I did keyhole once and it just wasn’t me. Boring bunker that demanded my presence every night since everyone knew I was there and wanted it. So yeah, no fun experience in my opinion. I turned into a Howard Hughes type of person and so I never went back. Much happier and free because of it.
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No answers to this tho @CodeMage
If you don’t have fun defending your playing wrong ! Best part of the game sometimes
No, it’s not, by a long shot. From what everyone’s been writing, I do understand that the state of PVP and raiding leaves much to be desired. And I also understand that Funcom isn’t working to improve it.
What I’ve been opposing vocally on these forums are extreme ideas, such as:
- We shouldn’t have any claim/building rules at all!
- PVP shouldn’t have any claim/building rules at all!
- Funcom should add a bunch of no-build zones!
- People can’t be expected to read the rules!
- Funcom is banning people unfairly left and right!
Maybe it should. Like I said, I do understand that maybe some rules might need to be clarified or adjusted.
Thing is, most of the people I’ve been arguing against aren’t going to be satisfied with that, no matter how well Funcom does it. I could expect certain people like you to react thoughtfully to these hypothetical changes. People like that are too many to name in this post, but too few when compared to everyone who has been weighing in on these threads.
The rest are more likely to keep moving the goal posts and keep saying things like “we shouldn’t have any rules on building”, “people shouldn’t have to read the rules”, and such. People like that are people who help actually break the game for others, at worst, and make it much less enjoyable at best. I don’t want them to be the loudest voice.
And therein lies the rub. I’m pretty sure that’s why Funcom sets the same rules, acts against anyone who breaks them, and let Yog sort them out.
Basically, we’re talking about abusing a game mechanic that isn’t meant for that purpose, and then investing the effort into figuring out when that abuse was “tactical” rather than exploitative, when the whole thing shouldn’t really be necessary in the first place and only happens because the raiding game mechanics are screwed up.
I don’t disagree with you, really. I think that what you’re saying would be better than status quo. But I also understand why they’re not doing that: prioritization. It’s for that same reason they haven’t improved the raiding in ages. It’s for that same reason that they haven’t implemented the “settlement system” yet, or any of the things on my own personal wishlist. It sucks. 
It especially sucks when you take into account what their current priorities seem to be, but maybe let’s not go there 
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Exactly what kind of answer do you expect from me there? Do you want me to clarify yet again that I do believe that cheating is bad and that abusing game mechanics is also bad? Do you want me to clarify yet again that I do believe that dealing with hackers and cheaters should be prioritized?
Because sure, I can repeat that as often as you want, but that doesn’t change anything else I already wrote.
But do you really want to go down that line of discussion? Because if you do, here’s the foremost question you should ask yourself: what’s the difference between your abuse of the claim mechanics in a “tactical” setting and these players’ abuse of the combat mechanics to one-shot everyone in a “tactical” setting?
It’s just two repair hammers. It’s boring. The advantage of the keyhole is that narrow access point. The disadvantage of the keyhole is that narrow egress point. What makes it difficult for enemies to enter also prevents your from going out. What’s left are repair hammers and waiting the enemy out.
Now the enforcement team can correct me but since investigations are done to determine if complaint is legitimate and that can take, at the shortest time frame, a day to do, if you create such a barrier and then remove it, there is nothing for the admin enforcement to do and so they move on. Meaning that if you create your siege barrier and then tear it down after raid time, this is not an enforceable infraction because you self regulated it away and the offended party has no grounds since they are free to move around. They only have evidence of it for a five hour window and the offending party removed the offense so the rest is just gravy and complaints.
More :tagging @Umborls to see if the team wishes to update the ToS on siege barriers at all.
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Now support been tagged goodbye thread 
They do nothing but delete people !!
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Although I haven’t played in there since AoS and the teleporters would mean a different path altogether…which also adds a new type of boring in that you have a base design that makes raiding non-rewarding (which is a personal favorite of mine) but still gets a bit boring as well.
I’m sure Cat has been monitoring this one. It’s sufficient # of responses and resurrected Barnes back from the dead.
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Just need to not stop the “taste great”/“less filling” repetitious debates.
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I miss ignasis 
Why? Are you saying that if Funcom was to put the name of a person who made an in game report about a player abusing the in game ToS, that Funcom could be held legally responsible in some way for something?
Sorry, not buying that one. But then again, wheres the harm in putting the name of the reporter if:
If its an alt or not used account, then even less to worry about, no?
Wow, what did you sign when you agreed to play Funcom? My bank details are not linked in any way, shape or form to this game.
