Just curious - as the topic states, why go to so much effort to raise the difficulty of the game world (a great thing IMO) - but then have player thralls able to nullify that difficulty? The ease at which a 7k hp fighter thrall will melt most other thralls/creatures/bosses in the game is a bit ridiculous. Is this going to get looked at at some point? Things like frost giants, mammoths etc get absolutely pwned by these thralls where fighting them solo is a lot more challenging (and i dont mean difficult, but if youāre not properly fighting/dodging youāll get cleaned up pretty quickly).
Thralls/pets work good as just a distraction even when weaker, but the sheer amount of attack power fighter humanoid thralls have in particular seems a bit whack. I guess the only consoliation is theyāre very lacking when it comes to being able to command them (ie a lack of attack command at minimum) but still, when you look at overall game balance, it seems pretty out of whack here.
iād personally like to see a decrease in thrall strength to the level they are in the wildā¦ but make them smarter; try to dodgeā¦ perhaps even retreat to heal when damaged (using consumables)ā¦ and allow multiple of them to follow us (like 5 or 6 max) also a set of fighting commands to control them to some extent would be of great use (passive, aggressive, attack select target, incapacitate target, ect). in my mind wild creatures should be a challenge for the lone player, bosses should be costly to fight with NPCs and āsuicidal light infantryā (T1-2 thralls) should serve as a meatshield for your T3 and 4s
They definitely should shift the power balance between player and thrall strength. Right now players can defeat thralls because we can use cheese mechanics, stun-lock, abuse animations, etc. Not usually because are just stronger.
I would love to see them allow parties of thralls/pets, and much more control over their actions, assigning roles, etc. But letās all be honest. That is dreaming wayyyyyyy beyond any ability theyāve given us reason to expect.
All content in the game is absolutely doāable without a thrall. The only difference is you need to actually fight rather than just stand back and let the thrall faceroll it. I myself play solo often and have little trouble - but things that require effort are easier just left to thralls. This has nothing to do with affecting the solo/co-op experience and besides, if youāre playing co-op you have control over your own world - if its too dfifficult you can adjust it to your own needs.
This is like proclaiming that difficult games are not intended for solo players, wich is just blatantly not true, considering the success of hard games like Darksouls and Sekiro.
There is no mechanic in this game that requires more then one player.
Every content is soloable, even without thralls. They make it easier, but are not mandatory in any way.
Playing solo is no casual walk through, but that was never intended anyways.
The game is hard in some aspects, and that is good.
Iām a Solo player. I got into Conan Exiles accepting that I may not be able to enjoy 100 % of the content because itās too hard for me alone. Not because the content is intended for groups, but because Iām just not a very skilled player. Some bosses are simply beyond my skill level.
I donāt blame Funcom for this. Some games are easy, others are hard. I can enjoy most of Conan Exiles content on my own perfectly well, sometimes accompanied by one of the Artificial Idiots. The rest of the game, wellā¦ if I really wanted, I guess I could practice more and learn how to solo the Midnight Grove end boss with stone daggers and loincloth. But I can accept the fact that currently, Iām not skilled enough to do that, and I donāt have the time or motivation to get that much better.
I know that was probably not an entirely serious remark, but you donāt have to go for the āsolo bosses with stonedaggers and lionclothā to experience the entire game.
Also using Thralls to assist you is a completely viable game mechanic, albeit it makes some aspects far to easy, after you have properly outfitted your thralls that is. Wich in itself is a feat you have to achieve.
Soloing bosses is not fun. And I did it with many bosses for 1 timeā¦ But 20-30mins compared to max 2mins on some bossesā¦ No thx. And how much more regen-stuff you need. If the bloodlife spear would still be as good as before they nerf.
And its not like that the bosses have better mechanics or sth, they just have more healthā¦ woow. The challengeā¦
Tip for you: If you find it to easy with a T4 fighter thrall - > dont use one. Dont cry for nerfs overallā¦
Also frost-giants hard? Because of frostbite or? Use the cold protetction shield and that isnt a problem at allā¦ I face tank them alone.
I didnāt interpret that as saying Frosties or mammoths etc. are hard, just that you need to be at least somewhat awake while fighting them because the damage they do can accumulate quickly. Most NPCs have predictable, slowish attack patterns, so dodging them isnāt difficult unless youāre drunk or something.
The OPās point is that if you have a thrall, you donāt really need to fight them at all, because a thrall will kill them so quickly you barely have any time to contribute.
I do agree with you that going solo against bosses gets tedious because the combat mechanics are so limited, the only variables are the bossās hitpoints and how much damage it does if you fail a dodge. A thrall doesnāt really make already easy things easier, just faster.
