contacted Pippi and modders like that to include their work in the base game. I came from PVE world, and was amazed when discoverd the wonderful modded world. Often even better than the base game. I passed long time desiring things that i have found in RP modded servers. And only lately Funcom started introducing stuff similar… like the illusionist, largely inspired to Fashionist (even if not equal).

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tot works with pippi, i dunno why you lying about this, only thing that doesnt is the chat, but duh, you can only have one mod that changes the chat, thats pretty basic

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