Buying Crom coins is done through steam (for PC users, not sure on consoles). There is zero chance that Funcom is getting your information of your bank through steam, THAT would violate law. Even then, I dont have my bank account linked to steam either.
I think youre reaching on this. I could be wrong, and maybe people do link their bank accounts to Funcom. Seems rather silly to me, but hey, to each their own.
Which means then, that its already illegal to do anything with that, as we both know something like swatting is illegal.
Making something illegal doesnt stop people from doing it. The attitude that “well, we need to prevent everyone from doing X, because someone might use it and do something illegal” is a great excuse to curb peoples freedoms “in the name of safety”. Yes, Im aware this is a game and that real life freedoms do not exist in here, but I am referring to potential illegal things outside the game (and again, I do not support any activity done to harm people). We are seeing this in Canada right now with our current government, restricting peoples lives and property because “if it saves just one life”
Is the next step just preventing all people from talking on the forums because one person may do something that is already illegal? No, thats never the answer. Punish those that commit a crime, and dont restrict those that follow the laws (or in this case rules).
I know this is an RL tangent, but explain that to our liberal government please.
Sure, in a non mailcious way. And yet somehow, we trust them, their parent companies, and everyone in the gaming industry.
No, I dont want anyones personal information. Ive never asked for that, and I wouldnt advocate for it either. All I said to start this whole thing, was that if Funcom decided to show the reason for a players ban, with the evidence, as a “no, you are 100% wrong and here is why you got banned”, to show who did the report. Heck, I cant even take credit for most of that suggestion as it wasnt my idea.
Why on earth would you resort to illegal real life behaviour as the first response to you breaking ToS in a game?
When you have that answer, you have solved whats wrong with todays society.
I dont like it. Never have, never will. And, again, Ive never advocated for that, since its illegal behaviour.
No its not, and I have no idea how or why people think that.
Lets hypothetically say Funcom implemented this. Lets now assume that we see the same person report building infractions on 10 different servers.
Know what that tells me? The conspiracy theories about people server hopping to purposely look people to ban are indeed correct. It also tells me that those players have zero interest in actually playing the game on a server, but rather want to ruin others game experiences.
It can be considered DOXing, an devs they can be held libel. And facts don’t care if you don’t buy them.
We keep telling you but you “aren’t buying it”.
Read a TOS and a EULA. We keep trying to get it through to you that your forum account is a chain from your post to your bank. Not sure how much simpler we can explain it.
I buy steam cards at walmart. There is still a chain from me buying a DLC and the bank card I used to buy that card. I may take an expert a couple days to do it, but it can be done.
So you never lock your doors, and leave your keys in the car? That is what you are saying, lets not do anything to prevent crimes just punish the criminal once they have committed the crime.
No one wants to ban guns, that is just propaganda being fed to the gullible by the gun lobby. Every time there is a mass shooting in the US the gun lobby plays up “they’re going to use this as an excuse to take your guns away” and gun sales go up. This isn’t about politics this is about an industry using fear ■■■■ and misinformation to over sell a product. Pardon the tangent.
Is it starting to seep in now?
And that is the point, we keep trying to explain it to you but; and I’m not sure how else to say this, you are failing to comprehend the explanation.
Reporting people doesn’t get you banned. I know people don’t want it to be their fault, they want to blame the reporter. But the reporter didn’t build your base, and you don’t get banned for just being reported.
If some one gets banned for just being reported maybe some admin needs to step down.
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You kind of stated the obvious here 
Not sure if you are right there. Also how would you know the difference? and how would you know that you are the cause? That was what I was saying.
Technically there isn’t any AI in games it’s just preset responses to actions but I get what you are saying. Hopefully it does not cheat 
Not really, its a @CodeMage thing. The ToS says no ‘Massive Constructions’ nothing to do with grid squares.
Not my point at all. it’s not for me specifically what I discussed was to hopefully benefit ALL players.
No. I was comparing imposing things in a different way by different people.
BTW I was supporting what you have also asked for by using a building limit as a prevention to a rule being broken so not sure why you are challenging me.
Then how can any company hold any public forum, if any person can get information and doxx someone?
Wouldnt that risk be so intense that its just not worth it? I mean, if they only put a players name in the thread showing who made a report (which actually, goes against our conversation since me typing your name doesnt give any information about you, but rather me), yeah, no information about that person is gotten.
Yup. I dont think that the 0.0000001% chance that someone digs through information to find RL information about a person and actually follows through on that illegal act by committing another illegal act on them is worth being scared of. Others dont want to see that chance being taken (oddly enough, by commenting on here we have all opened ourselves to the very thing you guys are arguing against. To me thats funny!)