Alone the fight against Impisiā¦ You can only attack him, when he howls. Wow. What a āchallengedā fight when you make it aloneā¦
Its not challenging if you are only able to hit him, while he howls otherwise you are minced meat, because he attacks faster than Usain Boltā¦
Or the other āwayā is using double jump or lure the boss in a stucked position and then shoot >100 arrows at itā¦
Yeah, so āproā that fight, because no thrall was usedā¦ smh
And if some people really need that āchallengeā, then I have nothing against it. Just dont use a thrall or a weaker one.
But if you FARM bosses (making it way more often than 1 time), you dont want to waste 30mins at a boss.
Ok - Farming Bosses I think is the only reason that speaks for the overpowered T4 thrall.
Otherwise, exactly this topic has already been dealt with in great detail in:
Here also the solution was pointed out, which would meet all playstyles, if the Devs implement it, which I really hope very much.
The suggestion for this solution was already pointed out on this topic from March 2019.
The Devs definitely know about this suggestion.
Really - The solution is obvious!
IMO they didnāt implemented it till now because they are working on AI Improvements and a Thrall Overhaul.
While i agree for the most here, i think itās also difficult to make it right for all players and communities.
It would need much more different settings and possibilities for different game-plays than now. A high health thrall like now can be a life-saver and real help for a lonely player, but is OP when it comes to bigger clan and groups.
Sure we can alter settings for the different style, but still not enough, and to much are linked.
A setting to deliminate how much health and power a thrall get when tamed could help here. So player could chose having thralls like āin the wildā, or hight stats thralls like now, and of course, all states between that.
If you think thralls are too strong, donāt use them. If you want to be a badass and solo everything, fine. But some of us like thralls the way they are.
Maybe if we had more attribute points we can become equals with the thralls. Just a suggestion. There is no denying that the thralls are way stronger than the players.
When I hear a statement like this, I figure it must be a PvP thing (I play PvE), because I just donāt get why having thralls be better than players is a bad thing. I played like 4k hours in ARK, it was always that way (tames in that case).
Like others say, if you donāt want easy mode (not saying I think having one thrall is easy mode), donāt bring any thralls with you. I love easy mode, so I play with a mod that lets be bring three thralls with me. That is about my speed.
I actually didnāt start playing Conan until a few months ago, because some of the trailers I saw down played the importance of tames and thralls and I thought the game would mostly be the player against everything. I wouldnāt be interested in a game like that, so hadnāt tried this game before a few months ago.
Half the fun in this game is collecting an awesome selection of thralls to protect the base and go and kill bosses with. If they were nerfed to become basically no better than another player, then that would remove half the fun of the game for me.
Itās not a PvP thing. I donāt want thralls nerfed (I play pvp), I want smarter AI. Then they wouldnāt require the dummy buffer of bonus health they possess currently. Thralls suck at base defense.
Still donāt get how this is not a PvP thing. In PvE, the only thing that thralls have to defend a base from is a purge (unless you have some griefer on your server). How well they defend is mostly how well you as the player place them in strategic locations where they can kill the attacking purge. Iām almost always online for a purge, since the purge meter does not go up when you are offline. So the thralls basically are just there to help me with any purge when Iām online and attacked.
So for the PvE I play, thralls are not really important for base defense. I use them almost exclusively for helping knock out other thralls and fighting bosses. I do have some tames to help kill purges.
Ya, would be cool if the thralls were smarter, but mostly Iām there with them to keep an eye on them, so smarter is not my biggest priority.
If you as a PvP player want this change, why not just own up to it being a PvP thing? Then us PvE players can just ignore all the reasoning as to why this would be so great for āeveryoneā.
Iāve done most of old bosses with out thralls, AI just isnt good enough to really need them.
They are fairly strong, its mostly AI.
Its like Souls games (earlier ones anyway) Having a Summon/Thralls basiclly breaks AI.
As Archer, the thralls basiclly keeps argo while I bore myself to death firing bow over and over.
I just kinda stop taking them.
But then you have damage sponges like World bossesā¦ were I send 10 of them to there deaths as i watch, LOL.
IF AI was able switch targets more often, have more AOEās it be abit more fun with them around.
I think one of my fave fights is when Kings Scourge spawns 2. His little aoes, his rush. thrall or not its some fun stuff.
Something like Queen and Statuesā¦ boringā¦ with or without.
Dragonsā¦ fall abit short. There good. But They need few more moves.
Its like Old MH games, you can keep right distances and lure them into same attacks.
I like thralls were they are honestly, AI need more tweaks before we touch thralls. And if we do touch thrallsā¦ it better be new dancer outfits and workbench clothes changes 1st.
Ok - Farming Bosses I think is the only reason that speaks for the overpowered T4 thrall.