Actually, I do lock my doors on my house, but thats due to the contents. I own firearms, and keep them locked up as secured as I can. My vehicles? Keys are in them in my driveway. Id rather a thief attempt to steal my trucks then break into my house when Im asleep. Dont forget, Im in a country where we are not allowed to defend ourselves and will be held criminally responsible for defending ourselves against home intruders.
In a way, yes. In a perfect society where people treated each other with respect, there would be no need to lock things down like Fort Knox. We now live in a drug infused, ■■■■ hole society where theives and criminals are given slaps on the wrist.
The real problem is, people dont have any respect for people, or their property. If I seen a bike on someones lawn, do I take it, or do I walk away? We shouldnt have to lock everything.
Not sure if youre from Canada, but that is exactly what is going on. And the reason it is, is because we dont have a second amendment like the US, and why guns wont be banned in the US. But, I agree, thats a tangent, lets not go much more into that. 
Are you insinuating that putting someones name on the forums is illegal? Was that the point of your last two quotes of me?
If so, how are people allowed to tag others? Isnt that essentially and potentially doxxing them?
^^ This pretty much explains it. You assume that by putting a name on the forums, that its the path to committing and illegal act. Is this @DeaconElie doxxing you because I tagged you? I mentioned your name. Judging by your comments, it is right?
Youre missing 100% of what I said. Let me try breaking it down.
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15 reports come in from the same player about building infractions on 15 different servers (Ill even include that they are indeed worthy of a report)
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15 bans come in.
Do you think that person is going to go back and play on those 15 servers, or did that person just jump around looking to get people banned because it gives them either a power trip or they think they are doing the game a service?
Ill guarantee you, I could go onto that many servers and find thinks worthy of a report.
The question is, whats the point if you arent going to play there? Heck, for funzies I hopped onto a server I used to play on. First base I found had foundation spam around it. I laughed when I got a disconnect by their base, and just moved along. How much would you bet that I could hop into another server and find another ban worthy base?
Thats kinda my point…if it aint gonna bother the server you play on, why jump servers to look for things to ban people?
People have tossed that idea around on the forums, that people do that…and its merely a theory. IF Funcom implemented this idea of names, it would either prove or disprove that theory, much the same as showing the evidence of the report that got a player banned proves their guilt.
He is right. That’s how games work. Your own hardware won’t cause the server to lag. Honestly, it’s been years of discussing this, and I’m amazed at how certain myths and misconceptions about the performance just refuse to die. I’m even more amazed at how confidently people propagate those myths.
As for how you would know the difference, use the ToggleDebugHUD command. It will show you the “server FPS” as reported by the server itself. It’s not a comprehensive, infallible indicator of server performance, but it’s good enough for average player.
Well, since we’re being pedantic, the rules don’t forbid “massive constructions”.
That’s why I keep telling people that the rules don’t talk about the size of the build, but its effect on the server and on other players. The full quote is:
So you’re not breaking the rules because your construction is massive. You’re breaking the rules if your construction is massive enough to lead to loss of performance both on client and server-side.
You’re right that the rules don’t explicitly state that building over an entire grid square is bannable, and that both @DeaconElie and I are inferring that from what the rules do say. The inference is reasonable – I don’t think it’s possible to build a base that spans a whole grid square without breaking one of the rules – but it’s still just inference.
Now, there are two ways to talk and reason about that. You can be careful about what you claim and say you believe it’s bannable, and then go report it, and observe that, if Funcom gets around to it without letting the ticket auto-close due to its age, the culprit got banned.
Or you can be like @DeaconElie and cut the bullshіt and just claim it’s bannable 
Then again, if you really want to bet your access to official servers on your belief in your ability to build something that spans a whole grid square without 1) blocking access to content, 2) causing server-side performance problems, 3) building walls too far from your buildings, and 4) having a bunch of purely decorative buildings, then be my guest and let me know how it worked out for you
Because you assume the risk by voluntarily posting on that public forum. Anything you put there, you put it out of your own free will. Nobody put it there without your consent.
You do know what “doxxing” means, right?
I mean, if you don’t, just say so and we’ll go over it. But if you do, then don’t pretend you don’t understand the difference between your volunteering the fact that you live in Canada, and Funcom digging it up and posting it without your consent, especially if you never did so yourself.
Like I said, the “suggestion” you reacted to was that if I open a topic saying “I was unfairly banned from server #6666, where I played with my Funcom account CodeMage42069”, Funcom could use the information I freely volunteered – and the implicit consent to discuss my ban that I gave by starting that topic – and offer evidence that I was, indeed, banned fairly.
Your “suggestion” was to have Funcom add “oh, and it was the Funcom account DeaconElie69420 that reported you”, without any consent from @DeaconElie.
So let’s drop the pretense, okay?
Not really. Constantly using admins to enforce rules sinks more costs into the free service long term than having an automated system that prevents the rules from being broken.
Yes so preventing them from being broken in the first place is a much better option. Glad you agree
No. Two examples of why things happen. I didn’t even say that, that was my actions anyway.
Sense of honour is also psychological. i.e. a need to take comfort in doing what you perceive to be right.
Yes, I agree. For all apart from the cheats anyway. To be honest when playing PvP you have to accept that you are entering an environment that is dominated by clans. When I first started playing, I fully expected this and knew that I would need to do to survive.
Farm, Build and survive. Just like the advertisement says Bans should be for cheats.
No. I said it was a mechanism used by players. But if someone was to offline me or my clan then dam right they would be going elsewhere. I have no problems admitting that.
You seem to want to view me as the bad guy but in reality I never hit first, I always hit last.
It’s the gold fish thing.
You’d think that but more often then not people call a time out a ban.
Just what do you think AI is?
Nelsonian knowledge.
“I play PVP and the rules need to change to suit ME”, PVP meaning PVP players in general.
Have I challenged you on THAT point?
Read a freaking TOS for Set’s sake. Dude you have no clue how this works and since you can’t comprehend it you wont believe it.
Oh I’m sure you are quite blissful.
So you take precautions against something there is a slight chance of happening. Then arguing against doing just that.
We wouldn’t need rules.
Glad I don’t live in your world. I never lock my doors and could just leave my keys in my car.
In my world if you pull up in my drive and check you phone for directions, I can step out my front door and blow you away.
Yes, and?
I could all day, especially on PVE, not the point.
How does that make a TOS violating base not a TOS violating base?
Do you know anyone that is actually doing this? If there was do you not think zendesk wouldn’t know it? None the less people wouldn’t be getting banned if they didn’t violate the TOS. Not getting caught does not make something less illegal.
Sounds like some one is desperate to do some witness tampering. 
eh. Knowing a large sprawling base with paths and stairs leading all over, with enough lights to drop your FPS to nauseating levels, is a prime example of multiple TOS violations, does not make it any easier to report. I just don’t want to 
on some ones 
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Like I’ve said i don’t want to be funcoms beat cop. I want to be Judge Deacon.
“You go a week to reduce this compounds foot print before I give you a time out”. more then you’d get from funcom.
I was implying that by admins having to police rules that they would have to sort it out which is what they currently do every time a report is made. Not that they really do anything to improve the current system.
No in game solutions that I suggested would actually create less admin work as they wouldn’t have to deal with the reports.
If we go back to your original example here. If someone was prevented from wearing the wrong shoes then their feet wouldn’t hurt in the first place.
You are the one pushing against something that would affect yourself. I merely offered a solution that would be better for all, it’s not just about me as you put it.
So your problems have no solutions whereas mine do. Ok
What are these problems?
Well your solution would be to ban them rather than give them the option to move. Yep that’s not going to cause problems for many players is it?.
And so are you! Just because you weren’t suspended/banned for fence stacking doesn’t mean you too weren’t in-between. It was known for a long time before Funcom cracked down on this that it was not legit and also caused lag problems.
Deliberately would imply that @TINK would have known she was breaking the rules. Whereas she said that she thought that it was just PvP. This is a big difference and yes the end result is the same.
This is not opposing the rules it just makes sure that they are followed. I say this because you imply you that I am against the rules or it’s all about me. Whereas this just supports the existing rules by preventing them from being broken.
One difference would be that tactical building is available to everyone (if you don’t consider the rules) and one shot maces are not. Using the maces, although this gives an unfair advantage is not against the rules whereas tactical building is against the rules.
That’s a big gamble. If you try that on official you should fully expect to get caught out. Many have already found that out the hard way and lost accounts.
who is right?
Really? The quote you showed says otherwise.
‘Massive constructions or’ this clearly says that Massive constructions or other elements are not allowed. It doesn’t say that ‘Massive constructions that are memory intensive leading to loss of server performance both on client and server side’ i.e. massive constructions are not allowed.This is a good example of how players could misinterpret the rules and that a build limit would prevent this from happening.
Also this is a very bad rule. Notice that it says client side. Therefore someone running the game on a calculator could get you banned for loss of performance.
So basically you are trying to drown out and discredit anyone’s opinions and ideas that differ from your own. You have tried to make out that my ideas are all about me when they are not and you have tried to discredit peoples opinions by saying that they got caught out by the rules so what they say must be wrong.